Talk:Unaccompanied minor

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Russia[edit]

I heard that unaccompanied minors need a special official Russian document to pass customs to leave Russia. Andries (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know (and as far as this website confirms), an unaccompanied minor will need to have his/her own passport, a visa (when the destination requires one), and a notarized statement from both parents confirming that they are OK with the child leaving the country unaccompanied. Please bear in mind, however, that I am no expert on this whatsoever.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 20, 2011; 14:59 (UTC)

Thanks, can this be added to the article? The notarized statement is an exceptional demand that I have not encountered for other countries. Andries (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd look for a somewhat more reliable source than what I've just found, but otherwise I don't see why not.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 20, 2011; 15:09 (UTC)

Is the notarized statement only necessary for Russian nationals? Andries (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the notarized statement is necessary only for Russian citizens. It's a big problem for half-families (divorce situations) in Russia. Often one side (father or mother) uses this statement to push or press another side in various divorce situations (child-support payments, alimony terms): by denying the signature under the statement one side can ruin another side foreign vacation, education, etc. I've encountered it then I worked in the tourism industry in Moscow (2005-2007). A lot of divorced mothers complained about their former husband's behavior, accusing them of paying less money for child-support payments as it should be (by falsification of the income amount) and of using child's vacation "veto" as an argument, especially if the trial about child custody (with whom child should stay?) is still on. The second problem is that this "veto" still very useful since there were a lot of stories about one rich side leaving Russia for good with child/children effectively becoming untouchable and safe from Russian justice, so the other side will never be able to see child/children. Here some English/Russian links: ^[1]^[2] But the procedure is similar in many other states: ^[3] ^[4] ^[5], Canadian authorities just recommend it: ^[6], but Holland insist on having that: ^[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by KOT-TOK (talk • contribs) 23:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC) KOT-TOK (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Significant updated needed[edit]

This article lacks important information and contains inaccurate definitions according to human rights and international standards. I am preparing a significant update to this that will most of the content of this page, add a lot of human rights background information, and improve the accuracy in some places. Please preview this in my sandbox and let me know your comments.Hipersons (talk) 17:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why it is prohibited to write about false unaccompanied minors who are really adults searching easy asylum acceptance in EU?[edit]

I have made an edit 22:11, 7 August 2017‎ about the awful percentage of asylum seekers who pretend to be underage (i.e. unaccompanied minors refugees). The edit was deleted quite fast 23:46, 7 August 2017‎ by User:Dmol. What is the reason for the censorship? Is it so "hot" subject that the political correctness forbids even publish the facts and statistic about the stupid situation happening right now in many EU countries? KOT-TOK (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My revert was explained in the edit summary but I’ll go in to more detail here. The main problem is your non-neutral point of view which is plainly evident. Terms like "so-called" and "political correctness" betray a bias on the part of the editor. This article is about unaccompanied minors, not refugees or asylum seekers. Your edit is undue weight on what is a passing reference to the article. At best a single line could be added with links to a refugee article. Your talk page comments claim "censorship" when no such thing happened.--Dmol (talk) 02:03, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the text, so there is no terms like "so-called" and "political correctness" there. If the edit will be deleted then it will betray somebodies bias on keeping the non-neutral point of view on a real problem of false minors. KOT-TOK (talk) 22:19, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal[edit]

If there are no objections, I am going to split this article into Unaccompanied minor (passenger) and Unaccompanied minor (migrant). These are clearly distinct concepts with very different relevant content. See WP:CONSPLIT--Carwil (talk) 05:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. The two topics are very different in legal, political, and social, aspects.--Dmol (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fake minors[edit]

"In Germany, 43% of migrants in the unaccompanied minors category are older than 18 as sampled in November 2017." must be moved. These 43% are young adults receiving after-care and youth support as described under topic "After-care and youth support". (young adults are populating the same category in German statistics as the unaccompanied minors do. Some critical journalists are sometimes writing unprecisely so that misunderstandings can occure.) These 43% are not at all "fake minors".--5glogger (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Violent crimes[edit]

The relevance of this section is questionable, as it gives one incident yet doens't say anything about a greater trend. I will wait a while to see if someone beefs it up before deleting it. Hipersons (talk) 10:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go ahead and delete it. 38.42.46.6 (talk) 07:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://nordwindairlines.ru/en/families-and-children

[2] ttp://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/education_pedagogy/4329727-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%83.html

[3] ttp://www.childtravelconsent.com/

[4] ttp://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Countryspecific-travelregulations-children

[5] ttps://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-children/694565-documentation-intl-travel-minor-child-who-s-not-my-own.html

[6] ttps://travel.gc.ca/travelling/children/faq

[7] ttps://www.government.nl/documents/forms/2014/02/06/consent-letter-for-minors-travelling-abroad

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