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More photos for aces[edit]

{{PD-SDASM}} Hello,

For whatever obscure whim, I returned to Flickr and found another bunch of World War I pilots. If you would care to insert these into articles, here's the list:

Fritz Beckhardt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917878/in/photostream/

Josef Mai = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917544/in/photostream/

Hantlemann is third from left @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091917470/in/photostream/

Gustav Dorr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911985/in/photostream/

Heinrich Kroll = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911761/in/photostream/

Oskar Hennrich = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911397/in/photostream/

Karl Bolle = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911101/in/photostream/

Otto Schmidt = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091911075/in/photostream/

Erik Thomas = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091916220/in/photostream/

Adolf von Tutschek = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910225/in/photostream/

Otto Parschau = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091910211/in/photostream/

Friedrich von Roeth = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091915434/in/photostream/

Hans Muller (later Hans Garrelt) = http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/muller1.php

Rudolf Berthold = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091913128/in/photostream/

Hans Berr = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907755/in/photostream/

Hans von Adam = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907583/in/photostream/

Hans-Joachim Buddecke (in Ottoman uniform) = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907541/in/photostream/

Friedrich Manschott = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912652/in/photostream/

Karl Allmenroeder = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912566/in/photostream/

Karl Thom = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907169/in/photostream/

Gustav Leffers = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091912402/in/photostream/

Max Ritter von Mueller = http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/8091907019/in/photostream/

Incidentally, Beckhardt's photo was misidentified as Hermann Gilly, so I removed it from the Gilly article. However, as Gilly never flew a Siemens-Schuckert D.IIInor had a personal insignia of a swastika, it is obviously a (poor) photo of Beckhardt.

I hope you will post these, as I seem to be moderately hopeless at the task.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


And please tell me if you want more.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


File:Boelckeo.JPG[edit]

Please remember that you are "indefinitely prohibited from uploading images or other media files to the English Wikipedia." (from your Wikipedia:Editing restrictions). Your upload of a new version of File:Boelckeo.JPG is a violation of that restriction. Fram (talk) 14:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Take it to Arbitration, I do not see adjusting the contrast of an existing image as a violation. Thank you for your concern. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I have no ambition to get you blocked for this. I don't think it is a smart move to test the boundaries of your restrictions though. Doing such things too often or too blatantly will get you blocked again, and for a longer time, and also reduce your chances of getting the restrictions lifted or modified. Fram (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement is not meant to be a punishment, it is designed to remedy a specific problem, which was uploading questionable content. If content is already vetted, and I adjust the contrast, it is not a violation of that restriction. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
No, our policies are meant to prevent copyright violations. Restrictions are meant to save people the effort of having to check every edit an editor makes to see whether it violates our policies. "You are not allowed to upload questionable content" (or "to link to copyright violations", and so on) are policies which apply to everyone. "You are not allowed to upload any files" is a restriction which is much more strict, and which only applies to you. Claiming that if an upload (or article creation, or whatever) doesn't violate our policies, it should be allowed, is ignoring your restrictions. Fram (talk) 15:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Then take it to arbitration, so it can be made clearer. I can see that it is bothering you greatly, so have it cleared up. I do not see it as a potential copyright violation. You certainly are the Javert of Wikipedia. So please take it to arbitration. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Please keep your personal attacks to yourself. If I thought this was a copyright violation, you would have been at arbitration enforcement. I said that it was a restriction violation. I can't help you if you can't see the difference between those two. Fram (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
You also see personal attacks when there are none ... --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Comparing people to fictional characters who are described in the novel as "a fanatic" and "[he] was to be pitied, as is every ignorant man who triumphs." and by critics as "He is "one of the most tragic legalists in Western literature" and "the consummate legalist"." is a personal attack. That "[he] finds himself unable to reconcile his life's work pursuing criminals with the nobility and justice shown him by the man he thought was a criminal, and takes his own life by jumping off a bridge into the river Seine." (as our article describes it) only makes it worse. Fram (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
You do seem to me to be a somewhat fanatical legalist. Fanatical in watching my every edit. Legalistic in declaring that altering the contrast of an existing image is a violation of the ban and that restoring someone else's edit is a copyright violation. You are looking for a "gotcha" moment to get me permanently blocked, I would say the moniker is apt. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), this is a courtesy message to inform you that a clarification request regarding you has been closed and archived. The arbitrators are in agreement that if a user moves articles created by yourself to mainspace that user takes full responsibility for the content they moved, so should ensure that the content meets all Wikipedia policies and guidelines before moving it. The arbitrators are also in agreement that if you wish to have new articles in mainspace you appeal your ban to the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 05:37, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richard. I think they are hinting that you should apply for a modification of the conditions of your topic ban. We're into the elections now, so I'm not sure whether the good play is to go fast on this so that the current Arbs, who understand the case and are up to speed, can make a quick ruling; or whether you should wait until after the election and try your luck with a group with some new people and new attitudes. I guess that's ultimately your call. Let me know if I can assist you in any other way. best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 05:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't watched this page... I think the appeal goes to where we just were: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment. They actually could have done it at the same time, I think, but for whatever reason they just wanted to deal with the question Fram posed. As you have no doubt seen there is a new crop coming in and it looks like a fair number of reasonable people. I'd wait until January before making a new appeal. Good to see you racking up the new pieces; that will give you something to show when you make your appeal. Hope you have a good Christmas, best regards as always. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 07:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Access dates[edit]

