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Welcome to Wikipedia. I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes. cooldenny (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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I see you are adding links to many articles. You should read the guide to linking since it looks like you are adding links we would not normally use, such as linking Earth from Fresh water. Appropriate linking is one of the more difficult concepts to explain and understand, so don't feel picked upon. Thank you for your efforts! —EncMstr (talk) 02:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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I just wanted to say: Thank You for your attention to detail in the Gaia hypothesis article.  :) --Qgil (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I appreciate your astute corrections to the Forestry article (diff here). I looked back at the original blanking action by Anonymous that you say was unexplained. I think I know the reason after looking at the first of two edits by this vandal (diff here). His first replacement of content was with this sentence in poor English:

"Today i started a stupid english paper on a carear and my stupid teacher want let me plagerize."

The next edit was the blanking of the entire section. I think what happened is that some student, angry with his teacher for not letting him plagiarize the text from Wikipedia, decided to do so anyway, and then deleted the section in order to cover his tracks. At least you have to give him a star for ingenuity! Too bad for him that this trick does not get by the vigilant editors like yourself who are diligently watching for suspicious edits on Wikipedia. I guess this puts new meaning to the phrase, "memorize and destroy!" Let's hope other students in the same situation don't try this again. :-) It is not quite the use that was intended for Wikipedia. Thank goodness for the "History" pages, though. --Skol fir (talk) 23:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow! If you're right, I would definitely give him a star for ingenuity! But it could come back to haunt him now. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, plagiarism does come back to haunt many a politician or academic person, doesn't it? I can think of some recent examples, like the Dean of a University in this recent story from Alberta, Canada -- U. of Alberta dean faces plagiarism investigation. For the sake of the student who remains anonymous, I hope the essay was already marked. Otherwise, he may have to do the course again during the summer vacation. Serves him right! --Skol fir (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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You are blocked directly and must use {{unblock}} to appeal your block. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Looking into this, as this is a checkuser block. Courcelles 00:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
  • My sincere apologies for the block, it looks like you were collateral damage in my check. I have unblocked you, and given you an IP Block exemption for the time being. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 00:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
    • Good stuff, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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I reverted this edit to the Endeavour article, and thought I should explain why. I'm generally a supporter of wikilinks as they help readers find related topics of interest. But:

  • Some terms you wikilinked, like sun and Pacific, are common words which are understandable to virtually all readers without needing a specific link. The Manual of Style discourages links to common words as it can make the article hard to navigate.
  • A couple of other terms you linked, like "Transit of Venus" and "skiff" were already wikilinked higher up in the article. Again the Manual of Style discourages wikilinking terms multiple times on the same page.
  • Removal of the word "Royal" from an appearance of "Royal Society" - this improved readability but I'd argue that "Society" itself is not so clear in the context of the page; and
  • Expanding "powder magazine" to "gunpowder magazine" - I had no particularly strong view except that "powder magazine" is the more accepted term. However if you're keen on gunpowder being referred to instead please feel free to re-add.

Happy to discuss, and Happy New Year. Euryalus (talk) 01:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, it all sounds good except #3, there's only one Society being referred to in the article. Gob Lofa (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Your link to southern Iceland was redirected to Farthings of Iceland. I wp:piped it to the latter with [[Farthings of Iceland|southern Iceland]]. Try that next time. I saw the change to Katla and was hoping for interesting news! Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Cool, thanks Jim. I've been waiting on Katla myself for a while. Gob Lofa (talk) 03:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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I have partially reverted an edit you made to Mohammed Omar, as the referenced sources do not speak to the credibility of the military official's claims. Informed you here as a courtesy. 67.161.254.8 (talk) 05:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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February 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Gaarmyvet. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I edit a lot. Care to be more specific?

March 2014[edit]

Information icon Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Pope Gregory XI, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 21:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The reason was that the content was duplicated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gob Lofa (talkcontribs) 03:42, 2 March 2014‎

That is true, but you did not say so. You can't expect other editors to somehow guess the reasons why you make changes. See my message below about using edit summaries. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
The content was duplicated quite on purpose. The goal of the lede paragraph(s) is to summarize the body of the article. The lede should never have original information in it that is not also in the body. Elizium23 (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
The exact same sentence word for word, though? In the very next paragraph? Gob Lofa (talk) 03:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Blocked for disruptive editing? Where?

