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On Friday, June 3, 2005 at 5 pm is the day the music died at WCBS FM.
Infinity Radio has decided to play a broader mix of current music while dropping all oldies, DJs and newscasters.
- 1 CBS-FM Logos
- 2 Surveys
- 3 Pull Yourselves Together!
- 4 Who is Jack?
- 5 Way to Much Jack
- 6 Unsourced assertion of explicative by Mayor Bloomberg
- 7 Toronto station as replacement for WCBS
- 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Nycjacklogo.gif
- 9 We hate "jack" / On the welcome return to oldies
- 10 Oh my! What a mess!
- 11 Um, what spam?
- 12 WCBS-FM-HD2
- 13 on air
- 14 Classic Hits?
I think it was wrong for Hammersoft to take down the CBS FM logo history without discussion or Conscientiousness. They are deleted now. I kind of understand his or her reasoning . Still i would have liked to have an opportunity to try to email the station to see if it was possible to get some kind of official approval to use them before they were taken down. DLA75 (talk) 06:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the annual survey: Dom (see History) insists that "Earth Angel" was number one one year early on, but cites no source. I've left it as is, but I'd appreciate a citation one way or another beyond the one I've already provided saying "In The Still Of The Night" was number one every time. (Granted, that cite may not be definitive. I'm not saying I'm sure my cite is right, just that I'd like to have more info.)
I've clarified in the article that while "Hey Jude" was number one, that was NOT a listener-voted survey. To further confuse matters, "Hey Jude" WAS voted number one by listeners on a survey on the newly revived station.
As long as I'm posting, I'll say that I wouldn't mind seeing more detail about special programming and such from the heyday.
Brettalan 04:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Pull Yourselves Together!
This article needs intense cleanup and NPOVing. "All oldies" have not been dropped (Wings' Live and Let Die, John Lennon's Imagine, and The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour have all been played within the past 18 hours). The DJ voice in between songs is not computer-generated (he sure sounds a lot like the guy who does Monk commercials for the USA Network). As much of a classic the old WCBS-FM was, and as much as I think Jack FM should have been a supplement station on another frequency instead of replacing the Oldies station, can we pull ourselves together and get this article into a more professional-looking format? GPHemsley→◊ 23:26, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. The recent additions to the article are POV and speculative in nature. Maybe they should just be removed if they can't be rewritten. Rhobite 00:06, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
I think that describing what happened in the way it was written was not a POV because this was a unique and significant event in the history of radio. When even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame comments on it, it is not simply the sour grapes of some older fans mourning. Cousin Brucie, in an interview with the New York Daily News today, put it best, it was like "replacing Yankee Stadium with a fruit stand". Sure, the day may come to replace Yankee Stadium, but you do it with respect given the historical and cultural significance. This is likely the first time in radio that a station of historical significance had such a drastic change with no warning whatsoever; when WABC-AM went talk a couple of decades ago or even the end of WNEW-AM (or it's nationally-known progressive rock FM sister station) for that matter, it was known in the news for some time, which was the respect that WCBS-FM deserved.
In fact, the station was not planning to play the Beatles orignially, but has in that sense ceded to the protests of even those who were not fans of the station; I think the letter on the CBS-FM website on June 4 from the VP noting that many of CBS's "newer oldies" are the emphasis of the Jack station are proof of this and thus from a historical perspective of the situation this makes the copy noteworthy in this article.
And while this may be a POV thing to take out of the article (as I think someone did), Jack FM as part of this respect should not be making comments between songs like "CBS FM? Yeah, don't you wish, this is the new Jack FM", which has also generated controversy.
I am very against POV edits, but I feel in this case it is just historically describing the shock many felt and why and the reaction to it all.hairymon
Who is Jack?
I stated earlier that the pre-recorded voice sounds a lot like the guy who does the Monk commercials. The article was recently edited to say it was the same guy who does the GEICO commercials. Which is it? Is it both? Can we dig up other works that this guy did? How about his real name? GPHemsley→◊ 17:55, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
I think they are one and the same. Someone in a New York radio forum of some sort told me that it is the guy who does the GEICO commercials and listening to both I am almost certain he/she is right. Now that you mention it, the same goes for the Monk commercials.hairymon
Way to Much Jack
There is no reason why the less then one year of Jack should have a larger section then the 33 years of oldies. While this controversy has to be mentioned this is way to detailed. Mention what happened, the controversy it caused ,and why the controversy happened, the ratings drop, HD and possibly WABC’s introduction of a Saturday Night Oldies program then leave it be. 22:06, 14 March 2006 (Ed Kollin)
Here's my two cents. With CBS going around blowing up these heritage oldies stations that are practically institutions, I think of CBS as REALLY standing for Complete BullS**t. That's my thought of all the hiJACKings.
