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First Capital

I added a paragraph early on describing York's claim to be the first capital. Whether or not one believes, it should be considered the first capital of the US, the idea is very ingrained in the community and deserves to be explored in the wiki article. I put in links to proper places, and I think it fits in well in the history section. It could possibly deserve its own section, perhaps "York's claim to be the first capital" or something. TimBilly1224 01:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC) This information states alot of things having to do with ( York ). Some people claimed to know more about York, and i believe them. Some of my ideas are put together into sections that some poeple might not understand. Well im sorry for that.[reply]

The statement is made in this article that historians consider York the fourth capital coming just behind Lancaster, Pa. The Continental Congress stayed in Lancaster to rest for a single day, then moved on to Columbia (where they stayed for several days) before crossing the Susquehanna enroute to York. Noted local historian (late) J.W.W.Loose (long time President of the Lancaster County Historical Society) maintained that consideration was given to making Columbia a permanent site until the end of hostilities but, it was decided to move on to York when it became obvious to military leaders that the Susquehanna provided a natural barrier against advancing British forces. I doubt that knowledgeable historians would consider Lancaster a "capital" and not even consider Columbia in the same light. DEF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.107.49 (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Street Rods

I added something about the Street Rod festival. Anyone who's been in York on that weekend in June knows that shuld be included. Does anyone have a picture of the parade downtown to add to the reference? TimBilly1224 01:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Residents

We have a somewhat eclectic mix of notable residents listed in the article; a more complete version is in Category:People from York, Pennsylvania as linked. Does anyone want to take a look at who should be included and who should not, to see if the York, Pennsylvania article needs a more comprehensive listing? (Ardievu 18:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]

On this subject... I might remove the "Notable Residents" section totally and just keep a link somewhere on the page to this Category:People from York, Pennsylvania. I dont personally think it adds anything to the article being there, plus "Notable Residents" is a mis-representation, as 2 of the people listed are dead, and the band Live now lives elsewhere... If I remove the section I will place the link somewhere nicer, unless someone has a reason for it to stay.--Azslande 22:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with removing this, but why not link it to List of people from York, Pennsylvania (although that needs a lot of work)? Ruhrfisch 22:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean linking the category at the bottom of the page which is what I did. If you are talking about something else let me know and I will see what I can do.--Azslande 23:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh I see what you are saying. There is a category at the bottom of the page that has pretty much the same information in it. Do you think that the page you linked and the category should be combined into a single page, that way there isent two list of people from or close to York floating around Wikipedia.--Azslande 23:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The category is automatically generated by putting the Category:People from York, Pennsylvania tag on an article, but it can't be edited. The article List of people from York, Pennsylvania can be edited (so it could have the names wikilinked and a brief description, birth and death years, etc. after each name). Strictly speaking, the York, Pennsylvania article should not be in the catergory (since it is not a person). Instead there should be a wikilink to the List of... article in the York, PA article. I will try to do this next. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch 00:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me, I have been editing Wikipedia for a while but I have never really gotten deeply into it, and its always nice to learn how things work. York is my hometown and I am really looking to improve the article over all, and its nice to have people with ideas and help along the way.--Azslande 01:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First Capital/Firetrucks

I think its worth noting that York, Pennsylvania still list itself as the first capital of the United States. Its everywhere in the city, infact, its on the symbols on York City firetrucks. I can obtain a picture if you like, I see firetrucks quite often, its plastered all over them "First Capital of the United States". I think more information about the "First Capital" debate should be listed. I know that York City schools still teach that York was the first Capital, but other schools outside dont.--Azslande 20:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC) (Born, Raised, & Live in, York, Pa)[reply]

York Race Riots of 1969

I'd like to see a section of this page, or an entire new page that covers the York Race Riots of 1969. There is a link from this page to another site, but I have to judge the neutrality of that page. I don't really know anything about the race riots other than the current events with the former mayor of York, but I would imagine that this is an imporant part in the history of the city.

After looking over this for a while, and thinking about it, I agree, and I might start working on a section for the 69 race riots... While I was not born yet, I will try and find any information about it and do a nice section... USA Today did a big article on it some time ago that should help a lot.--Azslande 03:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree. How can there be an article about York without mentioning the York race riots of 1969? There should be a LOT devoted to that. If you don't start working on it, then maybe I will. That's a glaring omission in this article; the reader would think (as I did) that the writer(s) was trying to tip-toe around the subject because he's embarrassed about this having happened in his hometown. This isn't supposed to be a public relations piece; it's supposed to be written in the impartial style of an encyclopedia. The absence of a large reference to the '69 race riots in this article is more noticable to the reader(s) than what is in the article. Or........ maybe the York race riots should have an article of its own. Any opinions on that idea? Duprees62 04:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please, if someone could contribute that this would be great. My mother grew up in York and remembers the race riots quite vividly. I was kind of surprised not to see any mention of that here.4.79.244.196 20:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)Photis[reply]

Media

The paragraph in the Media section pertaining to The Bluebird Songs is not of general interest pertaining to York, PA and should be deleted. 68.63.151.173 23:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and done. --Adavidb 03:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Improving Article

Well... I am looking to improve this article as much as I can, maybe find sources and things like that. I would like to possibly reorganize the page, possibly reword some of the sections to make it read smoother and nicer over all. My big question is... Is there a set of guidelines or a guide for wikifing a page for a city, such as this one. If there is a guide for it, or rules, or anything like that, could someone please point me in that direction. Also I was thinking of making this into some type of project incase others would like to help, could someone also point me in that direction as well. Any comments or suggestions would always be very welcomed.--Azslande 01:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities and Wikipedia:WikiProject Pennsylvania. I would also look at WP:FA for guidlelines on how to improve articles and look at the featured articles on cities there for ideas. I put a welcome on your talk page which has more useful information. You could also submit the article to peer review for suggestions on improvement. Hope this helps. Ruhrfisch 01:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS I made the changes in the York article and List of people from York article.