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See block message ... all these dab notices finally got to be too much. I'd add that this edit, even if it's not been reverted, may come under the Troubles ArbCom case. — Daniel Case (talk) 04:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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The block notice says "persistent disruptive editing, as documented on this page". That means that the reasons for the block are mentioned in the numerous messages which have been posted to you, and which you have ignored. I singled out the issue of linking to disambiguation pages, because that is the issue that is most commonly mentioned. However, if you look above you will see other issues. I will now mention just one other problem. There are several messages above asking you to use edit summaries, the earliest dating from 14 April 2011, and the most recent from 1 March 2014. It is really unhelpful to make edits with no attempt at all to explain to other editors what you are doing and why. When you edit a page, below the editing area there is a little box labelled "Edit summary (Briefly describe the changes you have made)". Please always type into that box a brief explanation of what you are doing. For example, in the Pope Gregory XI edit mentioned above, you could have written "removing duplication of statement already made", which would have made your purpose clear. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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When these appear, you should resolve them yourself, not wait for others to do so. You seem to be repeating your disruptive editing again. Are you trying for another block? I reverted your edits. Jim1138 (talk) 03:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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March 2014[edit]

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your continued use of DAB links creates work for others.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim, thanks for writing. I have to say that, having checked out your helpful link to Wikipedia:Vandalism, I'm not sure your and Wikipedia's definition coincide. I'm a bit more horrified that someone who makes this mistake is allowed to decide who gets blocked. I certainly wish I'd seen your notice, no matter its accuracy, before now. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps it's not strictly vandalism. Jim's choice of words was ill-advised. But it is certainly disruptive editing and he was well within his rights to issue you a warning template for your behavior. But, you ignored it, so enjoy the vacation time. Elizium23 (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
"Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page." - you're not being very strict there at all, are you? Gob Lofa (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Phil, I figured an edit as basic as simple linking didn't merit an edit summary that would take longer than the edit. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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That blows. I stopped reading those messages a long time ago as they were always from bots, a situation that changed only recently. I regret that now because I've missed non-bot messages about discussions that would have interested me, as well as making it look like I'm determined to ignore any criticism of my edits. If you feel the need to keep the block going all week, that's up to you, but does it really need to cover talk pages? Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Looking like a big yes. Thanks for staying in touch. Gob Lofa (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that you have just proven how determined you are to ignore criticism. By placing the {{bots}} template to deny DPL bot from notifying you about disambiguation links and by not addressing the reason you were blocked, you're not making a good case for your unblock or continued presence here on Wikipedia. You are not entitled to ignore messages simply because they come from bots operating here on Wikipedia. Bots operate on behalf of humans for very good reasons, mainly to reduce repetetive and arduous tasks. DPL bot was designed to reduce the load on other editors who have to clean up after people like you, by notifying you directly of your mistakes so you can fix them personally. By denying DPL bot, you're essentially giving the finger to the community and telling us that we will be cleaning up after you whether we like it or not. As a member of the community, I resent that message, and I support the admin's block wholeheartedly, because it seems that you are not getting the message here. Elizium23 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Strange as it may sound to you given the assumptions you've been making, I believed I was being offered an opt-out because the bot had undone my edits and no further action was necessary on my part. Thanks for (inadvertently) clearing that up. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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For what it's worth to you, if you had either posted a request for an unblock, or simply drawn my attention to this page by posting a link to my account, I would seen that you have now started to respond to messages, and I would have been happy to unblock you. However, as it is, I did not know about it. (My guess is that your remark "Looking like a big yes. Thanks for staying in touch" was supposed to be a sarcastic way of criticising me for not coming back to check. However, I make edits at a rate of roughly 1000 per month, not counting admin actions and deleted edits. I do not go back to check every one of them every day on the off chance that someone may have made a response to it.) I hope you are never blocked again, but if you are, and want to request a block, then use the method explained in the block notices above. Just posting a message here and hoping someone will see it and respond to it is very much a hit-and-miss method. Also, it may be helpful to know that if you post a message in which you link to another user's account, and sign the message with four tildes, the user will get a notification, so they can come here and see what you want. You can do this by posting a message which includes (for example) [[User:JamesBWatson]], and make sure you end the message with ~~~~. Alternatively, you can use {{Reply|JamesBWatson}}, which will show on the page as @JamesBWatson. The reason why I am here now is that the link to my username in the block notice just above this message caused me to get a notification.
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Thank you both. I feel like a Wikipedia-disruption-tornado in recovery. Trite as it sounds, I just don't know what came over me. With your help, I feel a brighter day is dawning. For my sake, and the sakes of my victims, please keep up the good work. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Not a sock puppet Gob Lofa (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Blocking checkuser says otherwise. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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Perhaps the blocking checkuser could tell us, a sockpuppet of whose? Gob Lofa (talk) 22:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
(Non-administrator observation) Those would be Heavy Knife (talk · contribs) and Pollo Negro (talk · contribs) according to the edits made by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk · contribs) as you were blocked. Elizium23 (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
No, the block statement reads "This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet". It's specifying this account, not those two. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
You understand that a sock puppet is an illegitimate alternate account, right? The two I mentioned were used by you to evade the block on the account of Gob Lofa (talk · contribs). Elizium23 (talk) 23:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I understand that perfectly. What I don't understand is why this account is being described as a sockpuppet account. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Not a sockpuppet (see above) Gob Lofa (talk) 12:29 pm, Today (UTC+1)