I answered at my talk page, to keep the discussion together. Kraxler (talk) 18:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


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Hi Richard Arthur Norton, This is a courtesy notice to let you know that the John Lane Gardner article which you created has been nominated for deletion because it seems to be copy-pasted from one source (acute close paraphrasing) and relies almost entirely on that one source and because another article was created, John L. Gardner (brigadier general), using a more descriptive and conventional title which utilizes several sources and offers more extensive coverage. (I had created the newer article not knowing the former existed.) Also, using a person's full name in the title of a biography isn't usually done unless the person was known as such (e.g. John Wilkes Booth). A merge was originally proposed but the John Lane Gardner article only duplicates in small measure what already exists in the other article. Hope this meets with your approval. -- Gwillhickers 17:49, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad Tidings and all that ...[edit]

Bolas navideñas.jpg FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Richard Upjohn / Grace Church[edit]

Upjohn designed Grace Church is Brooklyn, not the one in Manhattan. That's the church the Times article is referring to. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. I will move it over. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Grave of Jacob Rutsen Hardenbergh[edit]

Hey Fellow Rutgers alum! I see that you uploaded photos and attended to the entry for Rev. Hardenbergh at findagrave.com. Is it possible you would upload the photos of his gravestone so they can be used on his article? Many thanks. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Strike that, I see now that Lee Irons uploaded those images at findagrave.com.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:11, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I did have photos there, but Findagrave removed all but one as "redundant". They left one slightly out-of-focus one that I didn't like, and removed. I can ask Lee Irons to release them under cc-2.0-by but when the author and uploader don't match they tend to get deleted anyway despite an OTSR letter. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Please check the references for 3 pages 1) Martineau family 2) James Martineau 30 Philip greehow Meadow cheers Mike tHanks so much - I am not good at this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.168.82 (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Fritz Schallwig[edit]

I just wrote this article for the German WP [1] and it turns out, that he cannot have died in WWI, because he won a race in 1921. --Nicola54 (talk) 16:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Excellent research. I will add the same note you wrote to the English version. I write all my articles based on the photos that are released to Flickr each Friday.
I see. I am an expert in the history of cycling :) Most of my articles are about this topic.
Anyway, I saw that you wrote articles about Gus and John Lawson. Iver indeed was the most succesful of the brothers, and there is an article about him, too: [2]. --Nicola54 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I was talking to someone and they told me they were related to these three brothers, but I had never heard of them, so I added what I could find. I had also been writing on polo players, because the images from the Library of Congress released to Flickr have so many polo pictures from 1910-1915. See International Polo Cup. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
You may import Iver Lawson :) I live in Cologne very near to the place where Gus Lawson died, by the way. This photo was taken shortly before the race, but Lawson is not on it: [3], but the 2nd rider from the right died in the same crash. --Nicola54 (talk) 17:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I am blocked from moving new articles into the main space, but you can move my article with the move button after checking it over for copyright infringement. That way you can link the German version to the English version and add what you know to the English version. You have to use the move button and not copy and paste. I just learned last week that my maternal great grandfather was from was from Germany. See Oscar Arthur Moritz Lindauer (1815-1866) --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:27, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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L. B. Shettles[edit]

I had the article CSDed a few weeks ago because it was directly copied from his biographical abstract from Marquis Who's Who in America. Good luck on restoring the topic, and hopefully it is better executed than the previous effort.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Image uploads[edit]

File:Melanie Kurt portrait.jpg , Hi any chance of reformating the information blocks on your uploads to use {{tl|information}?

