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Help on a new template

Hi @Moneytrees, I'm writing to you as you are the creator of Template:Uw-unattribcc, the warning template for Creative Commons licensed text. I've seen that we don't have a warning template for Open Government licensed text and decided to create one (Template:Uw-unattribogl). Since I used your template as a base, I'd like to ask you to take a look at it if you think it looks alright. Thanks Nobody (talk) 07:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 Thanks a ton for doing that, although I was recently thinking to myself if the "unattributed license copy" warning was redundant to the "public domain copy" warning, and if the two could be merged. So personally, I think that the open government license stuff could maybe be merged to the unattribcc template? I'm thinking that in part of wanting to make the copyright patrol area more accessible to outsiders. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 23:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Moneytrees I get what you mean. The wording for CC, OGL and PD can be added using a template parameter. But I'm not sure if that would work with Twinkle and RedWarn and what the name of the template would be. Thoughts? Nobody (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 I'm not sure if that's even needed per se, I was thinking of just changing the wording on Uw-unattribcc to something like "a source under a license compatible with Wikipedia", as both templates just link to WP:COMPLIC, which gives the same instructions regardless. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 04:14, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Moneytrees That's could work too. I'm thinking there could be a standard text, something like the one you propose, that could be changed to a specific license type using a parameter.

Example: {{subst:Uw-unattrib|Article text was inserted into}} for the standard text, {{subst:Uw-unattrib|Article text was inserted into|license=cc}} for Creative Commons,

{{subst:Uw-unattrib|Article text was inserted into|license=ogl}} for Open Government Licence. Nobody (talk) 05:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 I think that would be a good idea and I would approve of making it a thing, with the default being "source under a compatible license". Getting the unatribbcc stuff into Twinkle was a bit of a process, see User_talk:Amorymeltzer/Archive_24#Template:Uw-unattribcc. It got added in an update not too long after. Currently Amory is on a break though. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Moneytrees I have an idea of how to make it work with Twinkle and RedWarn, but I am not sure if it's possible. My idea is that using Uw-unattrib implements the standard text, using Uw-unattribcc implements {{Uw-unattrib|license=cc}}, using Uw-unattribogl implements {{Uw-unattrib|license=ogl}} and using Uw-unattribpd implements {{Uw-unattrib|license=pd}}. Nobody (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 Couldn't that be implemented with the previously described parameter, rather than creating separate pages? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding parameters. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 00:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Moneytrees If using the template by hand, the parameter should work, but with tools like Twinkle and RedWarn, you can't add optional parameters (I think). But I'm not sure where one would ask for help/assistance in creating some test templates. WP:VPT? Nobody (talk) 05:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 I'm not really sure where that go either, I'd guess VPT or the associated Twinkle/Redwarn talk pages. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my goofs at that RfA3 page!

Thanks for this. I probably should have double checked to make sure there weren't any more errors when I realized that this was in the table, but I didn't, and you beat me to it :) casualdejekyll 15:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia and copyright

Thanks for your message. I have already replied it in my talk page. --Wengier (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

(responded there now) Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Requesting to be unblocked