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So this is the master account rather than the sock account. So what? Yunshui  12:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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What am I missing? If you concede it's incorrect, why is it being described as a sockpuppet account in the blocking statement? I'm not happy that something that's untrue is the reason given for the block. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
The reason given in the logs for the (current) block is {{checkuserblock-account}}. Since it seems to upset you, I've also removed the template above which indicated that this account was a sockpuppet, instead of a sockpuppeteer. Happy now? Yunshui  13:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
It's not the fact of the template that upset me but what it said. What you've done is remove the false justification given for the block but left the block in place. The link you gave me to that template tells me "CheckUser evidence has determined that this user account has been or may be used abusively. It has been blocked permanently to prevent abuse." That's a little vague. What abuse? Gob Lofa (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
What abuse? Using sockpuppets.Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
I feel we're making progress now. Can this be confirmed by the blocking admin? Gob Lofa (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

We're being worked.Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim, this is Kafkaesque enough already. You need to be explicit. Gob Lofa (talk) 01:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Or not, it's up to you. It's quite possible the blocker is referring to my previous tendency to avoid edit summaries or create bad links. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Still a huge lack of clarity about reason for block and where to go from here. Reason for block has been removed but not replaced and block remains in place. Gob Lofa (talk) 09:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Block is for using sockpuppets to evade a previous block. This has now been explained several times. As you are now misusing the unblock template through spurious requests I am, with some reluctance, disabling talkpage access. Euryalus (talk) 11:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC) It hasn't been explained by the blocker until recently. An incorrect reason was given, then removed and not replaced. Others came and gave explanations but not the blocker and I had no notion of how accurate these explanations were, given the blocker's silence. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Gob Lofa. I'm the blocking admin/checkuser. I checked your account while you were blocked and noted that you were using another account to evade the block. I looked into this deeply and, as far as I could see, the two accounts were behaviourally and technically indistinguishable. This is as explicit as I'm going to be. You were given a chance to edit sensibly, but you were blocked to prevent disruption to the project. You created another account to evade that block, then, when that account was blocked, you created another account to do exactly the same thing. Evading blocks in this manner is simply not acceptable. I'm not happy to support an unblock unless you can convince the unblocking administrator that you will contribute constructively to Wikipedia. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 11:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello Chase, thanks for finally getting back to me. I must say, I'm a little horrified that you've now blocked this account from editing even this talk page. I can't decide if I'm more disgusted by that or your decision to do it at the same time you finally replied, a decision you make no reference to in your reply (I'm presuming you're the culprit for this extension of the block, no-one else has come forward). I'm uncertain why you simultaneously suggest convincing an unblocking administrator and compel me to edit here using an IP address. JamesBWatson writes about his block of me: "you have now started to respond to messages, and I would have been happy to unblock you. However, as it is, I did not know about it." Obviously, you disagree. I've been editing for years without problems. I wish you'd stop doing what you're doing. 86.45.61.107 (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC) I apologise for presuming you had also blocked me from editing here, I hadn't seen Euryalus' message at that point. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Anticipating your request, I have restored talkpage access so you can respond to Chase's comment above while actually logged in. With respect, the apparent wikilawyering over which account was a sockpuppet and which the sockmaster, didn't seem to advance your case. But again, feel free to log in again and respond to Chase directly.
