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Re Rainbow Trout GAN[edit]

Mongo, thanks - my goal is to get the big four--rainbow, cutthroat, brown and brook trout articles up to GA status then start pushing for FAC. --Mike Cline (talk) 11:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I won't step on tour toes with those as I did a bit with the Fort Yellowstone article...but will mention that keeping momentum is a good might take another of the articles you mention to GAC but return to the last one promoted to GA while the story is still fresh for the FAC push. Rainbow Trout is in excellent shape's close to FA now.--MONGO 14:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Just requested Peer review on the Rainbow trout article. Am about ready with the Cutthroat trout article for a GA request. Hope you are having a good holiday. Thanks for all your support. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
I put the peer review on my watchlist.--MONGO 15:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]

BostonSkyline.jpg Best wishes
happy holidays from The Hub. Sportsguy17 (TC) 17:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you and hope the same for you as well!--MONGO 12:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

File an SPI[edit]

If you want to file an SPI on MilesMoney you are welcome to, but placing an accusatory template and category on his user page, and deleting his comments from another user's page is disruptive. Kindly stop it.- MrX 19:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I can begin to see where you're coming from with the claim, but... I can't make a sockpuppet duck test judgement, I didn't know 24/7 that well. Looking back at his history isn't good enough.
Can you lay it out at an SPI or at least in better detail here?
Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)'re right...but I thought the SPI was still open. The template however automagically adds the category to the page. Secondly, I can and will remove any harassment and trolling done by that user on Arthur's page.
@Georgewilliamherbert...a half dozen folks are working on the sock investigation offsite. The initial conclusion is that MilesMoney is StillStanding-247...who may also be a previous ban evader. If you want the details I can email them.--MONGO 23:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Email away; will keep them confidential on-wiki etc, and if I am convinced I'm willing to act. But ya gotta convince me. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:25, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
See ARBCOM SevenOfDiamonds...I don't need checkuser to track. I'll be a day or three before it's ready--MONGO 02:11, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
If we were to pick this up after xmas, it would not be a tragedy, I think. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 05:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
About 4 accounts all edit from the same place it seems...the checkusers want behavioral evidence and that just takes longer to put together. Its not like they showed up to work on articles about butterflies or a mountain....they're all just POV pushers on political articles and related areas. They are what makes the website suck...I prefer dealing with teenage vandals frankly. Least the kids that edit Pokeman articles are earnest and sincere.--MONGO 05:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
I like the sound of this discussion. Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays whatever fits! Best,--NK (talk) 13:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm generally an exclusionist, especially in BLP's so when I see any editor arguing incessantly for the inclusion of negative junk in our bios, edit warring for such things and fighting everyone that disagrees with them, then it's obvious to me that we are dealing with someone that is incapable of working collaboratively on article improvement. In a way, wasting time tying to pin down which ban evader they are isn't necessary since we have the diffs that clearly show they need to be told to play elsewhere.--MONGO 17:57, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

just parking above for no real reason...its rudimentary compared to what we can do now...

[1]....yeah yeah right...those are the same lies the moron above said right before he was blocked....least SEVEN was smart enough to cover his tracks better but this fool is too stupid to know when to stop giving me multiple tells...

Best holiday gift in Wikipedia history![edit]

This is Darwinbish happily looking forward to seeing MONGO open the box. holiday cheer in Wikipedia history! Thank your very much Jurassic critters!--MONGO 14:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Lookout! Stand clear when you open the box, Mr MONGO! darwinfish 01:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC).
Darwinbish! It's been many moons since you last posted here...MONGO like gifts...but MONGO is ah, somewhat perplexed by grin of Darwinbish...hum. oh well...probably fine...--MONGO 02:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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[Darwinbish falls over laughing. Even Fish likes the fireworks. ] Hope Mr Bigfoot is fine! darwinfish 11:23, 26 December 2013 (UTC). hair is a little frazzled but MONGO need haircut anyway...was starting to look like hippie MONGO. Great gift BTW...maybe give same one to JUMBO Wales?--MONGO 17:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
ooooooo.... pretty..... wait, Bad! Bad. That's it, Bad. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holiday season....[edit]

SantaMartaCarnival2013 24.JPG Cheers, pina coladas all round!
Damn need a few of these after a frenetic year and Xmas. Hope yours is a good one....Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:06, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much Cas! MONGO never have such a drink...must try but have to avoid glassware store afterwards due to probable tipsiness after effects.--MONGO 12:24, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus[edit]

Merry Christmas to you as well! Hope you and your family have a relaxing holiday season.--MONGO 14:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


This false ANI report is stalking.

