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Paddy Ashdown

Is there any reason you've done this? It's sourced that he was appointed PC in 1989. Rodhullandemu 18:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Yes, I was getting into a very pedantic issue about how to describe peers who are privy councillors. (or is it Privy Counsellors?). My view is for peers of the rank of Baron, the title 'Right Hon' covers their membership of the Privy Council. Traditionally such peers have added PC at the end to avoid confusion with non-privy-council peers who call themselves Right Hon. The solution as recommended by the Ministry of Justice is for so non-privy-council peers not to call themselves Right Hon. This means that Right Hon, when used by peers, will indicate membership of the privy council. I believe that certain high ranks of peer eg Duke, have other descriptions, eg His Grace, therefore they still need the PC to indicate membership of the privy council. I thought I had mentioned some of this in the discussion page of the article. I know Paddy Ashdown joined the Privy Council in 1989. I fact I am so sad I remember reading it at the time in the Court Circular!Woodhouseian (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Just to add that if anyone is interested, this is the relevant text from the discussion page: The following page, on the Ministry of Justice website, seems to suggest that 'PC' and 'Right Honourable' are mutually exclusive alternatives. http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/foa-peers.htm#peers-pc PC is to be used for eg Dukes and Marquesses who are members of the Privy Council, because for example a Duke is 'His Grace' so will not be termed the Right Honourable and therefore without the letters 'PC' the Duke's Privy Council status would not be shown. However for Barons, eg a life Baron such as Paddy Ashdown, they should use 'Right Honourable' to show their Privy Council status and therefore the letters 'PC' are superfluous. Apparently barons who are not members of the privy council, should refrain from describing themselves as Right Honourable, to avoid confusion, even though they have traditionally been able to use this description. Woodhouseian (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing's ever simple with that lot, is it? Thanks for the explanation. I still call him Paddy. Rodhullandemu 21:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I've now re-removed the PC in his titles in the article Woodhouseian (talk) 22:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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