User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )

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In recognition[edit]

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Awarded for excellent biographical articles on historical personalities in aviation Lovibond (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

More photos for aces[edit]

{{PD-SDASM}} Hello,

For whatever obscure whim, I returned to Flickr and found another bunch of World War I pilots. If you would care to insert these into articles, here's the list:

Fritz Beckhardt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917878/in/photostream/

Josef Mai = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917544/in/photostream/

Hantlemann is third from left @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917470/in/photostream/

Gustav Dorr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911985/in/photostream/

Heinrich Kroll = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911761/in/photostream/

Oskar Hennrich = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911397/in/photostream/ Karl Bolle = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911101/in/photostream/

Otto Schmidt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911075/in/photostream/

Erik Thomas = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091916220/in/photostream/

Adolf von Tutschek = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910225/in/photostream/

Otto Parschau = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910211/in/photostream/

Friedrich von Roeth = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091915434/in/photostream/

Hans Muller (later Hans Garrelt) = http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/muller1.php

Rudolf Berthold = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091913128/in/photostream/

Hans Berr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907755/in/photostream/

Hans von Adam = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907583/in/photostream/

Hans-Joachim Buddecke (in Ottoman uniform) = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907541/in/photostream/

Friedrich Manschott = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912652/in/photostream/

Karl Allmenroeder = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912566/in/photostream/

Karl Thom = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907169/in/photostream/

Gustav Leffers = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912402/in/photostream/

Max Ritter von Mueller = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907019/in/photostream/

Incidentally, Beckhardt's photo was misidentified as Hermann Gilly, so I removed it from the Gilly article. However, as Gilly never flew a Siemens-Schuckert D.IIInor had a personal insignia of a swastika, it is obviously a (poor) photo of Beckhardt.

I hope you will post these, as I seem to be moderately hopeless at the task.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


And please tell me if you want more.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


File:Boelckeo.JPG[edit]

Please remember that you are "indefinitely prohibited from uploading images or other media files to the English Wikipedia." (from your Wikipedia:Editing restrictions). Your upload of a new version of File:Boelckeo.JPG is a violation of that restriction. Fram (talk) 14:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Take it to Arbitration, I do not see adjusting the contrast of an existing image as a violation. Thank you for your concern. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I have no ambition to get you blocked for this. I don't think it is a smart move to test the boundaries of your restrictions though. Doing such things too often or too blatantly will get you blocked again, and for a longer time, and also reduce your chances of getting the restrictions lifted or modified. Fram (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement is not meant to be a punishment, it is designed to remedy a specific problem, which was uploading questionable content. If content is already vetted, and I adjust the contrast, it is not a violation of that restriction. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
No, our policies are meant to prevent copyright violations. Restrictions are meant to save people the effort of having to check every edit an editor makes to see whether it violates our policies. "You are not allowed to upload questionable content" (or "to link to copyright violations", and so on) are policies which apply to everyone. "You are not allowed to upload any files" is a restriction which is much more strict, and which only applies to you. Claiming that if an upload (or article creation, or whatever) doesn't violate our policies, it should be allowed, is ignoring your restrictions. Fram (talk) 15:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Then take it to arbitration, so it can be made clearer. I can see that it is bothering you greatly, so have it cleared up. I do not see it as a potential copyright violation. You certainly are the Javert of Wikipedia. So please take it to arbitration. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Please keep your personal attacks to yourself. If I thought this was a copyright violation, you would have been at arbitration enforcement. I said that it was a restriction violation. I can't help you if you can't see the difference between those two. Fram (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
You also see personal attacks when there are none ... --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Comparing people to fictional characters who are described in the novel as "a fanatic" and "[he] was to be pitied, as is every ignorant man who triumphs." and by critics as "He is "one of the most tragic legalists in Western literature" and "the consummate legalist"." is a personal attack. That "[he] finds himself unable to reconcile his life's work pursuing criminals with the nobility and justice shown him by the man he thought was a criminal, and takes his own life by jumping off a bridge into the river Seine." (as our article describes it) only makes it worse. Fram (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
You do seem to me to be a somewhat fanatical legalist. Fanatical in watching my every edit. Legalistic in declaring that altering the contrast of an existing image is a violation of the ban and that restoring someone else's edit is a copyright violation. You are looking for a "gotcha" moment to get me permanently blocked, I would say the moniker is apt. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

"Died on birthday" lists[edit]

