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Three musicians[edit]

If he only had wings

Just created this - The Three Musicians and found this - without realizing it was a draft. Used some sentences - here draft. But I can't credit a draft, now can I? Also wonder why is that a draft since June this year. (Some of the article text is based on common knowledge about artist, if you don't happen to find it exactly in some ref) Hafspajen (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should credit the draft. I would do so on the talk page, saying "Some sentences in this article are based on the following draft: [link]". If you took references from there, or whatever, say so. By the way, the Brown book is surely available in English? I will now go and look. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
You can use the following template on the talk page:
{{translated page | de | Benutzer:Philip Schmalfeldt/Die Drei Musikanten | version=133131845}}
which will render to {{translated page | de | Benutzer:Philip Schmalfeldt/Die Drei Musikanten |version=133131845 |category=no}}
De728631 (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but he's only drawing on it in part - he based it mostly on the es. article, and already has a template for that. De, since you're here, this is a bit strange - Philip Schmalfeldt doesn't appear to have done anything else except create that nice draft, which never went live. I was about to drop him a note on his talk page over there thanking him for it, mentioning that the new English article is drawing on it, and asking whether he would mind if we mainspaced it; could you greet him instead on our behalf, since you can actually write German (!), and what do you think about taking it live? I know they are picky over there. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
The full-size version of this template is more precise. You can add |small=no to the string above and get

{{translated page | de | Benutzer:Philip Schmalfeldt/Die Drei Musikanten | version=133131845 |small=no |category=no}}

which hints at a partial translation.
As to Schmalfeldt, I'm going to contact him and will have a look at his draft and how it could be proceeded. De728631 (talk) 20:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, Philip Schmalfeldt has been inactive since 2012 so I'm not very confident to get any feedback from him. I have however asked another user who last edited that page what they think of it. Imo the latter parts of the German draft contain a lot of OR and so we should focus on getting only the first few sections live. De728631 (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, good deal :-) (I hope we can lure him back) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Karl Friedrich Schinkel Allegorie auf Beuth, - what is Beuth
Beuth Portrait.jpg
I rather imagine him like this instead
Here he is on the ground wearing a winter coat (left)
Another great art article that is not going to be nominated at DYK. I got really mad at them because of that Barbie thing. Hafspajen (talk) 21:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I'm still furious about that, and I can understand your response to that and the Church Niagara Falls. It's a shame, because DYK needs nice articles to survive, and I strongly disagree that reducing the number is a good thing. And you and friends have contributed some interesting stuff. It's a damned shame. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, if DYK want to survive, they might reconsider their ways. How come Serten is now Serten II- se his talk-. Maybe you can help him. Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Hafspajen: Serten's had some sort of technical problem, unfortunately I can't help with that. DYK's situation is ... a big fat wikipolitical mess. As to Beuth, I found this (pp. 91-92), so presumably Christian Peter Wilhelm Beuth. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Is he the one guy on the horse? Hafspajen (talk) 04:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes. I don't know if you can see that GoogleBooks link? He's apparently looking down on a vision of industrialised Germany. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Eh. Hafspajen (talk) 04:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
He doesn't look like someone riding naked on a Pegasus to me. Emblem-cool.svgHafspajen (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, of all stupid things... indeed it IS him. Hafspajen (talk) 04:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Can you imagine this -> guy doing ->THAT? Face-grin.svg Hafspajen (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Apparently in 16 years he grew up and found some clothes :-) I hadn't realised Schinkel could be so whimsical, but it does fit. (And I also hadn't looked at our English article until just now. Good gods, what a miserable stub.) Yngvadottir (talk) 05:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Clothes suit's him. Hafspajen (talk) 05:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC) Face-grin.svg well, yes, Schinkel is much LONGER in German. Hafspajen (talk) 05:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
HOWEVER -I have to point it out that our article is MUCH better illustrated. Face-wink.svg Hafspajen (talk) 05:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh I daresay '-) But I meant our article on Beuth. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes our article is a miserable little stub considering who he was. Hafspajen (talk) 06:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Any page - watchers, the guy is one of the most prominent architects of Germany. So that's the way it is. Hafspajen (talk) 06:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Hmm yes, the Schinkel article is underdeveloped. But he has loads of fans, so I'll leave him to them. Beuth on the other hand ... goes on my list. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:21, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