  • It is redundant with a WP:3RRN report.
  • Both contain a direct lie: they claim I said I violated 3RR; I made no such statement.
  • I did not violate 3RR, but I did ask the page to be protected because of a flurry of reverts.

Do not lie about me. MilesMoney (talk) 18:53, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Feel free to file a case with the arbitration committee.--MONGO 00:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Nah, that's your thing, not mine. Besides, the false report was properly closed, so I'm dropping this. MilesMoney (talk) 00:11, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I really think you should file a case with the arbitration committee. It's not like we'll be the only ones at the dance...we'll have lots of company and you'll have maximum attention. I don't see how you can resist since you've apparently been stalked and are surrounded by's the best way to put a stop to the pain.--MONGO 00:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll take that under advisement. MilesMoney (talk) 00:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, my advice may not be worth much, but since all these other editors are stalking you, and they're liars and they are interfereing with your ability to edit constructively, I think you need to put a stop to all the harassment you're having to put up with.--MONGO 00:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I'll also take that under advisement. MilesMoney (talk) 00:33, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO all you have to do is make the redlink turn can consider it your first article's a link to how to start a case.--MONGO 00:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Possible opening statement for abrcom case...feel free to adapt or alter to suit your desires!

MONGO big bad meanie...he enterferrin with my afforts to edit constructionally...he stalking me and he is an liar two...somebloody pahweez help me get this big meanie off mah back!!!! I am an newby editer hear and I wants ot be a good Wikipedia editer but this Mongo mean person is makin me wanna up and quit. I shouldent haveta feel like I'm bein stalked on this webcite all the time having this persen going around and lying bout me all the time and all. Its enterferrin with mah sleep and I had diarehha this morning due to this big bad meanie. He has said I should be banned and all I have done is edit constructionally and I aint had no arugments or nothin yet this mean person wants me bannned just cause hes mean. He's the menest man I ever met anywheres ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MONGO (talkcontribs)

Not taking that under advisement, as it crosses the line into personal attack. Bad Mongo. Redact yourself. MilesMoney (talk) 01:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
NO..I better file an arbitration case...I was just trying to help you out is all, since you think filing cases is my "thing". You don't have to copy my opening statement verbatim of may have your own ideas about all this harassment and stalking and lying you're being subjected to. An editor with your contributions history should be respected, admired and set as an example for others to follow....not kicked to the curb like some darn troll.--MONGO 01:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, troll. Interesting choice of words. MilesMoney (talk) 01:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Exactly! well not really exact since troll is but one word, so its not really words unless we add something like obnoxious or something in front of it. How about, "not kicked to the curb like some darn obnoxious troll"???--MONGO 01:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Are those socks of trolls or trolls with socks? Inclusionists would likely think they are trolls with socks. --DHeyward (talk) 05:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Trouble is with the sockmaster!--MONGO 05:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year MONGO![edit]

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Happy New Year!
Hello MONGO:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, BusterD (talk) 06:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Midwinter fireworks up north[edit]

Happy new Year, Bigfoot! Bishonen | talk

Cool picture! MONGO like fireworks...and these from just the other evening. Interesting time lapse deal too....thank you!--MONGO 14:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

your request for translation[edit]

"That man is less and less coherent as time progresses...I can't for the life of me understand anything about his latest rambling..." --MONGO 16:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hail oh MONGO. *I* understand rambleze. <looks proud> If you were talking about the Great Jumbo, that is to say. Maybe the journalism-of-the-future stuff? Link?

  p.s. Actually, maybe you meant bishzilla when you said "his" ... not really sure zillas are gendered into just his-n-hers... and if so what exactly... uhhh nevermind. I don't translate roarrRRRRReze, so if that was who you meant to call monotonically-increasingly-incoherent, I stand aside. Can't watch....  ;-)   — (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Mr Wales might mean well, but he's so distanced himself from the central issues that his proclamations don't make any sense. MONGO do best with short and to the point.--MONGO 14:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
MONGO, you got link to procklahmayshun? You give. I make short. With hatchet very pointy. Great Jumbo mean well always. Me know. Is called Soom Good Faith. p.s. What central issues? You mean like m:Special:CentralNotice or you mean deep thoughts like grand canyon? Danke. (talk) 03:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hum...JUMBO not able to stand in shadow of MONGO...everybloody knows dat!!!!--MONGO 20:02, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

When animals edit articles on other animals can they be trusted to be neutral????[edit]

Well...this edit looks fine but it could be that a Sandhillcrane might not like Polar bears at all...we have to think like a Sandhill Crane to see what they were thinking when they made that edit...--MONGO 16:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


WikiprojectBarnstar.png The WikiProject Barnstar
I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar in recognition of your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your being nominated for the 2013 "Military historian of the Year" award. We're grateful for your help and look forward to seeing more of your excellent work in the coming year. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I wish I had known that there had been such a thing as Mike Cline deserves the credit a heck of a lot more than I do. Thank you.--MONGO 02:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics opened[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 8, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm (TCGE) 01:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Peer review of Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution[edit]

I heard somewhere that you were offering to help fastrack a peer review of an article that might be ready to make the transition from GA to FA. We put in for a peer review on 4th amendment a while back, but no word so far.