Unsourced assertion of explicative by Mayor Bloomberg
Where is the cite for the Bloomberg explicative? I'm tempted to remove it. Dogru144 03:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Toronto station as replacement for WCBS
The desperate /despondent can tune into 740 AM at night. This Toronto, Ontario, Canada station plays nice oldies, but sans the 70s, 80s rock 'n roll. Check it out. Dogru144 03:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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Good riddance, jack.
WCBS-FM in its oldies format was a favorite of everyone. It appealed to tastes of people young and old, black and white. We can't wait for the station's return to classic pop and real, human announcers, instead of "jack's" human-less automated format. Dogru144 13:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I know is is not 1:01 PM EST 7/12/07 yet but I just could no wait to un Jack this page. I got the NEW cbs fm logo from WCBS FM.com I had to clean out the pictures behind parts of the original image an create a new white backroud in photoshop useing the same shade as on WCBS FM.com The Jack logo i moved the the part of the page about jack. DLA75 19:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh my! What a mess!
This article is pretty long and sloppy. Of course, there will be a ton of activity here in the next few days or so since the station just changed its format. Not sure exactly what else can be added. If anything, perhaps the people who just have to add something to this article could help by doing a little cleanup, particularly toward the end (Jack, return to oldies, etc.). I cleaned up the lead paragraphs, since someone had put an advertising tag on it. I hope it meets with everyone's approval.--Fightingirish 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I got bold and rewrote all the stuff prior to Jack (which I'll practically need a weed whacker for). I eliminated much of the repetitive and unnecessary stuff, paring it down considerably (I realize the length of this article was not sitting well with many people). Hopefully, this will cover everything relevant to the station and also be a better quality read. As for the Jack section, as I've been saying, this looks terrible. It does not need all of this 'information' (and much of it is POV with tons of weasel words and irrelevant information). I realize that with all of the changes CBS-FM's been through during the past two years, everybody feels they're justified in adding their own piles of crap to the article, but it does a major disservice to the article in general. This could all be said with much fewer words, and be much more effective.--Fightingirish 07:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Um, what spam?
The section on the change to Jack format alleges Wikipedia spam, but there are NO external links in that section at all. How did that happen? CarlFink 04:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- There's way too much irrelevant information that, for some reason, people see the need to clutter this article up with. I tried to clean it up, and got it down to what I thought was a straight-to-the-point approach. Unfortunately, people just added all the crap back in. This article in its current state absolutely sucks, and I think the appropriate punishment for all the people who have stuffed it with so much irrelevant garbage is to be forced to actually read this thing. --Fightingirish 05:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Let me please keep the on air line up even if you take down the rest of my changes can the jack aricle be edited and shortend so my stuff can stay. I took down the Jack rateings since Jack is gone DLA75 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- The on-air lineup is directory-type stuff. However, it could be put in paragraph form. The on-air roster is unnecessary, since that type of stuff can easily be found on the station's website. Why repeat information, especially when it just leads to clutter on the article page?--Fightingirish 14:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
It is wrong to call New York's 101.1 WCBS-FM's HD2 "WCBS-HD2" Since WCBS is a AM station at at 880 and calling it WCBS-HD2 makes it sound like the HD2 belongs to WCBS 880 and not WCBS-FM 101.1. It I thik it should be called WCBS-FM-HD2 as Jack FM Identifies it’s self at the top of every hour. DLA75 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I think in was good to have the times when the each DJ is on. WCBS FM has not posted them on their web site WCBSFM.com yet. I would recomed that you put the times back in. DLA75
I would not call CBS FM a true classic hits station it is more of a oldies/classic hits hybrid a true Classic hits station would sound more like Q104.3 without some of the harder cuts such as Black Sabbath and AC/DC with acts such Seals and Crofts,Jim Croce, America and the Hollies in their place. It would have little if any Motown,Soul and 60's and 70's pop and bubblegum rock hits. Though some songs the new CBS FM plays may songs that are best decribed as classic hits they still play many songs that are better describes as oldies then classic hits and clasic hits stations like Easten PA's 99.9 The Hawk would never play. CBS only calls it classic hits because the term oldies has become tabu in radio circles. DLA75