Do you speak Finnish at all? This article badly needs to be brought up to proper GA status. I can try to help out but I suspect most sources will be in Finnish.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, no I don't. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Can you translate this? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes I can, and it looks as if I'll be able to access at least one of the sources, but I have some stuff to do first in teh next few hours. Did you track down the Dolgorouky guy? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


Just stopping by to say thank you. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

to check them all[edit]

Northeaster (painting). Can't access the MET, so it didn't came out so well. [the link is broken] - to Metropolitan Museum of Art site. Hafspajen (talk) 05:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC).

Well, I fiddled around with it. I was able to access the Met's site, so I added the accession number and a provenance section. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Yngvadottir. What do you think about this edit? Hafspajen (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I reverted that and the following one. I notice we have no redirect Lussi - I would have put it in, pointing to the section on the Nordic countries (I believe they all use that version of the name), only the article has a very strange earlier #Lussi section with a not very good reference, saying some stuff that I believe is not entirely correct. I suggest you make the redirect and point it to where makes sense to you, and consider rewriting that earlier section more briefly, or incorporating it entirely into the section on the Lussi observance. The runic calendars that marked December 13 (the old solstice) with a candle image should also be mentioned. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Aj. Hafspajen (talk) 20:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • St Lucy's Day# Lussi? Hafspajen (talk) 20:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, St Lucy's Day#Lussi - the one reference is even marked with "can we find a better one" and then the word is not used again in the sections on the Lussi ceremony and song, which is where I believe the redirect should point to. I'm also not at all sure of the validity of that material about demons and Lussi as some female demon; but people will be searching for Lussi and expecting to find the Nordic celebration (especially as done in Sweden), and its association with the old date of solstice and with the calendars needs to be made clear ... however, that is not an article I should edit. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Why a redirect? Why not article? Hafspajen (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

What do you think of these edits? Hafspajen (talk) 04:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

That first one was good until they changed the name of the country :-) I see SergeWoodzing fixed that. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


Lussinatta inträffade den 13 december och det var då som Lussi, eller Lussekäringen, en kvinnovarelse med onda egenskaper likt en kvinnlig demon eller häxa, kom ridande genom luften med sina följeslagare som kallades för lussiferda. I vissa trakter, särskilt i Västergötland, handlade i stället om en man, Lussegubben. Lucialegenden var känd i Norden först på 1200-talet, och först på 1300-talet var namnet allmänt känt som namn på dagen. Lussi är med all sannolikhet en personifikation av dagen, utan koppling till helgonet. Under tiden mellan lussinatta och julen trodde man att troll och onda andar var särskilt aktiva utomhus. Det var synnerligen farligt att vara ute under själva lussinatta. Barn som hade begått illdåd behövde akta sig extra noga, då Lussi kunde komma ner för skorstenen och röva bort dem. Och om vissa av julens förberedelser inte blev klara, kunde Lussi straffa gården i fråga.<noinclude><ref>''Lussi, Tomas og Tollak: tre kalendariske julefigurar'', Brynjulf Alver, 1976</ref></noinclude>

Olof Rudbeck d.ä. gjorde i sin Atlantica ett försök att koppla föreställningen mellan en Lussi och den grekiska mytologins Demeter. Denna identifikation upprepades senare av Erland Hofsten i början av 1700-talet, men anses idag som ett utslag av Göticism. Tyvärr ger Rudbeck inte någon beskrivning av Lussitraditionen såsom den såg ut i slutet av 1600-talet.<ref name="ReferenceA">''Lucia och lussebrud i Värmland'', ur ''Svenska kulturbilder'' Ny följd, häfte 5, Hilding Celander, 1936</ref>

Liknande traditioner har funnits även i andra länder, bland annat Böhmen.<ref name="SU693" />