If you have the time and the interest, would you take a look at it? I mostly work on getting articles from non-existant to stubs, so I'm not up on FA criteria. Your help most appreciated. --HectorMoffet (talk) 10:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I might be able to do some minor stuff if it goes to FAC.--MONGO 16:03, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I've now submitted it to FAC. --HectorMoffet (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

A hand-typed thank you[edit]

Hi MONGO, thank you for your support for me on my RfB, but thank you more so for the kind words and trust you showed here. I'm glad that I never let you (or anyone else, it seems) down when you supported my second RfA and I hope to do the same as a bureaucrat. Thank you. :) Acalamari 10:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Was my pleasure to support.--MONGO 14:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


Reverting an edit that is a textbook violation of WP:CITECONSENSUS is not "vandalism". Good day.—indopug (talk) 12:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing textbook about it...he converted the page to templated cites, you reverted it, I reverted you then you reverted me for some stupid reason...looks like consensus is against you. Though not mandatory, the article has a much better chance of becoming featured if it uses a more organized citation style so I have no idea what your reverts could be except vandalism.--MONGO 14:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


I am not seeing any wiki-kittens on your talk page, let me rectify that. More seriously, thank you for your recent Wildlife Refuge-related edits, nice job. Cheers!

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much....kittens always welcome here!--MONGO 14:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I am fresh out of wiki kittens; please accept this cake as a thank you for your support and thoughtful comments during my (now withdrawn) RfA. Also, another thank you for recognizing certain harassment for what it was. What doesn't kill us... Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


Just noticed this renewal of our vows, lol. Thank'ee, Bigfoot! Everybody should support so many times! darwinbish BITE 21:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC).

Some critters are exempt from that silly 7-day stuff.--MONGO 12:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.[edit]

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Cutthroat trout peer review[edit]

Mongo: go for it: Wikipedia:Peer review/Cutthroat trout/archive1 --Mike Cline (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure but will likely be at least two days before I can look it all over.--MONGO 12:17, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Re recent change from "lumped" to "combined". In taxonomy there are two schools--the lumpers and the splitters. But your change is OK. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
We can switch it back....MONGO just kind of going back and forth on the article trying to find best wording...--MONGO 18:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

User: Beingsshepherd[edit]

Hello Mongo, You may be interested to read the above "users" comments on my Talk page. Best regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

"Rouge nations?" Is that when Kim Jong Il was wearing too much makeup? Acroterion (talk) 01:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, and hopping around in his jumpsuits etc.--MONGO 01:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


Please read other peoples edit summaries, and stop re-introducing the same spelling mistake at Mount Hooker (Wyoming)

There is no such word as reknowned, and ssuming you mean "renowned", that is considered a "peacock" term, the use of which is deprecated in WP:PEA. - Arjayay (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey...thanks for bringing that to my attention...the guy is a renowned rock climber whether you like it or not and it doesn't need a cite saying just that as common sense and the article we have on the climber make it fucking obvious....just as the article on Hooker make it clear he was prominent...hugs and kisses.--MONGO 15:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

FAC Nomination Cutthroat trout[edit]

Mongo, just put the cutthroat up for FAC. --Mike Cline (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool beans! I'll bookmark it....--MONGO 18:32, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Tadeusz Kościuszko nominated for FA[edit]

This is a general notice to previous reviewers: The Tadeusz Kościuszko article has again been nominated for FA. Opinions are needed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tadeusz Kościuszko/archive2. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 Oso mudslide[edit]

--The Rambling Man (talk) 07:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Winkelvi 23:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Rainbow trout transparent.png
You've been whacked with a wet trout.
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

You guys just had conflicting sources, technically both of you were right. I know it is easy to get pumped up when you are busy improving an article (and by all means, I think it is great to improve the article), however, you probably can dial back the abrasiveness just a notch when doing so. You know this stuff better than I do, so I will spare you the boring monologue. Dennis Brown |  | WER 00:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for taking it in stride. Please understand that the trout isn't a warning, it is just saying "Come on, you know you aren't supposed to tell fellow editors to fuck off". I'm not one to get dramatic or draconian when dealing with civility complaints, boys will be boys, but I felt obligated to say something. You know the drill, which is why I don't labor it and try to keep it light. I explained in greater detail on his page, as he is newer. Dennis Brown |  | WER 01:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

