User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

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More photos for aces[edit]

{{PD-SDASM}} Hello,

For whatever obscure whim, I returned to Flickr and found another bunch of World War I pilots. If you would care to insert these into articles, here's the list:

Fritz Beckhardt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917878/in/photostream/

Josef Mai = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917544/in/photostream/

Hantlemann is third from left @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917470/in/photostream/

Gustav Dorr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911985/in/photostream/

Heinrich Kroll = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911761/in/photostream/

Oskar Hennrich = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911397/in/photostream/

Karl Bolle = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911101/in/photostream/

Otto Schmidt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911075/in/photostream/

Erik Thomas = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091916220/in/photostream/

Adolf von Tutschek = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910225/in/photostream/

Otto Parschau = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910211/in/photostream/

Friedrich von Roeth = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091915434/in/photostream/

Hans Muller (later Hans Garrelt) = http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/muller1.php

Rudolf Berthold = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091913128/in/photostream/

Hans Berr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907755/in/photostream/

Hans von Adam = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907583/in/photostream/

Hans-Joachim Buddecke (in Ottoman uniform) = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907541/in/photostream/

Friedrich Manschott = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912652/in/photostream/

Karl Allmenroeder = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912566/in/photostream/

Karl Thom = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907169/in/photostream/

Gustav Leffers = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912402/in/photostream/

Max Ritter von Mueller = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907019/in/photostream/

Incidentally, Beckhardt's photo was misidentified as Hermann Gilly, so I removed it from the Gilly article. However, as Gilly never flew a Siemens-Schuckert D.IIInor had a personal insignia of a swastika, it is obviously a (poor) photo of Beckhardt.

I hope you will post these, as I seem to be moderately hopeless at the task.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


And please tell me if you want more.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


File:Boelckeo.JPG[edit]

Please remember that you are "indefinitely prohibited from uploading images or other media files to the English Wikipedia." (from your Wikipedia:Editing restrictions). Your upload of a new version of File:Boelckeo.JPG is a violation of that restriction. Fram (talk) 14:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Take it to Arbitration, I do not see adjusting the contrast of an existing image as a violation. Thank you for your concern. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I have no ambition to get you blocked for this. I don't think it is a smart move to test the boundaries of your restrictions though. Doing such things too often or too blatantly will get you blocked again, and for a longer time, and also reduce your chances of getting the restrictions lifted or modified. Fram (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement is not meant to be a punishment, it is designed to remedy a specific problem, which was uploading questionable content. If content is already vetted, and I adjust the contrast, it is not a violation of that restriction. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
No, our policies are meant to prevent copyright violations. Restrictions are meant to save people the effort of having to check every edit an editor makes to see whether it violates our policies. "You are not allowed to upload questionable content" (or "to link to copyright violations", and so on) are policies which apply to everyone. "You are not allowed to upload any files" is a restriction which is much more strict, and which only applies to you. Claiming that if an upload (or article creation, or whatever) doesn't violate our policies, it should be allowed, is ignoring your restrictions. Fram (talk) 15:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Then take it to arbitration, so it can be made clearer. I can see that it is bothering you greatly, so have it cleared up. I do not see it as a potential copyright violation. You certainly are the Javert of Wikipedia. So please take it to arbitration. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Please keep your personal attacks to yourself. If I thought this was a copyright violation, you would have been at arbitration enforcement. I said that it was a restriction violation. I can't help you if you can't see the difference between those two. Fram (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
You also see personal attacks when there are none ... --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Comparing people to fictional characters who are described in the novel as "a fanatic" and "[he] was to be pitied, as is every ignorant man who triumphs." and by critics as "He is "one of the most tragic legalists in Western literature" and "the consummate legalist"." is a personal attack. That "[he] finds himself unable to reconcile his life's work pursuing criminals with the nobility and justice shown him by the man he thought was a criminal, and takes his own life by jumping off a bridge into the river Seine." (as our article describes it) only makes it worse. Fram (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
You do seem to me to be a somewhat fanatical legalist. Fanatical in watching my every edit. Legalistic in declaring that altering the contrast of an existing image is a violation of the ban and that restoring someone else's edit is a copyright violation. You are looking for a "gotcha" moment to get me permanently blocked, I would say the moniker is apt. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

"Died on birthday" lists[edit]

Hi Richard, I'm trying to work on the MfD backlog. Are you intending to maintain User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/List of people who died on their birthdays as well as User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Death on Birthday? Also pinging Buddy431, whose User:Buddy431/List of people who died on their birthdays is at MfD but may be inactive. Obviously, if the intent is to try such a list in mainspace again, it makes sense to maintain one of these lists collaboratively. If the intent is to keep them in userspace indefinitely, I'm afraid I have to agree that the pages should be deleted. --BDD (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I was migrating raw data from "List" to "Death" and I am not sure I finished all the data. I will work on it more and delete the ones migrated from the old list and then have just one version. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. This may be worth mentioning at the MfD. --BDD (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Arbcom amendment request[edit]

Your amendment request has been declined by the committee.

On a personal note, I have worked on your CCI in the past, and worked with you on it. I would be happy to do so again, which is likely to persuade the committee to a different opinion. I am recovering form some minor health issues, so my schedule is backed up at the moment, but if you are willing, I could start something in a few days or a week or so.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Saint Peters Churchyard[edit]

Back in 2010, you built a page for Saint Peters Churchyard. Do you see any reason that page shouldn't be merged with St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Perth Amboy, New Jersey), or simply deleted and a redirect added? Generic1139 (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Good call, done! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harris Isbell[edit]

I found an additional source, so I broke out a separate section on "Drug Policy". You might find it interesting.

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Hospital death lists[edit]

Do we generally do these? I can't recall seeing any others. BMK (talk) 19:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned about WP:WEIGHT. BMK (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Weight is a large essay, what specifically in WP:WEIGHT are you referring to? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

The fact that there's very little about the history or functioning of the hospital in the article,because it's primarily about the historic status of the building, and then out of nowhere there's a list of people who died there. Don't you think that a bit undue? BMK (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
No, or I wouldn't be adding it. Just like having residents of cities, we have deaths at hospitals. If it wasn't a notable fact it would not be mentioned in an obituary. Obituaries do not mention hat size or shoe size, but they mention the hospital you died at, or if you died at home. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Pardon me, I thought perhaps you just hadn't thought about the potential weight problem, instead of having considered it and rejected it. I think you're wrong, just as you are wrong about the redlink on a person who will never have an article here, but I'll let another editor deal with it, if anyone else ever edits the article. BMK (talk) 20:10, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:REDNOT[edit]

Avoiding creation of certain types of red links

Do not create red links to articles that are not likely to be created ... Red links to personal names should be avoided ... Frequently a red-linked name has been placed in an article, and subsequently a different editor has created an article about an entirely different person with the same or a similar name.

BMK (talk) 20:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I think what we have is a subjective question of whether he will have an article. I can 100% guarantee you didn't even do a Google search to see how much information is available on him. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
    • And I can guarantee you that no one is ever going to write an article about an obscure actor with no film credits and only 5 Broadway appearances in minor roles. I'm all in favor of redlinks when there's a reasonable chance of an article coming along, but this ain't one of them. Your intransigence in this matter is a mystery to me. BMK (talk) 20:26, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Then bring my already written article to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)