I Värmland uppstod en något annan tradition. Erland Hofsten berättade i sin otryckta Beskrifning öfwer Wermeland i början av 1700-talet om vad han uppfattade som ett Warimanniens ålder til upbruk och beboande, i dy thet kan gifwa wid handen thenna fäst här hafwa satt sig förrän någon annan ort av Swea och Giöta, emädan the ther om eij enss hört, men the emot then sedan af hedenhöös här warit brukat. Tyvärr ges ingen utförligare beskrivning av vad festen gick ut på. Hofstens teorier om festens hedniska ursprung är dock med all förmodan överdriven.<ref name="ReferenceA"/>

I den första tryckta Värmlandsbeskrivningen, E. Fernows Beskrifning öfwer Wärmeland 1773, ges dock en fylligare beskrivning av Lussetraditionen i Värmland: Man skall den dagen wara uppe at äta bittida om ottan, hos somlige tör ock et litet rus slinka med på köpet. Sedan lägger man sig at sofwa, och därpå ätes ny frukost. Hos Bönderne kallas detta 'äta Lussebete', men hos de förnämare 'fira Luciäottan'. Medan Hofsten beskrev seden som endast förekommande hos allmogen, säger Fernow att den förekom även på herrgårdarna.<ref name="ReferenceA"/> En annan, äldre folklig tradition som levde på landsbygden var lussebruden. Det kunde en ogift kvinna i trakten eller på gården utnämnas till och därmed bli huvudperson i den lokala varianten av lussefirandet. Den verkar även ha spridit sig utanför Värmland. 1791 firades Lucia vid den Värmländska nationen i Lund. Prosten C. Fr. Nyman berättare i den otryckta Märkvärdigheter uti Ingelstads härad från en resa i Västergötland 1764, hur han då stötte på den för honom helt okända luciatraditionen: Rätt som jag låg i min bästa sömn, hördes en Vocalmusique utan för min dörr, hvaraf jag väcktes. Strax derpå inträdde först ett hvit-klädt fruntimmer med gördel om lifvet, liksom en vinge på hvardera axeln, stora itända ljus i hwar sin stora silfversljusstake, som sattes på bordet, och strax derpå kom en annan med ett litet dukadt bord, försedt med allehanda kräseliga, äteliga och våtvaror, som nedsattes mitt för sängarna... det är Lussebete. Det är första kända dokumentationen av något som kan liknas vid en Lucia. 1791 firades Luciadagen på Åkerö slott enligt hävdvunnen sed. Ebba Sparre har beskrivit i ett brev till sin syster hur hon väcktes av fiolspel, och då hon öppnade ögonen fick se två av tjänsteflickorna med förvaltarens dotter och en hushållerska komma in i kammaren, helt vitklädda med blomstergirlanger på huvudena och bärande mellan sig ett slags altare, med en korg i guldpapper och med 16 brinnande ljus.<ref name="ReferenceA"/>

Den första gången en lucia med ljus på huvudet finns dokumentariskt belagd är från 1820, och det handlade då om en manlig lucia. En bruksinspektor i Skinnskatteberg berättar: ... då sex rätter voro förtärde och endast den sjunde, kakan, återstod, öfverraskades gästerna af en egendomlig syn. Dubbeldörrarna till förstugan uppslogos, och in trädde en dräng klädd i hvitt lakan, med en krans af ljus på hufvudet och bärande en väldig bål med glöggus. Egentligen borde det varit en tjenstflicka, ty han skulle föreställa Sancta Lucia, men, förmodligen för bördans skull, hade därtill i senare tider tagits en karl.<ref name="ReferenceA"/>

Hmm, so that's the source of the spook stuff. I had only briefly checked the Swedish article. I don't think it merits a separate article, but now I see why that section is in the English. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Man, pastel-box - no article.[edit]

Georg Anton Urlaub (1713–1759).. give me an article, please... can't you notice how talented I am... - Sorry, laddo, you'll have to wait, first the evil doctor needed me to finish off a Swedish ensign, and ol' Beuth is still naked up there Yngvadottir (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

His luck was bad, and it continues so - both the pages on his life referenced at the bottom of the de. article have vanished, and neither was saved at the Wayback Machine, leaving just the newspaper article. So if I do him it will have to be a brief summary. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