MONGO: Apology accepted. Can we move forward from here in a better way? -- Winkelvi 01:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course...I moved on after the admin plopped that warning template on my page...I just log off when it gets hot. Also, I didn't move the page to get a credit for such a sad affair, but was just going by consensus that the material needed a stand alone article...had no idea when I did this that it would then be an In The News piece linked off the main page. Anyway, I had one argument about how many were missing, then saw another one editor insulting your work in edit summaries...then watched an odd page move which the guy switched by the time I restarted editing, my patience was already thin...and here we are.--MONGO 01:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I get it. Let's try to work on it all together as we have time to do so, okay? -- Winkelvi 01:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Of long as we acknowledge that I am never wrong...that's a joke...ha. But actually, as far as that article goes, so I may not do a lot more on it until the full story is known. I tend to get frustrated if I work in very active articles and cooler heads do better. My forte is obscure geographical points and featured article development and reviews. Also...TParis is one of our best admins...Dennis Brown and Jehochman are as well but all Dennis does is cook on his grill all day....least that's what I hear.--MONGO 02:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on some of that. Nevertheless, take care and see you 'round the Wiki. -- Winkelvi 02:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

24 confirmed dead...second worst loss of life from a landslide in U.S. history....just saw it on the Tele.--MONGO 01:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I saw that, too. Heartbreaking, really. -- Winkelvi 01:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey sorry I missed the discussion at ANI. I just noticed it this morning. I feel a but sheepish about not being able to chime in with some support for you on that thread, especially after your support of me during that latest reactionary debacle. All seemed to work out however. Keep up the good work. JOJ Hutton 15:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Lol....some fun is worth missing! Just a reminder to me to avoid current event issues on the scale I was involved. I'm not a huge fan of news sources anyway since they fluctuate too much which in turn makes article stability a serious problem.--MONGO 15:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

extra tank, extra lunatics,[edit]

Please to be trying this much less obsolete MBT as built by poor oppressed Ukrainian peoples, and populate it equally with lunatics! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Even newer version as currently used in very small numbers by recently heroic armed forces of Ukraine --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

MONGO approve of tanks...need more than 10 though if war planned for invasion by Ukranians onto soil of mother Russia has chance of success...even if manned by lunatics such as dreaded MONGO!--MONGO 00:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

You call that a tank! Now this is a tank. No fancy vetronics or reactive armor, just plain good old fashioned Soviet steel! A tank for real warriors, Comrades! (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
MONGO like! No reason to pussy-foot around! Nothing passive-aggressive about that monster...that's pure testosterone.--MONGO 01:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha! Lunatics lunatics everywhere!!!![edit]

Lunatics everywhere! Even near where I live here near Omaha, Nebraska! In fact, we have some of the worlds best nuts they even make the international news!--MONGO 16:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, truly awesome! Tom Harrison Talk 22:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Apparently he now is going to have to come up with 50K, which is ten percent of his half-a-million dollar bail...sometimes the comments after the story add to the pricelessness...[2]--MONGO 00:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I see the brainless culprit was called Mongonga or something. How ironic. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
He's a cousin! Mganga ranslates to Witch Doctor Witch Doctor...same first and last names aren't too uncommon....see Sirhan Sirhan.--MONGO 13:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, just like that Yoko Ono and Denis, Denis. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
And Jimbo Wales, Jimbo Wales!!!!--MONGO 14:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
"Gwlad, gwlad"!!!!, surely? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Aye, James James!!! Mae'r golygydd isod yn trolio--MONGO 22:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Ond dyna lle trolls yn perthyn, wrth gwrs! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Ddim yn siŵr pa fath o trolio ef fod, efallai ogof-trolio? Efallai y trolls un diwrnod rheol y byd ...--MONGO 22:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh! What's occurrin'? What UK's really like. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Arg! Dim titties is drivin dim dar mericans nuts! Lol!--MONGO 23:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Shucks, darned inspirin', ain't it. (He's a funny and very talented guy). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
You may also find this educative, my good man: [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
That is funny.--MONGO 01:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


