User talk:CatherineWest

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Hello, CatherineWest, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Userboxes

"commercial" is not a valid reason for speedy deletion. Please see Criteria for speedy deletion. You could nominate these templates at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion, but I would strongly advise you not to, as it will likely have no effect and lead to more animosity over userboxes. the wub "?!" 00:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise, I've reverted your change to Template:User marriage man-woman; please use standard channels for discussions (given by the wub above) regarding deletion of userboxes and templates instead of simply nominating them. Warrens 00:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The speedy deletion list explicitly mentions divisive items can be speedy deleted. CatherineWest 00:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but you aren't the sole declarator of what "divisive" is in the context of Wikipedia. Follow the well-established Wikipedia convention and start a conversation about the user boxes you have issue with at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates. Warrens 00:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, but you are getting onto extremely controversial and dangerous ground here, especially for a user as new as yourself. Wikipedians have been fighting bitterly over userboxes for a while now. It's probably better for you to not get involved in the mess we've made, after all there's a whole encyclopedia for you to edit. the wub "?!" 00:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, especially since you have flooded the TfD with template deletions. This isn't going to be pretty. Douglasr007 01:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The sheer amount of annoyance I'm feeling cannot be expressed into words. How is this template even "commercial"? Saying that a user uses Google is a statement of fact that in no way even reflects on the positive or negative attributes of Google in any way. Google isn't the one using the template, users who use Google are. As for "divisive," please show me one instance where users who use Google are indulging in some kind of turf war against those who use any other search engine. You get bonus points if you can show me an image with the members of both rival gangs wielding weapons of some kind. The result of the discussion for speedy deletion was already speedy keep, so it seems, at face value, that the only reason you're going through with this is to cause disruption. WP:POINT. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 02:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there were fifteen templates for different versions of gucci-apparel people wear while editing you would for sure agree it had a commercial side to it. If it is Microsoft, Pepsi and google you do not? Where are the limits? The only templates I marked as divisive were the ones about satanists and opposition to same-sex marriage. The acvise above was to go for a vote instead for a speedy deletion. CatherineWest 02:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not reinstate your "examples" on TfDs main page. Your mass of nominations is unhelpful as it is. I am considering speedy keeping the whole lot. You're evidently fully aware of what you are getting into, and you should take the excellent advice give you above that you get out of it. IF you carry on, you will find yourself in water of rapidly increasing temperature. Thanks. -Splash^talk 02:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is not you who decides what to vote on and what not. There is nothing wrong in providing some examples of what is to be voted about. CatherineWest 02:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me make myself clearer. Nobody is in any doubt about what is to be 'voted' on. Userboxes, it's pretty clear to all, I think. The astonishing number you have nominated is just crazy, listing them all on TfD is disruptive to the useful functioning of that page, and repeatedly reinstating them just splits the discussion in an entirely unhelpful way. I will not allow TfD to be disrupted wilfully with that list of userboxes you dislike. If you reinstate them again, I will block you. -Splash^talk 02:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The devisive templates are completely different from the others, and hiding them all in a subpage no one will look at is unfair. If you remove them again you break 3rr. CatherineWest 02:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are also at risk of breaking 3RR. You appear to understand the 3RR policy well enough. —Guan aco 02:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It so happens that, as an admin, I most certainly do have that right — and moving them to a subpage with a big bold link taking people there in no way restricts the freedom of the debate. If I see something or someone is disruptive, I have been equipped with the tools to see to it that it stops. Now, if you continue to nominate userboxes in general, it is very likely that some other admin, or even me, will block you for that. Crusades are not welcome. Know when to stop. -Splash^talk 03:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Templates for Deletion: User Coke Pepsi, User cocacola, User pepsi

Reason given: "Wikipedia is no place for commercials."

The reason is absurd!

Would you agree that all logos, in all aspects of any free project be removed, claiming it's "advertising?"
Coca-Cola and Pepsi did not pay to have these placed on Wikipedia. By definition (Dictionary.com), it is not a commercial!
Another definition from Dictionary.com says that a commercial "has profit as a chief aim." Common uses of userboxes "include user interests, user skills, technical information, Wikipedia activities, or mere fun." Exactly what these templates are.

If you would care to explain yourself at my talk page, that would be greatly appreciated. Regards, — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 03:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]