..he has a nice pastel box...Hafspajen (talk) 01:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

And Thüngersheim has a new website. Click here for the lecture on G A Urlaub. De728631 (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh good, thanks. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Good ol' Beuth will be still naked, he is not easy to put any cloth on... like the Indians. (so I read in Serten's novels....) Hafspajen (talk) 05:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I have to let you know, sadly but most seriously - Sweden has no culture to talk about. Culture of Sweden - the worst article. Hafspajen (talk) 06:01, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
    • That could be a lot worse. I note that all the sections link to more detailed articles. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


Wisteria and clematis - - 417950.jpg

Now there is the guy even I think puts too many pics into an article. Talk:Buddha's hand - and is not even responding on talk, jut adding even more......Hafspajen (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

That does seem to have rather a lot of images, although he seems to be good with the syntax. I see he's been posting on talk pages on other topics, so you could try pinging him. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, he edited that page like 12 times since ... He just prefer not to notice it. Hafspajen (talk) 12:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what you're asking regarding that link - I can follow until "legal", which is presumably the wrong word :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 13:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Just that he say he is no good at syntax. Hafspajen (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

All Oxonians alert[edit]

Humboldtian education ideal. Serten's II. Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2014 (UTC) By the way, we should start a campanj. every week leave messages to 74 like:COME BACK!! Hafspajen (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Heh, good for you two. I will eventually copyedit :-) I have a draft started for poor Urlaub. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
What do you think about this edit ? Hafspajen (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that's fair enough - they are indeed commonly called "fairy lights" in some places.
And happy Lussidag to you too :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 13:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
One has the tendency to drink too much glögg on a day like this...
Albert Edelfelt, Finnish painter has not one refHafspajen (talk) 10:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Urlaub has no other works that are much useful, bad scans and difficult to use. Hafspajen (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC) Check this. Hafspajen (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

We have a small Ingres! (Although I think those dimensions should be cm not mm). He's taking the colors from portraits of the period, right? Yngvadottir (talk) 21:29, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Morgenstern: Fisches Nachtgesang[edit]

The Night Song of the Fish
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by Christian Morgenstern


<ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|publisher=|accessdate=}}</ref>Hafspajen (talk) 12:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

have some fruit
Fidelity , depicted from the series Five Cardinal Virtues, c. 1767, by Suzuki Harunobu

lichtung (poem) ;) Serten II (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Friedrich Wilhelm Schnitzler[edit]

Dear Friend, dear Yngvadottir, Please help me to translate the article Friedrich Wilhelm Schnitzler. You are very professionel translate. Thank you very much and i wish you mery christmas. Best Regards Rahel25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahel25 (talkcontribs) 05:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For Maryat Lee and aaaallll those other articles you have written, improved, rescued. You put me to shame. Drmies (talk) 00:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Eeeek! I haven't even got the lesbianism into it yet! Yngvadottir (talk) 00:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • It don't matter. I already nominated at DYK and did a review. I found some more material in JSTOR. Fascinating woman--I wonder if LadyofShalott knows about her. I got material to write up some individual plays as well: French made her his cottage industry, it appears. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, and there should be quite a bit more newspaper coverage out there, including a front-page article in Variety. I'd say Dope! definitely merits an article of its own. Thanks for the DYK nom, though if the reviewer guts it, I'll take my name off again. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, you saw A Double-Threaded Life. What we really need, though, is Ecotheater. And I need to finish grading, and Alabama needs my support against Wichita State, so I'm closing the netbook for a bit. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

So, Mies the silent was here[edit]

Arthur Devis - Mr. and Mrs. Hill - Google Art Project.jpg

Do you think this is Afternoon tea? Hafspajen (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Probably, although they seem to have wanted to demonstrate how many china cups they had more than to invite that many people to partake with them :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 01:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Mies is so silent that he has nothing on his page anymore. Hafspajen (talk) 06:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

