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Any reason why this template uses a brown-orange color? The official team colors include a much brighter orange, as to other Tiger templates.SixFourThree (talk) 17:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
I contend this section of the template is WP:Original Research. What criteria was used to select the players? Why was Al Kaline determined to be "important"? What about Kirk Gibson? Why was he chosen instead of Placido Polanco? Unless there is a criteria that is used to add players, then it is OR. I agree that it's on all the MLB team templates, but it's OR on all of them and should be removed. – X96lee15 (talk) 02:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Selection is hardly "research", the important figures section just allows users to easily link to players and other figures of interest from the team template page. That said, I'm not sure that there can be any doubt about Al Kaline being an important figure in Tiger history. As a Hall of Famer who spent his entire career as a Tiger, how can he not be? The criteria I used were Hall of Famers who spent most of their careers with the Tigers, other long time all-stars (admittedly I used some judgement for pre-All Star game players, such as Donie Bush), and major contributors to Tiger championships. One can certainly take issue with some of the players here (and that can be decided through consensus) but I don't see any reasonable basis to consider Hall of Famers and near-Hall of Famers (e.g., Trammell, Morris) who spent a large portion of their careers with the Tigers other than important figures in Tiger history.Rlendog (talk) 02:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I never said Kaline should not be included in a list of "important" figures. I just want to know what criteria was used. The process you admittedly used to select the players to be included is OR if I've ever seen it. Having a consensus to determine which players to use is also OR. It doesn't matter if it's one person deciding or a group of people deciding. There is not a source (or at least one has not been provided) that says what an "important figure related to the Detroit Tigers" is. — X96lee15 (talk) 03:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I wrote up a thing trying to create standard criteria for these navboxes at the category talkpage. If you all can, please help build some consensus there. Then, the criteria can be attached to each navbox so we don't get the constant add-every-member-of-the-roster-as-"Important" tug o'war that happens with many of these boxes. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 18:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I replied on the the category talkpage since this is obviously a more general issue. But even for the case at hand, I think some objectively verifiable criteria could be developed that pretty much any knowledgeable person would agree would make a figure "important" to a team. The criteria I am suggesting below would be more strict than what is currently on the Tigers template in most cases, but a few additional figures would be introduced (e.g., Hooks Dauss, Mayo Smith):
Hall of Famer who spent the majority of his career with the team
Figure associated with the team in some capacity for at least 15 years
3-time (or more) all-star with the team
Team leader in a major pitching or hitting category
Major award winner (MVP, ROY, Cy Young, Manager of the Year, WS MVP)