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Hello[edit]

Hi Richard. Just a brief note to let you know that I'm glad you're back to editing again and to let you know that your excellent work is appreciated. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 02:35, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Image metadata issues: Lady Aitken[edit]

In 2010, you uploaded this image to en.wiki (it's since been moved to Commons), stating that it was Penelope, Lady Aitken. You also stated that the photo had been taken "circa 1915 [between ca. 1910 and ca. 1915]".

Penelope, Lady Aitken, was born in 1910 (and only married William Aitken in 1938). That photo is of an adult woman. Either it's not a photo of Penelope, Lady Aitken, or it's not from "circa 1915" (or, I suppose, neither). If we take the Library of Congress at their word re: the date, that also rules out Violet, Lady Aitken; might it be Gladys Henderson Aitken, Lady Beaverbrook (wife of Max Aitken, Lord Beaverbrook)? DS (talk) 13:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, yeah -- I've examined some other photos of Gladys Henderson Aitken (née Gladys Drury Henderson), and I'm pretty sure that's her. I'm removing it from the article about Penelope. DS (talk) 13:34, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Excellent detective work. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:50, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Burials in/at Rock Creek Cemetery[edit]

Hey... the category Category: Burials at Rock Creek Cemetery includes all the relevant article pages, it seems that the empty category Category: Burials in Rock Creek Cemetery should be decategorized and speedy deleted. Is there a reason not to do this? - Tim1965 (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I think that is why we have category redirects "buried in" vs "buried at" is very confusing as to which one to use. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Curtiss pic[edit]

I am not going into battle on this one, only to say beware of repetition (and I can be accused of the same), the new pic is clear and good quality, but for the sake of variety the previous one was good and did not seem to be doing any harm, the new one is a crop of the great shot further down the page.81.149.141.199 (talk) 18:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with good old 81. Curtiss having fun in Paris is the better picture to be at the top of the article. So, I put it back. -GroveGuy (talk) 05:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Commons[edit]

Richard, I'm not sure why you are messing with the obsessives at Commons... I upload images directly to En-WP with a { { keep local } } template attached. I've have a few problems with the rights volunteers here, but nothing like the vindictive and lawless circus that is Commons... best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 03:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I have been blocked from adding photos to Wikipedia. I can see why the Library of Congress partnered with Yahoo and Flickr rather than Wikimedia. "There are no known restrictions on the photographs in the George Grantham Bain Collection." Yet, about 1 in 10 that I add gets deleted. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
"Shaking my head" is too mild... If you have any Bain collection photos you want uploaded straight to En-WP, just drop me a line with the URLs and I will take care of them. You really do need these idiotic restrictions removed from you... I hate Commons with a passion. Carrite (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

William Carnegie (priest)[edit]

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement (August 2014)[edit]

I have started Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ). Fram (talk) 08:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Millie and Christine McKoy[edit]

This article has been moved and still has three different spellings for their name in the text. I'm trying to figure out what to do. I added information from a source which also says their owner's name was McKoy, not McKay. This could be wrong, but it's only logical that they would have the same name as their owner.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

We have to decide how to determine the canonical spelling. Will it be the most common spelling in Google Books or the spelling from the most reliable source, like a death certificate or their tombstone. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
And was the owner's name also McKoy?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to leave this to those of you actually interested in this topic. I don't really have the time or the knowledge to figure this out. I could contact the writer of the newspaper article and make sure he really knew what he was doing.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Found it. I don't know if this is reliable enough, but it does say McKay was their name. It was changed to McKoy but not McCoy.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

The case against you at AE.[edit]

I have closed the case against you at AE. It was decided to take no action against you on this occasion. I'll also provide you with the following advice (which is not a formal warning). If you accidentally create a page that you shouldn't, taking action yourself before anyone reports you will probably save your skin. If possible, move it to your user space without leaving a redirect. If that's not possible for some reason, blank it and tag it with something like this: {{db|Page accidentally created, please delete}}. Also notify some admin (such as me) what happened. Someone near the end of the AE case mentioned a javascript that you could check out. If you can make a convincing case that you will always avoid the behavior that got you restricted in the first place, you should consider appealing the restriction. Meanwhile, happy editing. Zerotalk 09:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Bullet dodged, avoid guns[edit]

Hi Richard. Thank god that ended well. You need to make certain never to have that happen again. You also need to have that topic ban on starting articles lifted to remove that vulnerability.