The Hills have a Chinese export blue and white tea service and bowls, with a Yixing clay teapot and a silver water jug; in the fireplace a large Chinese vase with a lion on the lid (maybe a Dog of Fo that has been misinterpreted by the artist). Above the fireplace handpainted wallpaper showing a European idea of a Chinese scene. On the mantelpiece a bound volume of menus from the Chinese takeaway Wok This Way. At a guess, she's got a silk work bag tied to her left arm, and is winding silk onto a bobbin. He's demonstrating that men are good at multitasking; picking belly lint with his right hand and playing pocket billiards with his left. Actually the whole setup is reminiscent of a photographer's studio rather than afternoon tea. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Sigh - these art collectors are heavy dealing with. now we have complete description a la Sotheby... Listen, I found this article, György Aczél - and the thing is that it's rather more than the article say. He was Jew, was in prison and .. still managed somehow to reach high posts. This kind of article we should have more of ... Well, not the one we have now, but what we could have on him. Maybe The Portal of Jews could help .. to? It shows how these people lived behind the Iron curtain... Hafspajen (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Panfilo Nuvolone - Maiolica Bowl with Peaches, Grapes, and Bees - WGA16611.jpg
Listen to this:

György Aczél grew up in an orphanage, worked in construction, and performed as an actor. He participated in the Ha-Shomer ha-Tsa‘ir youth movement and later joined the underground Communist Party in 1935. Arrested in 1942, he worked as a forced laborer. During the German occupation, he participated in the resistance movement and in rescuing Jews. After World War II, Aczél was associated with the Budapest administration of the Communist Party. He became party secretary of the counties of Zemplén (1946) and Baranya (1948), and also served in Hungary’s parliament. In 1948, he joined the party’s presidential board. Arrested in 1949 and condemned to life imprisonment, he was released in August 1954 and charges against him were dismissed. He then became the director of a state-owned construction company. After the Soviet invasion of Hungary in November 1956, Aczél joined the executive board of the reformed Communist Party. Though he represented a moderate political position, during the first meeting after the revolution (in mid-1957), he sharply criticized the party’s former chief ideologue, József Révai (1889–1959) for his orthodox views, significantly increasing his own political role.

Rather fascinating. People had weird lives over there. Hafspajen (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Yup, Nazi occupation and Communist rule ... you should expand the article using that source. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I should. And than it will be with plenty of grammar mistakes and totally hopeless. Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Grammar mistakes can be fixed and don't make anything totally hopeless. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
mmm... Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
There are one or two native English speaking editors who will check out the grammar and usage on an article by an editor with a user name starting with the three characters "Haf". My name is on that list. Ask me such questions any time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Hashomer Hatzair? This article (link) suggests he was in János Kádár's faction when József Révai was criticised. I have seen a book of Hungarian art from the period when Aczel was in charge of culture, in a bookshop. If I see it again I'll get it (doubt if anybody else will want it). Then…Hafs…will…be…sorry Face-smile.svg Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Whatwillbesorry. Thanks Cullen - I have never forbid anyone from editing it, I'm just insecure about the topic. He is Jew - and I think that even there are some far away Jewish ascendencia in my family -it's rather distant and I don't know much of the related topics. Hafspajen (talk) 09:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
It was pretty bad art, Hafs, and badly printed and not even Soviet Realism. Maybe work backwards; his activities as Cultural Supremo must have left a mark on the film industry. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't know much about that art, actually. Hafspajen (talk) 10:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Sleeping Lady with Black Vase by Róbert Berény was in the news recently. It was used as a prop in the film Stuart Little and a Hungarian researcher spotted it. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Artist invasion[edit]

Laurent Pécheux - Vénus ....
AAARRrrr, NO NO nO . I don't believe this, not another artist. Hafspajen (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Unbelievable - one more. Take a kölapp.
Louis Meijer - Zelfportret.jpg
Louis MeijerHafspajen (talk) 23:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Whereas fr:Laurent Pécheux is plenty long, nl:Louis Meijer is pretty much an insult. However, bed now. My weekend just ended :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Louis Meijer - Storm in het Nauw van Calais

LOUIS!!!!! Hafspajen (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for helping us to fight vandalism. Thanks once again. BelieveinHardwork (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Kullervo Cursing (nothing just a nice your favourite, Akseli Gallen-Kallela