Steelhead are both. And don't forget, we don't use Wikipedia as a reference. [4]. Have a good day. -- Winkelvi 11:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You need to read the's a featured article...just became one. We DO use out own policies and guidelines to help us maintain our articles.--MONGO 11:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
You need to learn ichthology. It's a salmon in coastal rivers, but go ahead and live with the delusion. Did you even look at the WFW link? Obviously they don't know what (think) you know. Have a nice day. -- Winkelvi 12:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Apparently, the National Wildlife Federation hasn't read the Rainbow Trout Wikipedia FA article, either. They better do it soon so they can get up to speed![5] -- Winkelvi 13:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Take it to the article talk page. While Salmon and Trout are closely related, they are not the same thing.--MONGO 13:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
This edit summary is hilarious...and above you tell me to learn about ichthology? Stay off my page with your bullshit.--MONGO 14:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey also....from your link to the National Wildlife Federation webpage above...."unlike a salmon, which dies after spawning, steelhead trout can spawn, return to the ocean, and migrate back upstream to spawn several times."..... --MONGO 14:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Meh...above is from the deadly 2014 Oso mudslide article...which happened in the Steelhead neighborhood near Oso, the sources say. Sources then say that the neighborhood is named for the Steelhead, a type of fish which used to be common in the river there. Steelhead is a name for an ocean going group of Rainbow trout...and the unknowing may incorrectly confuse some species of Salmon and Rainbow trout and call them both Steelhead as there are similar looking subspecies of ocean going Salmon and Rainbow trout that have silvery or steel colored heads...but the correct species that is a Steelhead is the Rainbow trout. It is not impossible that those that named the neighborhood area meant Salmon, but we don't know that, and since Steelhead is a Rainbow trout and not a species of Salmon, then we don't violate piping on [[Rainbow trout|salmon]] like that...because a salmon and a Rainbow trout are not the same thing. Trout and Salmon are similar and are members of the Family Salmonidae, but they aren't in the same genus even.--MONGO 22:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Rainbow trout.png In an emergency, this user may be slapped with a salmon.
Hahaha! Or forced to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring!--MONGO 18:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

YouTube as a RS[edit]

It is possible for YouTube to be a WP:RS, it's just extremely unlikely. The main thing to take into account is the provenance and the channel publishing it. In this case, the Zeitgeist video is published by a channel named "subversiveoptimism" which has no indication of being any kind of official or approved account. In fact, TZM has an official channel named TZMOfficialChannel, so if the video were found there, it would possibly be acceptable as a WP:SPS by TZM. But it's not, and so you're right in this case, the video is not a WP:RS. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I believe that for use as a reference, YouTube is not considered reliable by Wikipedia.--MONGO 10:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Interested in another FAC review?[edit]

Looking for some solid reviewers to pop by on the FAC for Mucho Macho Man. Would you be interested? Not a fish, but rather a racehorse who runs with the big fish, so to speak - and to mix metaphors - horribly! I need a few more people to look it over and review. Be nice if I could get it finished this month. Montanabw(talk) 16:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Will surely be glad to assist there, but might be a few days due to my home computer is now likely dead!--MONGO 16:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
That surely sucks! Hope things get back up and running soon! Montanabw(talk) 00:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I'll be taking a look over the next few days. I'm able to usr my portable device to perform some copyediting and suggestions as I did yesterday on the Cutthroat trout FAC.--MONGO 10:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Given the limits of tech, I am fine if you point out a problem on the FAC page for me to fix, I've been chasing down other people's tweaks for a couple weeks now... just would be glad to get your support if possble! Montanabw(talk) 00:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
It looks very good right now...I'll read it over one more time tomorrow and not do any editing especially with any bots! I don't see any reason to not support except that I am methodical and usually wait a few days before I do so after I start a review. My ex trained quarter horses but I don't know much about them myself...odd.--MONGO 01:12, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate a methodical review, makes the article more likely to be blessed by the FAC gods who promote! LOL! Ah horses... if you think of them as mentally like 1000 pound cats except that they are eating (and pooping) machines who are quite accident-prone, you will be on the right track, ;-) I gotta love 'em! My own breed of choice is the Arabian, but I get a kick out of these race horse "biographies" because the people involved almost always have a great back story. Montanabw(talk) 21:16, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
She trained AQHA registered quarter horses...she had some early involvement with a horse named Zips Chocolate Chip, but didn't do much as far as the heavy training or showing except as an assistant. That horse apparently was a major player in the western pleasure class. I did a little riding in the Yellowstone region but most of the time I was stuck driving a police cruiser or fighting forest fires.--MONGO 02:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah, Zip's Chocolate Chip is a horse I've heard of, and I don't follow AQHA particularly closely! video How long ago did you live/work in/near Yellowstone? Montanabw(talk) 03:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I worked at Glacier, Grand Teton Yellowstone and two eastern parks from 1982 to 1996. I was born in Missoula.--MONGO 05:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
AHA! Another expat! You folks are everywhere!  :-) Montanabw(talk) 08:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I mostly remember Montana from adult life having left there as a child long ago.--MONGO 13:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Mentally Ill[edit]