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Yes, it was mentioned about the DPL bot and it's my intention to get on that if I'm permitted. About wikilawyering, first I got called a vandal. If I hadn't challenged that by referring to Wikipedia's definition of vandalism it would have stood and anyone coming to this page may have believed it. You may consider this Wikipedia:Wikilawyering, to me it's important that how I edit Wikipedia is not falsely portrayed. I wasn't disputing the use of sockpuppets, I was perplexed that the blocker seemed to believe that this account was a sockpuppet account of another, giving the impression that a sockpuppet account was being prevented from being used again rather than that I was being blocked for having used sockpuppets elsewhere. Chase was quite specific about this when it would have been just as easy to use clear language describing the reason for the block e.g. "this user has used sockpuppet accounts". Again, you may consider this wikilawyering. I'm just bemused at the lack of accuracy when blocking a user indefinitely after years of problem-free editing. Wikipedia:Sock puppetry says "If a person is found to be using a sock puppet, the sock puppet account(s) should be blocked indefinitely. The main account may be blocked at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator." The main account didn't have to be blocked. The original block, the reason I started sockpuppeteering, would have been lifted if the blocker knew all the facts, like he said above. I didn't attempt to influence votes or discussion by pretending more support than existed. It strikes me that my offences are very much at the lower end of the scale, yet I've been blocked indefinitely. What gives? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Where do I go from here? Gob Lofa (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Anyone? I don't know where to go from here, can anyone help? Gob Lofa (talk) 12:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, there is always Wikipedia:Standard offer. Elizium23 (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Given some of the stuff I've seen people do here, six months seems somewhat less than proportionate. I'm having serious difficulty getting my head around this. I've been editing for years, must be thousands of individual edits, without any bother. The original problems that came to a head recently and led to the blocks were easily resolved once my attention was brought to them. It strikes me that the letter of the law is being enforced rather than its spirit. Is this really par for the course? Gob Lofa (talk) 18:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, who's the unblocking administrator Chase refers to? Gob Lofa (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
The "unblocking administrator" is whichever administrator reviews your unblock appeal and decides to lift the block. The Standard Offer is - as the name suggests - pretty standard; six months' time-out tends to be the norm. I'd suggest taking it. Yunshui  09:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This is mental. I'm still unclear as to the reason for the block. Ever since the official incorrect reason was removed no replacement has been put in place. An uninvolved admin coming here for the first time could well form the impression that I've been blocked for a week (see top of section) and wonder what all the fuss is about. Everyone bar Chase seems to believe the block is punitive, for using sockpuppets. Chase seems to imply instead that it's preventative, that he believes I'm determined to edit non-constructively, but doesn't confirm this or explain why. If it's the former, I'm a little shocked at the proposed length. If it's the latter, why is there such faith in this determination? Ever since my attention was drawn to the problem, I've used edit summaries and avoided creating disambiguation links. Does Chase really have this belief? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This has been explained several times above, but once more, with feeling:
  1. You were blocked for two days for disruptive editing.
  2. You created additional accounts in order to evade the block.
  3. Your block was extended for an indefinite period because of the evasion.
  4. You will not be unblocked until we can be sure that you will not continue to disrupt Wikipedia.
  5. You have not posted an unblock request that suggests you will not continue to disrupt Wikipedia.
  6. Therefore you remain blocked.
I do not know how to make it any clearer. Yunshui  12:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
You're right, it has been explained several times. My problem was it was also explained several ways. I thank you for what seems like the most likely explanation for how things got to this. You seem to be confirming that the block is a mixture of punitive and preventative. I suspected this but I'm glad to have it confirmed. I can understand the first impulse but not the second. Can you please tell me how to post an unblock request? I have to say I'm a little confused as to why you and others seem to believe I would disrupt Wikipedia. JamesBWatson seems happy I don't want to, have you spoken with him? I thought that aspect had long been laid to rest. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry = abuse/disruption. You have created multiple sockpuppets, so we expect that you will act disruptively. Your conduct on this page - at best, a surprising inability to understand, at worst, wilful obtrusiveness - has not helped alleviate that concern. As to making an unblock request, see the guide to appeals for instructions and advice. Yunshui  14:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't mean to obtrude, but you're being a little obtuse. I've understood perfectly anytime I've been given a proper explanation, unlike many of the throwaway comments here that purported to explain but were often contradictory. Why on earth would I create more sockpuppets if I was unblocked? Or what other disruption do you fear? I can't help but feel you're all making mountains out of molehills. Thanks for pointing me toward the guide to appeals, I appreciate it. Gob Lofa (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request[edit]

Unblock request[edit]

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Request reason:

The block is no longer necessary because I now understand what I was blocked for, I will not do it again, and I will make productive contributions instead

Accept reason:

Per this extended talk page discussion. Sockpuppets, links to disambiguation pages, ignoring talkpage messages. Please don't do these again. Otherwise, good luck with your future editing. Euryalus (talk) 21:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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I've used that time. My block is indefinite (see above), but I understand your confusion. The template that announced the block was removed because it was inaccurate, but not replaced. Gob Lofa (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie:, could you re-review based on the above? I did indeed indef-block. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 22:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I retracted my unblock answer. Though I see you've made lots of constructive edits, your block history shows a troubling lack of interest in following policy. I will note in your favor that your other account seems to have managed to not create any disambig links. You're going to have to specifically address both issues (block evasion and ignoring bot messages that urge you to clean up messes you've inadvertently made). OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Works for me. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:52, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Do you mean address them here? I thought first you meant in my future activity. I have no intention of setting up any more sockpuppet accounts. I had no idea they would be taken so seriously when I wasn't using them for contentious edits or influencing debates/votes etc. I've no problem heeding the bot messages in future and fixing those links, as I wrote above I had been under the impression the bot had fixed the problems it referred to. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Better than heeding the bot messages would be using preview and such so that you never insert dab links in the first place, then there is no reason for a bot to notify you, and no reason for you to return and commit yet another edit to the same article. Elizium23 (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Current block aside, on the topic of addressing your editing issues, please would you read or reread the Wikipedia link guidelines. The reason I left you the message above about your missing edit comment was to prompt you to consider why you would edit an article solely to link the words "sediment", "sand" and "estuary". These are everyday words that the majority of English readers would be familiar with and since Wikipedia is not a dictionary, the links are unnecessary. Moreover, they are not germane to an article on the subject of prehistoric footprints. Multiple links make articles harder to read and are a distraction —they should be used judiciously as part of the skills required by a Wikipedia editor. I suspect that many of the disambiguation issues you created were the result of linking generic words (which tend to have multiple uses) and were thus non-productive in the creation of an encyclopedia. This is not meant to be a criticism of your enthusiasm for Wikipedia but please bear in mind the goals of the project. Good luck, ► Philg88 ◄ talk 16:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Fair point Phil, reading it now, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I for one am happy that you've made it back to the land of the living. You're a decent chap and a pretty constructive editor, from the little I have seen, and I think this little incident gave me an unfairly negative first impression of you. Thank you for not just giving up but making the effort to understand and be understood so that you can continue with a productive career here on the project. Welcome back. Elizium23 (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Welcome back! You know what you have to do now :) Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ talk 04:50, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Great to hear, thank you. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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I've run a checkuser, and yes, you seem to be caught in a range block intended for someone else. However, looking at your block log I'm somewhat reluctant to grant IP block exemption. The other IP addresses you've used recently aren't blocked. Can you use a different IP? PhilKnight (talk) 09:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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IMOS[edit]

A consensus emerged with respect to referring to the island and the state in other contexts:

  • Use "Ireland" for the state except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context. In such circumstances use "Republic of Ireland" (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland").
  • An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar (e.g. "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland").
  • Regardless of the above guidelines, always use the official titles of state offices (e.g. "Douglas Hyde was the first President of Ireland").
  • Per the Linking guideline of the Manual of Style, the names of major geographic features and locations should not be linked. If it is thought necessary to link, in order to establish context or for any other reason, the name of the state should be pipelinked as [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]].

The Morris Tribunal, doesnt not mention Northern Ireland or the island, it is to do with with internal matters of the state, so why do you keep adding it? It happen near NI? Really is that a reason? So can you show where there is consensus for your edit? Murry1975 (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

You don't seem to be as familiar with the proceedings of the Tribunal as I would like. Some of the guards transported explosives across the border. At least one witness contended the guards conspired with the RUC in this endeavour: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.irish/6-KcUe7V1Zw Why are you talking about consensus, is there a discussion on this topic I'm not aware of? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:59, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Obviously you are not fimilar with it, its the exact extract from WP:IMOS. And there are many. You are now aware of it, and I see its not the first bit of consensus ignoring, with disruptive edits, you have been invovled in. Murry1975 (talk) 12:06, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
You seem to be confusing the Tribunal proceedings with the IMOS. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
What are you on about? Murry1975 (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I wrote "You don't seem to be as familiar with the proceedings of the Tribunal as I would like." You then wrote "Obviously you are not fimilar with it, its the exact extract from WP:IMOS.", ignoring the point I made about the Tribunal's NI aspect. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Personal knowledge to do with an article doesnt in any way over-ride any consensus on here, as I pointed out I quoted the exact piece that pertains to this, and you ignore that fact and introduce a link that isnt a RS or in the article, further more the use is contextual, "is being discussed in the same context" so even then the topic would have to be cross-border, or the use of both be on a par. Niether of which they are. Murry1975 (talk) 12:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't agree with your interpretation. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014[edit]

Please stop your disruptive editing. Your edits have been reverted or removed.

Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Murry1975 (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Your hypocrisy is nauseating. I'm not the one reverting edits within minutes of them being made instead of waiting until consensus has been reached. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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