Thanks for the help, and also, thanks for taking care of that article.--Azslande 01:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We could probably use some notable residents... both in reality and in wiki-land. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.202.92.108 (talk) 04:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I recently made some additions to the article. I think the following changes would be useful: 1) "History" I have not done this yet but it needs a major overhaul. For example, the history of the city in the 20th Century makes no mention of the myriad of changes that occurred due to depopulation. The loss of York's minor league baseball team, the ending of train/trolley service, the closing of shops in downtown, etc. I added some items under the heading of "21st Century" but this also needs work and I am not sure it is really noteworthy enough to be in the history section. I think what is important for the 21st Century is the Robertson trial, the community revitalization efforts, and the election of the city's first African American mayor. Some of these items could be re-located in a brief "York in Popular Culture" item at the end of the article. Items that could be included in this section would include the band Live & song "Shittown", the NPR news story & Michelle Norris project, Michael Grisham's reference of the town as the birthplace of the main character in the "The Associate", etc.

2) "Industry" This section should be retitled "Economy" Ideally, this section would try to convey a broader sense of the city's economy rather than just "Company X is here" & "Company Y does this in York"

3) "Culture" Most of the materials in here I would not personally include in "Culture". For example, no one who is investigating the city of York really cares about who played at York Fair since 1997. More should be made about the culture of the people of York. This can be done by talking in broader terms about the history of the York fair and its importance to the community. It can be done by mentioning local traditions, such as eating faschnachts on Fat Tuesday, the annual War of the Roses, First Night York, etc. A museum subheading may be useful to highlight the city's many interesting museums. This may also be the appropriate place to discuss the city's unique architectural heritage & the role of the YCHT.

The map of PA is misaligned

The PA locator map doesn't show the whole state--OK, maybe it doesn't have to, though I think it should--but then, when you click on it to enlarge it, the spot where York is is cropped off the map. That should be fixed--you should be able to see York on the map of PA on the York page when you click on the map of PA. I would fix it myself but I'm inexperienced and I don't know how to edit maps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.98.202 (talk) 01:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean the map in the infobox at top right - when you click on it is it this file: Image:Pennsylvania Locator Map with US.PNG? It shows up fine on my computer. Can you provide any more infomation please? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, that's the map I mean. OK, when you look at the page, the map shows the state of PA with a little red dot for York. When you click on the map to get a closer look, the dot is gone. I may have been mistaken before, and thought that the relevant area of the state was cropped out of the map on the closer view, as now that I look again, I see that the entire state is in fact shown. It's just the dot for York that is not shown on the close-up view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.251.70.93 (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The red dot feature is provided by the Infobox Settlement template's "pushpin map" function, which overlays a particular state map image with a dot at the latitude and longitude coordinates of the city. The dot doesn't appear when the state map is viewed by itself because the city coordinates are no longer available at that point, since the template no longer controls what is displayed.—Adavidb 04:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, three years later, and still no section on the riots...

Ya know, articles on Wikipedia are not meant to be public relations pieces. The York riots of 1969 are a significant part of York, Pennsylvania history, whether or not people want to remember them or not. There's nothing about the riots on the York official website, but that would be expected. It was brought up right on this page THREE YEARS AGO that there should be mention of the riots. One guy seemed pretty gung ho about doing research on it. Lots of talk about it, but nothing in the article about the riots three years later. Whatever happened to THAT idea? Strange. Anyway, there should be a section on the riots; without it, the history of York, Pennsylvania is ridiculously incomplete.DavidAllanCoe (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Was York referred to as Little York in the 18th Century?

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Now a humid subtropical climate

As of 2016 Koppen update maps, plus it shows in the current data chart. B137 (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of the "Former York Naval Ordnance Plant" Program Site

I believe this is notable as the site is first in the U.S. to volunteer and enroll in the EPA's One Cleanup Program which also is missing a page. I found the publicly available reports and documentation on this subject at this site I think the page is FOIA stuff. Let me know if this should go elsewhere Darwulf (talk) 22:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with mentioning the site's (former) existence, and its cleanup, but since this source material, with the exception of the newspaper articles, is all considered "primary", I don't think we should go into more detail based on it. —ADavidB 12:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The site appears to be in Springettsbury Township part of the county, rather than York itself, so that article may be a better place for info on the YNOP. —ADavidB 13:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adavidb Makes sense. Here's an idea, we could keep this to a mention of the YNOP in the 20th/21st century sections in either or both articles, and have the cleanup itself more elaborated on in the non-existent "One cleanup program" article, as well as maybe a short reference in the Harley-Davidson article under the environmental section. Kind of surprised that the EPA page had no mention of the program at all, fixed that myself. I'm digging around a bit more, and apparently there was an award given out in 2013 in relation to this. Link here. Side question, is summary information off of the EPA site considered a primary, or secondary source? Example Darwulf (talk) 23:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your idea sounds good to me. The EPA summaries would still be primary sources, and secondary ones would be better, though if it's clear in the article text that they are the EPA's own descriptions, such sources can be used, though I would suggest minimally. —ADavidB 00:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]