I really wish you'd stop "glossing" quotes in your footnotes, too. I know there are a couple people who feel that skirts the edge of copyvio and that is the mortal sin for you going forward: you've gotta be cleaner than a bleached easter bunny with respect to copyright violation. The slightest misstep on that and the dog pack will rip you to shreds...

Good luck with your editing. Try to put the ugliness behind you and have a little fun!!! —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 17:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Looking at your drafts, I see no obvious copyright problems with them (although I for one dislike the long quotes in the refs of some of them, they are usually not necessary at all). Some of them don't seem to meet our notability standards (at least not how they are presented now, but that's another problem. For what it's worth, I don't object to a lifting of the ban on article creations in the mainspace, as long as the other restrictions remain in place. I would have preferred if you had done some work on the CCI as well, but there doesn't seem to be any chance of that. Feel free to point people to this statement if and when you appeal this restriction, I don't intend to change my mind unless new things (problems) would become obvious of course. Fram (talk) 08:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I somewhat agree with Fram and Carrite, quotes are not necessary at all. They are added only when other editor is doubtful about the reference. Best of luck ! OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 11:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Fletcher Wardlaw Snead photo[edit]

With reference to your upload at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fletcher_Wardlaw_Snead_(1872-1909).jpg, the source you list for the photograph cannot possibly be correct; The Washington Times didn't exist in 1909; it was founded in 1982! I can't find a copy of the photo anywhere online other than via Wikipedia and Wikimedia. I've searched the archives of The New York Times but they don't have a photo of him. The photo in Three Sisters in Black is not the same and is credited as having come from the New York World. I'm trying to have the photo renamed to reflect accurate birth and death dates. Thanks.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 00:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Let me go back to Newspapers.com and GenealogyBank to see if I got the name of the newspaper wrong. There was another newspaper of the same name in Washington, DC and the Library of Congress has it in its holdings. Wikipedia is not an exhaustive source of newspaper names, but the LOC database is. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
My mistake; I checked the Library of Congress listing and the newspaper is listed there. My apologies.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 00:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
No Prob ... crazy story isn't it? I always wondered if the husband was complicit or if he ran away to avoid getting murdered himself. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I went to high school in Christiansburg, VA, and up until my senior year, when we moved to a brand-new facility, my classes were in the building that now exists on the site of the Montgomery Female Academy. The original stone staircase up to the property from the street level below consists of two wings of stairs that meet at a landing with a single stair rising the rest of the way to the lawn. On the step just above the landing, the inscription "Montgomery Hall" is still clearly visible. There are several "ghost stories" surrounding the sisters and the existing buildings; I witnessed a few strange occurrences myself. Virginia Wardlaw's grave in Sunset Cemetery has also been the scene for some interesting phenomena. Interestingly, my grandmother was slated to go to the MFA, but, at the last minute, her mother changed her mind. If you haven't read Three Sisters in Black, try to find a copy and do so. It has some errors (the author misspells the City of Radford as Redford, for one), but it gives an in-depth view of the machinations of the sisters and all the deaths they might have caused. Were I Fletcher, I would have vanished as well—I think you're correct in thinking that he did so to save his own skin. The book could be used to further expand the article, particularly with regard to the sisters' activities while at MFA, but someone else will have to undertake the task. I've done more editing than I wanted to in the past few days; I'm leaving Wikipedia as an editor.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 02:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Why would you leave as an editor? I edit rather than watch television. How will you fill the time. I just found another article in the New York Times, and I will migrate it over to Wikimedia Commons where it says that the sisters most likely killed a seven year old boy by pushing him down steps. Have you heard that one before? Maybe we need a section called "other victims". I am sorry about sing the 1909 death date for her husband, I am not sure how that got into the article.

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