Mongo are you one of the ill fan-stalkers of Kellogg, you've been following me around where ever I post. Obsessive. Get help. I'll proceed with having someone here look into your conduct. Sociopath as you seem to enjoy following me around. Good luck seeking help Everestrecords (talk) 05:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

You do that.--MONGO 06:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Why remove helpful "Get help monster" post? Get help and cakes here, little monster! bishzilla ROARR!! 16:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC).
I think I'll do just that....might need to create a monster corner for me!--MONGO 16:37, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
("You're a sick person. Stalking me, obsessed with Kellogg, even removing a national magazine source that revealed his use of steroids for Everest attempt. Internet sociopath. Get help monster. Seeking you to be banned, persistent vandal sociopath. Climbing forum obsesser also. Spend hours a day on forums. Autism/Aspergers?")...from my new buddy.

Hi Mongo, I created the Kellogg page yesterday. Just wanted to stop by and thank you for your edits. :) 97198 (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem....just now noticed you posted it for the DYK for the main page... I'll add it to my watch list.--MONGO 16:39, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I have now looked into MONGO's conduct as requested by the OP, and have concluded it is eminently lunatic. Will be reporting to WP:ANL momentarily. Incidentally, is Mentally III the grandson of Mentally II ? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
    [‎ it's a madhouse!!!!]--MONGO 18:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Looks like your 1 day remission is now a week. Sounds like your 'roid rage is finally under control. Congrats! --DHeyward (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
One week will be nice. That article is also up at DYK nominations so I hope it gets mainpaged before that guy returns to try and mess with it.--MONGO 14:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: Collapse of the World Trade Center article[edit]

I explained where my notes are. None of you have replied to any of my points. I question how much consensus building can occur with people who don't seem to understand the material and who won't bother to do the research. The article Talk page already acknowledges this is a topic for which much is in dispute. If you haven't read the NIST reports yourself, or done the research, you should step aside. There is much more to be changed in this article. Just undoing what others have done without checking the facts yourself is doing no one a service. You need to co-operate on this. --Jasne9 (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Please see new note on article talk page. --Jasne9 (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

And that is where content discussions should be.--MONGO 18:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Sincere apologies for an accidental rollback on your talk page due to fat finger syndrome. -- Winkelvi 19:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem....hugs and kisses!--MONGO 19:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Administrator's Notice Board[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

For your expansion of North Cascades National Park[edit]

Globe-barnstar2.png The Geography Barnstar
Thanks for adding the human history section: the article is much better now! —hike395 (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you hike395! The plan is to get the article to look more like Grand Teton National Park and become featured.--MONGO 19:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Question About Goethean[edit]

You referred to POV-pushing and September 11 conspiracy theories by Goethean and said that he has been topic-banned. Has he been topic-banned from September 11? I am aware that he has been topic-banned from the Tea Party Movement. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No...he is not topic banned from 9/11 articles...I'll look again and make sure that was clear.--MONGO 17:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI discussion[edit]

Hi! There's an ongoing discussion on ANI. I'd be happy if you express your opinions. Thanks. Shallowmead077 (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


Thanks :-)

In return, you may find this useful on occasion: File:Oh no, not this shit again.jpg Guy (Help!) 18:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Outstanding...that is MONGO approved as well!--MONGO 18:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The tribe of Bishapod[edit]

Hello from all the poddies!

The pallid sturgeons really do look remarkably like Bishapod, don't they? Bishonen | talk 21:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC).

How dare stupid editors call these handsome fish ugly?? Have removed unwarranted slur![6] bishapod talk to your inner fish 21:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC).
Bishapod is correct...very unfair to call this fish "ugly"...that is a rather subjective assessment anyway, probably made by some crazy humans with a poor understanding of what is and what is NOT ugly! Hum...though a wee bit sidetracked with another article at present, little Pallabish sturgeon critter fishy article is a bit overdue for an update. Much is spent trying to save Pallabish from extinction...and that needs to be added to the article, nasty humans and their dams and fish hooks and all. Article of paramount importance...last species on earth that saw Godzilla when he was but a wee lad (toddler), and prior to city-eating adolescent stage.--MONGO 21:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Speaking of efforts to preserve the species from extinction, surely it's a bit unfortunate to emphasize in a widely read encyclopedia that it's good to eat? And even, rather horribly, to suggest that catching it is a "rewarding experience"! :-( (That also comes from a couple of sentences in the lead which are not found in the article.) Yes, yes, many people enjoy killing wildlife as we know, but it needn't be encouraged, need it? "Oh, look, it's the last of the dodos, hand me my gun, Jeeves!" Bishonen | talk 22:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC).
Indeed, the article is written from the perspective of the callous humanoid....Eight wild boars roasted whole at breakfast but twelve persons there. Soon, efforts to rectify these oversights and ill considerations will commence, perhaps in a fortnight..Unquiet meals make ill digestions. lol!--MONGO 22:43, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Removal of comment at RFP[edit]