Sorry, I didn't actually get blocked folks. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Moneytrees (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: (sorry about length) Hello, I know that I have caused some editors on here grief and for that I apologize. I request a second chance, a chance to contribute to Wikipedia once again. The reason in which I was initially blocked was for copy and pasting. At the time I was trying to rush and make many articles at once, I would copy sections of an article and then rewrite it, I got sloppy and put some through which where checked by a administrator who put a ban on me. I 100% understand, especially now the seriousness of copyright laws and how important it is to write something in your own words for legal reasons. I can certainly assure you that if I am allowed to return, that will never be an issue again. The reason in which I was further banned from editing is more of an series of unfortunate circumstances. It all started over the result of the end of the Quebec biker War, an article that I had read stated that the conflict ended due to a police stalemate. I didn't know that there was many sources stating that it was a Hell's Angels victory, I would have been open to discussion but it just kept getting deleted. When I had been already blocked for the copy pasting stuff, I saw that someone had changed the result and removed what I thought to be a legitimate reference. I did not even know what sock puppetry was at the time and I walked right into it unfortunately. I edited when I was banned. Everything just spiraled out of control from there, I was not in a very good place in my personal life and I relied on editing on Wikipedia to escape from those issues. So being blocked I just became increasingly frustrated and got myself into a hole that I might not be able to get out of. If I have been in a better place at the time I probably would have just talked it out and everything would have been fine. I have made some edits that can be considered destructive, especially when I was frustrated when this all happened. But these were reverted by the editor that I had issues with. And for that I do apologize I know it is not constructive. In the past since I owned many books relating to these subjects I had read them before. Points during editing I had become lazy and was entering knowledge without properly referencing it. This led to issues with this other editor. However they don't actually check the information to see if they can find a reference they just removed it which is fine. But I am capable of finding the references now and fixing any of my mistakes. I ask for that chance. I have made other edits, especially if I see something that does not adequately speak about or properly depict history. For example I made an edit to the Frank Lenti article, one point of view about him being removed from the club that has been completely erased from history. I simply added that apparently he had been removed from the Loners and had been forced to join the Satan's Choice when he returned to Ontario. It came from a credible source. This was removed by an editor that I have had constant issues with but I bear no grudge against. I do believe it is simply important to mention both points of view so and so said this, but this could also be what happened. That is a common thing on Wikipedia where multiple points of view are mentioned. Anyway I digress, while not all may have been done right, edits I have made have been constructive. When I look at certain some articles and I see that aspects of history aren't properly written or go unmentioned. As a historian this bothers me. For example the Quebec Biker War article. Langton is seen as a credible source however he even admits that he has had slip-ups in the past. The criminal world is a fickle thing and sometimes even for these writers or police they don't really know what is going on until someone talks. Langton's references were the only thing they used at the end of the article and it just basically depicts that the Hells Angels destroyed all opposition and they face no competition whatsoever or possible future chance of competition. It basically implies that these other groups are crippled and mostly disappeared. I tried to add information stating that it was almost opposite, for example the Loners and the Rock Machine are much larger now than they ever have been, and the Outlaws have made significant steps to recover in Canada (right now despite continued Police crackdowns, the Outlaws have the largest presence in Canada that they have ever possessed). None of this is depicted, not just that the reemergence of the Rock Machine as a gang limited to a single sentence and it is claimed by Langton that the gang only exists on the internet, I guess some police officer told him that (there was this one faction in the club that was accused of just selling patches so it could have been due to that but they are a real club not an internet club). As they have been involved in several high-profile incidents including another conflict with the Hells Angels in Manitoba from 2009-2011, they have also had dozens of members arrested on three separate continents. The ending portion of the article specifically talks only about Hell's Angels and that's it. Even though paid assassin Gerard Gallant turned informant in 2009. Due to this, members of the Alliance and the Rock Machine have been charged since the end of the conflict as well, I tried to add that with a legitimate reference but it was deleted. Anyway I'm not going to go on too much about it but that is just an example. I did view my investigation page, I saw this other editor basically watching everyone who was editing this pages. Some edits were legitimately not even me. I was accused of being associated with several criminal organizations (which I am not and never have been, I assume the reason behind this was that I was entering information that may have seemed more personal, it was not, it was simply information i had read somewhere and didn't properly reference it). I have never met Wayne Kellestine... I have never been to Vancouver in my life... Either way, I request fair trial and again I apologize for what I have done in the past. I have learned my lesson through the stress being blocked brought me. If I am allowed to edit again I will show good conduct, I will make sure to follow Wikipedias guidelines, and I will do my best to start contributing as a member of the community. If I am not unbanned, which there is a good chance I may not. I shall address these issue via pages talk pages. I will do it the right way with proper discussion and references, I will not insult or argue. 2607:FEA8:2900:E2E0:1AB:A8E3:26DC:BD24 (talk) 07:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC) Decline reason: The proper place to make this request in on your user talk page while logged in to your account. If you don't have talk page access, use WP:UTRS. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 10 September 2023 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This request was made by an IP. It would be a lot better if it was significantly shorter- but I don't see a block of any kind on this account- which block is being appealled? 331dot (talk) 08:42, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@331dot presumably Contribs/CanadianHistorian – Isochrone (T) 10:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Another Wiki User. Thank you. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 18:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

September flowers

September songs

my story today

The flowers seem to weep in memory. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I wonder - having seen the images of him - if the talk header on Richard's talk could be replaced by something more personal, perhaps with an image. - I met that thing ({{talk header}}) as designed for contentious pages where people had to be told to assume good faith. A simple image, link to an obit, and link to the archives might work better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I just looked at User talk:Kbthompson, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, thank you for the flowers. I feel like the question of a photo choice might be better for someone who met Nbb in person, but looking over recent deceased editor's talk pages it seems the template/archive notice mostly stays the same. In some cases like User talk:SlimVirgin I think the image goes with a memorial well and is a good encapsulation. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 14:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I think I wasn't clear. No question that there should be a link to the archives, especially as even the last version was archived. (When I die, please leave my talk as it is.) In the example you see how it could be done. The talkheader template serves no purpose: people come mourning and distressed, and don't need to be told that they should assume good faith. You have it yourself, and will have a reason, but I was told (by Iridescent) that it was designed for talk pages with a load of disagreement. I prefer the design for User talk:Dreadstar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt Ah I see what you are saying. Maybe an "Talk Archive of Deceased editor" option could be added; ideally it'd be more brief and look like the more minimal section here. I'm not too spry on template work though so I'm not sure if/when I'd get to it. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 03:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Friendly? Reminder

Hello, may I remind you of WP:SORRY? In the The ANI of me created partly because of Awesome Aasim's opinions, I apologized. Then you proceeded to respond with more than "you closed your own ANI". Thanks, Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk, contribs) (talk) 19:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Page Move Issue

Hi, I am not sure if this is the correct place to ask for help but if it is, I accidentally moved the wrong page can you please revert this. [1] History6042 (talk) 20:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@History6042 I've done that now. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. History6042 (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Procedural question on what to do when finding copyvios