Hi Richard, I'm trying to work on the MfD backlog. Are you intending to maintain User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/List of people who died on their birthdays as well as User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Death on Birthday? Also pinging Buddy431, whose User:Buddy431/List of people who died on their birthdays is at MfD but may be inactive. Obviously, if the intent is to try such a list in mainspace again, it makes sense to maintain one of these lists collaboratively. If the intent is to keep them in userspace indefinitely, I'm afraid I have to agree that the pages should be deleted. --BDD (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I was migrating raw data from "List" to "Death" and I am not sure I finished all the data. I will work on it more and delete the ones migrated from the old list and then have just one version. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. This may be worth mentioning at the MfD. --BDD (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Hmm - not quite clear where to put this point, but I guessed something on the talk page of the "died on birthday" list, where the truth was the converse of what I guessed. According to this study -- https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/socmed/v126y2015icp59-66.html -- you're 6.7% more likely to die on your birthday than would be explained by chance. Suicide and partying seem to be the culprits. Nightspore (talk) 13:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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AFD Catherine Uhlmyer & Adella Wotherspoon[edit]

I see that these articles you created have been around for a while, but unfortunately I don't think they meet the WP:ONEEVENT criteria for notability and have nominated them both for deletion at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catherine Uhlmyer. AHeneen (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

polo player userpage[edit]

Can you please add in-line references for the early life and personal life sections?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

OK I've moved it. Good job. Do let me know if you want to work on other polo players (especially more recent ones?).Zigzig20s (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Fiona Graham[edit]

Hi Richard, re: the report on RfPP, you've been reverting a lot to restore that birth year. It might be best to leave it out until a wider consensus forms, especially as it might be the subject removing it, and you don't know which year is correct. Best, Sarah (SV) (talk) 02:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you cite some actual Wikipedia policy that says 5 - 1 = 0? You are using the fallacy of false equivalency as your argument. The subjects of articles do not get to override Wikipedia policy. They want the publicity of being in Wikipedia and also want to be the editors and remove what they do not like. You cannot have it both ways. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete longevity claims[edit]

I think you're thinking of the content at Longevity myths or List of people reported to have lived beyond 130 (I don't know why 130). If the content was fleshed out (mythology, rumors, issues with inability to determine time properly) with actual secondary sources, I think the "incomplete" content could be merged into the myths article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Malcolm Orme Little[edit]

Yes. I checked with Laffaye. "Malcolm Little, 9th Lancers."Zigzig20s (talk) 21:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Added Lawley as well, for which Laffaye is explicit. The one I am unsure about is Thomas Hone for now.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. If you'd like to expand Tommy Biddle, feel free to do so btw.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Are you interested in helping me out with more recent polo players like Nina Clarkin as well please? Also, it looks like Tommy Biddle's father also went by the same name, which is very confusing.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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JDR Parkway[edit]

Hi Richard. I was in discussion with several other users about the naming of the John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Parkway and we all agreed that no comma might be better, though I also agree that our naming convention should match offical naming done by the entities that manage things. You may wish to add discussion at Talk:John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Memorial Parkway and/or at the MOS discussion.--MONGO 01:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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This edit might work, hmmmm...I'll add a ref for it. Shearonink (talk) 23:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Polo pictures[edit]

I am not sure, but I will ask around.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Programmability of Colossus computer[edit]

Back in November 2012 you changed the description in the lead of this article from "was at all programmable" to "was programmable". I wasn't entirely happy with that, but let it be whilst I investigated further. Colossus is described by some as programmable, by others as "semi-programmable", and some deny that it was programmable in any modern sense. The way that it was set up to perform a particular task was by operating switches and plugging on a patch panel. I therefore plan to return to the "at all" wording and hope that you won't disagree. --TedColes (talk) 09:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

As written I have no idea what "at all programmable" means. It just sounds like poor grammar. Can't you think of a way to phrase it where it has some meaning to someone who is not involved with the debate. Can't you just say "programmable". --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Please be cautious...[edit]

...when editing and commenting at Griffin. I just got my first ever ARB warning for a smiley face comment (all of 7 words) regarding another editor's mistaken comment about RS. edit. I see you received your gift from ARBCOM. Ironically, they can't imagine why we're seeing so many R-E-T-I-R-E-D banners across so many different user pages of GF editors. Well, maybe I can. AtsmeConsult 06:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Please do! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Actually, my mistake, you have now exceeded 3RR, so again I'd suggest you self-revert. Counting: the series of edits yesterday, and then [1], [2], and [3]. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:38, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not going to template you, Mr. Norton, but I think that you should not be reinserting your edits on Griffin after they've been reverted by others. In the case of the lede bit about Jekyll Island, I believe you've done this more than once now. Please self-revert. You may have engaged with this article unaware of the recent contentious history, but now that it's been pointed out to you in the wake of your edits, I hope you'll adjust your approach. At the least, I urge you to undo any of your edits which have reinserted text that others have reverted. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 20:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia rules about potentially libellous labels cannot be overridden by consensus. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libelous." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
A comment or two