I'd like to remove my comment at the requests for permission, but if I do that, then juxtaposition will signify an uncivil mention of the editor at hand because my comment is needed for context. If you were to edit your comment to signify this, I'd remove mine. Thanks. (It's currently just strucked out.) Tutelary (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I wasn't trying to address you, but my indent seemed to show I was. I made the proper indentation to reflect my intended audience, which is any reviewing admin.--MONGO 16:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Penguins are people too[edit]

Yes penguins are people too, and are also hazardous to fish! Nevertheless, I am (courageously) a member of WikiProject Antarctica Highways, dedicated especially to mapping penguin paths! Proud member n:o 61! Little MONGO — no, sorry, on my scale, that's of course HUGE MONGO! — perhaps consider joining fine project? With MONGO admirable editing re glaciers, this, the biggest glacier in the world, is perhaps worthy of attention also? With respect, darwinfish 16:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

The Antarcticans do eat plenty of fish, but you my dear Darwinfish, being a true Ichthyosaur, I imagine you are safe. MONGO may join the project you mention....May ask for permission from cousin, the Bumble first.--MONGO 16:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for commenting Kronan FAC. I really appreciate all the helpful pointers.

Peter Isotalo 16:37, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure.--MONGO 17:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Just a thought[edit]

Jarlaxle has been active recently. Bishonen | talk 08:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC).

He was just saying thank you to me for reverting his vandalism.--MONGO 14:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

How a legal threat?[edit]

MONGO, you normally do excellent work on Wikipedia, so I am confused by your recent deletion, saying there was an alluded "legal threat". I didn't see or intend any legal threat, so could you clarify, please? - 2001:558:1400:10:DC33:3186:3BC3:3AEF (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you I think.--MONGO 16:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, since you were unable (or unwilling) to clarify, I'm going to restore the section to Jimbo Wales' Talk page. If you undo it again, you should provide a more coherent explanation for the deletion. Happy editing! - 2001:558:1400:10:DC33:3186:3BC3:3AEF (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I'll revert it as harassment. Hugs and kisses.--MONGO 17:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Your collection of created articles is very impressive. I'll have to show my son your animations on your talk page - he would like those! Keep up the good work. Daniellagreen (talk) 17:40, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much....I do what I can. The animations are actually on loan from one of the goddesses of Wikipedia-land.--MONGO 21:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

refuges of natural wildlife
Thank you for taking us on hiking trails to wildernesses areas, such as Grand Teton National Park, to countless forests, lakes and glaciers, with a sense for the relation of people(s) to nature, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (26 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 166th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

The Zeitgeist Movement[edit]

Would you please comment on the talk page to explain what you felt was wrong with my edit and perhaps suggest ways you think it could be improved?--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 05:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Raynolds GAN[edit]

Mongo, I suspect I am too involved in the Raynolds article to do the GAN with good conscience. I'll continue to help tweak it. However, I'd like to suggest that you propose to Powder River 1876 that he, she, they, it, whatever conduct the GAN. PR 1876 is a relatively inexperienced editor that I believe is showing some potential, especially on US military topics in the 19th century. I've been mentoring informally. I have no clue as to how PR 1876 might react to the request, but if couched in language that says reviewing an GAN is an excellent way to learn a lot about WP content and style guidelines, they might bite and I'll be there to help the process along. What do you think? Can we bring a newbie into the fold? --Mike Cline (talk) 19:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd generally prefer an experienced GA or FA writer/reviewer to do the review....but I don't have a problem with them doing it so long as they can examine the GA criteria and apply it...that would means that they could review but shouldn't really edit the article itself.--MONGO 20:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Your call on the invite. Article shouldn't have any problem going throught GA in its current condition. I'll be there to help. --Mike Cline (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I want to expand it slightly....the article on the expedition itself needs massive expansion but it's not going to GAN. I'll ask the fellow if he's interested today or tomorrow.--MONGO 20:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Mike...I'm probably going to pass as to now on any invite to this guy....unless he starts talking about his edits I'm more likely to just undue his work at this point. He doesn't appear to have made any talk page edits.--MONGO 23:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Re Bear Mountain[edit]

Mongo, I'm slowly learning here. I hope this is the correct way to start a conversation on here! For the Bear Mountain info you undid, what is the correct way to reference that? a copy of the marriage license?