Hi. I'm never sure what the appropriate course of action is for copyvios and since I come across them a fair bit, I thought I should ask you. This one is the most recent. Is this the sort of thing that requires revdeleting? Incidentally, I'm often surprised that people can be closely discussing copyvio text without pulling it, as here. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 06:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@SashiRolls Yeah that's a copyright violation for sure (the 2017 ip edit that added it is an obvious paste) and it should be removed, but since it's on the smaller side and there's a lot of intervening edits, I don't think it needs to be revision deleted. If it was larger, like a few paragraphs, then I think revdel would be warrented. Thank you, Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. That's usually roughly the size of things I find (not all that often, really, but often enough), so I'm glad to know that just reverting them is sufficient. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 20:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@SashiRolls no problem, and if you want meatier things there's always Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Sayerslle... Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

At long last

		The Copyright Barnstar
		Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/ItsLassieTime is now history. Scorpions1325 and I may have been the editors who cleaned the final article, but we stood on the shoulders of giants. Thank you for all your hard work. — SamX [talk · contribs] 03:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Another Wiki User, talk page access

Are you monitoring Another Wiki User the 2nd's use of their talk page? They don't seem to understand why their block was instated. They seem to still be treating Wikipedia like a game on their talk page. Awesome Aasim 14:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim Yeah, but some of their recent posting has been in response to you. I think it's best to just leave their talk page alone and wait until they appeal. If they continue to post silliness, I'll revoke it. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 15:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Worried

Thought I'd let slip some arcane knowledge there or something! Girth Summit _(blether) 20:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Girth Summit No, I was just checking my watchlist for a few seconds with live updates on, I went to click something but your edit and the associated rollback prompt appeared as I was clicking it... Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

why

You removed the following for no attribution:

She was so well known by the 1920s that a Harlem Renaissance poet, Georgia Douglas Johnson, wrote a poem about her. The poem was rather contrary and spoke about her professional difficulties and how they could have resulted from her grim outlook on life; but also suggests that she deserved more praise and attention than she was getting. The poem, "To May Howard Jackson, Sculptor," is as follows, (Kirschke),

You saw the vision in the face of clay

And fixed it through the magic of a hand

Obedient unto the will's command

In forms impervious to Time's decay:

Historian of bloods that interplay

Confusedly within a cryptic land

You've Chiseled, and your work of art shall stand

To gem the archives of a better day

Alone, far from the touch of kindred mind

You've mounted with a grim, determined zeal,

Despite environment austere, unkind,

Or frozen fingers clenched to your appeal

You've held the ardor of your first ideal

Robed in queenly majesty, resaned

I'm here to ask 'why'CaptJayRuffins (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @CaptJayRuffins, at the time I made that edit with a rather idiotic and regrettable edit summary, I was reviewing articles that had been edited by BeeCeePhoto, who had been blocked for copyright/plagiarism issues. Looking back over the edits they had made to May_Howard_Jackson, they didn't have to do with that passage though. While it isn't cited inline, the person who said it is attributed so it's not such a big deal really, with the experience I have now I probably wouldn't have removed it. If you want to re add it with a citation I have no objection. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Question

I'm already past my word count at arb com and cant pose the question there, so I am just going to ask you here. Are there going to be checks done to ensure Lourdes is not operating sleeper accounts? Noah, AA^Talk 14:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Nvm appears Izno answered my question there. Noah, AA^Talk 15:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah @Hurricane Noah, in cases like this you can usually count on someone having run a check. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

As they say, it's better to be safe than sorry. Noah, AA^Talk 16:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Question about CCI

Hi, you said in your CCI guide that text can't be imported under cc-by-sa-4.0, but this contrasts information here. I think it has changed due to the recent upgrade of licence. — MATRIX! (a good person!)^{[citation unneeded]} 18:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Matrix Thanks, I thought I had fixed that a few months ago. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with your comment re RfA

Hi MoneyTrees, I didn't want to clutter up the RfA for 0xDeadbeef, but wanted to let you know that I agree with your comment that it's good to see the community backing away from exorbitantly high expectations for admin candidates. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:39, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz Thank you, I'm not sure if this will stick but one can hope. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

October songs

my story today

I agree with the thanks! - Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

And now I see that Moneytrees has been quoted in the Signpost! I share your befuddlement. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

(Link to the story) Yes @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, it's probably the strangest thing to happen during my service on Arbcom. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for quoting me on Twitter Annie Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For unintentionally writing possibly the funniest pull quote in Signpost history. Made me laugh. Thank you. :) Schierbecker (talk) 23:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Contributor clean-up/Qworty

Hi Moneytrees, I stumbled across the Qworty cleanup project. Since you were the last person to check one of Qworty's edits, just wanted to let you know that I've gone through all of his sock edits and cleaned up the few that were somehow still remaining after 15+ years, meaning one of the 4 pages (albeit the shortest one) is all finished. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Sgubaldo, it's important work. I've meant to get to it, but I've been busy with other stuff- it's one of those things that's become a rainy day activity. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 23:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)