I didn't want to mess up your TP with an entirely new section, so I scooted down so I wouldn't be associated with the above activity. I believe if you engage the interaction tool and feed it names, you will be enlightened by the harmony. But I imagine you already knew that considering the length of time you've been an editor. Just wondering - do you know if members of a cabal are subject to WP:OWN individually or as a group? I guess ARBCOM serves the aggregate but individuals are sentenced separately, right? AtsmeConsult 00:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Richard, please don't make personal or off-topic remarks on the article talk page. You've stepped into a difficult and fraught environment. SPECIFICO talk 00:53, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

What are you referring to? A clue would be helpful, tell which article you are referring to and what comments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Mary Margaret O'Reilly[edit]

I see your draft in your userspace. I have a fairly detailed article in part on her from the Journal of Numismatic Research. Would you prefer I inserted the material, or should I just email you the article? (I have the print version)--Wehwalt (talk) 02:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

It's live, now, Mary Margaret O'Reilly. Would you like to submit it for DYK under both our names?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
It is all yours, I just created a stub from the Library of Congress photo. They are releasing more photos this Friday at Flickr if you want to help. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I would like to, but it always seems two steps forward and three back on the writing. Thanks for creating it anyway.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

British generals[edit]

Yes. When I come across one, I add him. Kittybrewster 12:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

NYT favor?[edit]

Our article on Frank R. Paul says he was born in Vienna, and seems to cite the NYT's obit for him; however, the index at PulpArtists.com says he was born in Radkersburg (and that his birth name was "Rudolph Franz Paul"). I don't have access to that NYT page; could you check if whether it specifically says "Vienna", whether it mentions his birth name, etc? Thanks. DS (talk) 13:50, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

  • My subscription just expired, but I will ask a third party to forward it to me. I will also create an entry for him at Familysearch, the Mormon genealogy website, the New York Times subscription lets me post the articles for non commercial purposes, and the website is free, but requires registration. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I added some information from the census, I have not found his naturalization, and it looks like he never had a passport. I think his oldest daughter still lives here in New Jersey. I will try and contact her is she still has a land line and ask for a better photo. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I changed it to the new name and added what you have shown, I will do more searching under his birth name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about black lists[edit]

I don't get the concept, or why we even have such a thing. Can you provide some insight?

  1. What causes a site to be blacklisted?
  2. Who makes that determination?
  3. Once a site is blacklisted, can it be unblacklisted, and if so, what is the process?

Thx in advance. AtsmeConsult 19:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

See MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#whale.to.2Fcancer.2Fgriffin14.html, just let it take care of itself, no need to leave a comment there. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Saunders[edit]

Sorry for the confusion. I moved it to William Lawrence Saunders. DGG ( talk ) 23:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

Just making sure you saw this. DS (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Mullers[edit]

Enrique Muller was a photographer who was born in Germany(?) in 1846, and came to America. His son, Robert Enrique Muller, also known as "E. Muller", was also a photographer. In order to distinguish photographs taken by the father from photographs taken by the son (for purposes of categorization), it would be useful to know the father's date of death; might you be able to help out in this respect? Thanks in advance. DS (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Enrique Muller (born December 1846) Robert Enrique Muller (born 1881) VIAF=170021621|LCCN=no2011057407

Given their (his?) association with the US Naval Base at Annapolis, I think it's safe to say that at least one of them lived in Maryland. DS (talk) 04:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and this is where I got the 1846 date. DS (talk) 04:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


Found them! They lived in Brooklyn, New York and December 1846 is correct. I will load the census image to Wiki Commons. Do you plan to start an entry for them, or should I? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Enrique Muller and Robert Enrique Muller in the 1900 US census living in Brooklyn, New York

It looks like his son Theodore Muller was also a photographer. User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Robert Enrique Muller

Could you do the articles? I've been loading up images from Chronicling America (plus I think you have access to more data about them than I do, at this point!). DS (talk) 11:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Here is an interesting article I found on the father or son: User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Enrique Muller
File:Enrique Muller in The Wilkes Barre Record May 10, 1912.jpg this probably the father's images. You can add it to the category if you think I am correct. The father would have been 67 years old, so maybe the son is the daredevil. I may have found the death date of the father but I am still not sure. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Octave Homberg (1876–1941)[edit]

Hi. Postscript to Template talk:Authority control#How many databases:

Wikidata pages are common for people who do have biographies in other-language wikipedias, such as Homberg-1876 — at French wp fr:Octave Homberg (1876-1941) and at Wikidata d:Q15969995. Re the latter, its WD page history shows that it was created automatically from the FR.wiki biography 12 months ago. Commonly such WD pages do carry useful authority identifiers, altho this one does not; maybe it's rare for those with unlabeled pagenames, [Q#########].

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Provincetown Players[edit]

I was glad to see that you have added some information to the Players article. I am working on this for a class project in Theater History. I will be loading more information and citations shortly and then nominating it for review. I hope you will share your thoughts in the peer review process. EDOrt (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)