Thanks! Phisig32 (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC) Phisig32

No offense but even with that it's isn't a significant event in the scheme of things.--MONGO 01:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Lunatic free zone![edit]

No Quacks logo.png This user resists the POV-pushing of
lunatic charlatans

Request for help[edit]

Hey MONGO, you're the most active and experienced editor I've come across in my short time on wikipedia, so I am asking you for help on an issue. I hope it is not too much trouble. Basically, I added a couple references to the Bowyer–Watson_algorithm page - the problem is that they do not list with the other references at the bottom but show up separately. What is the best way to go about fixing this? Thanks for any help! Smitty121981 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Smitty! I added the {{reflist}} template to the references section as shown here so your new inline refs would show up better. The other three references are not cited in line with ref parameters. Hope that helps!--MONGO 17:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thanks MONGO! Just what I needed Smitty121981 (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey MONGO, I hope we can resolve our differences on the September 11 Attack talk page. Just reminding you of this advice I sought from you a week or two back (on a non-9/11 related article). It was good advice and I appreciated it. Smitty121981 (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm always happy to help with things as above but now that you've been once again (as you were in 2011) reminded that you could be subject to discretionary sanctions regarding your disruption in 9/11 articles, the hope is you will return to non disruptive editing.--MONGO 23:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


[7] That editor is doing exactly what he's supposed to do; he's calmly and reasonably discussing content changes on the article talk page. In response, you shut down the discussion and threatened the editor. That's exactly the opposite of what is supposed to take place on an article talk page and you know it. I'm formally asking you to stop. Cla68 (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey MONGO, don't take the bait. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Cla68 is just jealous is all.--MONGO 23:19, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


It might be a better idea to just ignore him. He hasn't brought anything new to the table and he's not convincing anyone. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Parking spot[edit]

List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Nebraska

Um, excuse me?[edit]

That edit summary was a bit harsh. All I did was add a few sources to back up some uncited material. Could you please try to be nicer?--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 21:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

How many battles shall yea wage at once?--MONGO 21:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

great image[edit]

Photographer Barnstar.png The Photographer's Barnstar
Your image of the bull elk is fabulous!! rogerd (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much kind sir! That critter was about five feet tall at th shoulder and maybe another three feet to the top of his antlers. From the front the antlers were close to six feet across! I don't think I have ever gotten a photographer's barnstar before...many thanks and good to seen you around these parts!--MONGO 01:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of William F. Raynolds[edit]

The article William F. Raynolds you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:William F. Raynolds for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Nikkimaria -- Nikkimaria (talk) 23:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

September 11 Attacks RfC[edit]

hi MONGO, not trying to bother you, but you said "Oppose as written" so I am just coming here to let you know that I revised the proposed wording on the RfC to something which I hope is much more neutrally worded, in case you'd like to take another look. Thanks. Smitty121981 (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Allow me to be brutally honest. I oppose your ongoing efforts to minimize facts with your POV pushing of fantasies about the events of 9/11. I do not now nor will I ever support further discussion about these fantasies on an article dedicated to the known evidence...the reason we have articles about the conspiracy theories is so they can be discussed there in accordance with SCOPE and FOCUS. I think you should be topic banned from 9/11 related articles. As I already are in essence a Single Purpose Account and the textbook example of a Civil POV pusher.--MONGO 18:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
ANI and ArbCom would certainly be options under those circumstances.John Carter (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok MONGO, I understand your position on the proposal now, sorry for misinterpreting your words. There is no need to be 'brutal' however, and I must ask: will you please stop making any further accusations unless you are able to provide solid evidence for such? Before claiming that I am a WP:SPA you will want to check out the following non-trivial contributions I've recently made to topics that are completely unrelated to 9/11, and then compare to recent contributions I've made to pages that are related to 9/11. See how it adds up. [8][9][10][11][12][13][14]. I was even thanked by another editor for this one [15]. @John Carter: you are also encouraged to review my edit history, as well as what other editors have said about me at the RfC [16][17][18] before jumping to any conclusions. Thanks. Smitty121981 (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This discussion should be on the article Talk page and not here. Smitty121981 just will not accept consensus on 9/11 and keeps adding further comments to try and confuse the issue at hand. I have news for this "editor", absolutely no-one has changed their views - accept consensus please. As for the WP:SPA badge, it is fully justified, a few window dressing edits will not change the charge. You were rebuffed some years ago with your theories and have been rebuffed again. I repeat, the your issues should be on the correct conspiracy page - and not here. David J Johnson (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC) post on my page again about your 9/11 arguments and I'm marching to arbitration enforcement and getting you topic banned...consider this my final warning.--MONGO 21:01, 30 August 2014 (UTC)