You may wish to participate in a discussion at Talk:Brahmanbaria. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that after a further 12 hours or so it's now FUBAR'd beyond my ability to make sense of it. If you can establish what name should be used for the city, then admins with better forensic skills and a better ability to keep things straight should merge to fix the copy-pastes. But a history merge is extremely difficult to undo once done, which is why I didn't try. If I were you I would focus first on establishing what name to use, with sources. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:18, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI relevant discussion is here. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Good grief. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
That's an excellent summary of the situation. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Stardate C3PO[edit]

Information.svg Hey I'm Annoyingbot II. Thank you for your contributions on Wikipedia! Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Viking , you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Monday I'm just telling you that I was going to tell you something but then I don't know what. If I've made any errors, tell my Operator. Thanks Annoyingbot (Annoy) 10:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

LOL Yngvadottir (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


Should this be removed? Hafspajen (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

The Israel one did indeed look spammy, and the Russian one might be better used as a reference, but I wrestled with pending changes and then just edited the previous version - keeping and fully identifying the Russia one and junking the Israel one. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, much better now. This way probably New York Times has to be removed to because they use ads, I have been watching this guy roaming around removing things that was not quite necessary. Hafspajen (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, you did ask ... Yngvadottir (talk) 19:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Yngvadottir, an editor who we worked together a couple of times now reverted me fourth times on an article we were once working together. He reverts to a layout that is uneven and add one picture crashing the references. Lately tried to fix to something acceptable but he still reverts to same layout, this is breaking the three revert and editwar. Even if we were on friendly basis this is not very nice. Need a second oppinion and somebody who can explain rules. Hafspajen (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I tried to discuss already on his talk. Hafspajen (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I saw that after, in your and his edits, but didn't go look - however, it should be on the article talk page, esp. since you've been edit warring over it. I suspect you have been seeing different things because you have your computers set up differently. Sorry, that's all the advice I have really. I hope you can patch up the disagreement. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

How? This is not a discussion, this is careless and insulting. If you don't help, I will go and report it for 1) breaking the three revert rule. 2) Because SOMEBODY has to expllain that this is no way behaving. He is in this very moment blockable because he reverted me four times, right. Pluss, he asks me do this do that, and this is the thanks, just read this now deleted exchange. Help me please.. and two days after behaving like this.... I had enough problems in my private life and a whole lot other things. If no admin is at least explaining him that

1) you should discuss and not revert
2) you should try to act civilized

what are we here for? Then I will let them on the noticeboard do that. Crisco 1492, for example. Hafspajen (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't think this is fixable. Again somebody suddenly behaving like they were out of their mind. Read just User talk:Hafspajen#Hilfe bitte! Oh, than I was good to have. But now ... edir war! And it was MY work the layout, it was my work that blasted Winter article - and I don't usually go editwarring with people who are nice to me. No, if somebody from outside is not getting into this - explaing that it is not OK editwarring - I AM NOT interested. I am not here to help people just for getting kicked in the as as a thank. Hafspajen (talk) 22:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I am tired of Wikipedia, I am seriously thinking of stopping editing soon. Maybe in a short while.

This is not fun, people getting crazy like this. . I seriously think that this is not fixable if someone from the outside is not stepping in. Hafspajen (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

As I've said in several places, go ahead Hafspajen, do whatever you want with Baluschek. Revert away — I won't make any further changes in the layout. I'm sick to death of this brouhaha. Let's just drop it and move on. Sca (talk) 14:45, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
Frohe Weinachten und
alles gute zur neuen Jahr!
Wesołych Świąt i
Szczęśliwego nowego roku!
Linksmų Kalėdų ir
laimingų Naujųjų Metų!

Sca (talk) 15:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! And Good Yule to you :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


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Best wishes for a happy holiday season[edit]

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Thanks! And Good Yule! Yngvadottir (talk) 03:59, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Yule goat. Hafspajen (talk) 06:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
All the best! I did my xmas entry on Why I Am Not a Christian - William E. Connolly is just great. Serten II (talk) 13:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Alt for Yngva! Serten II (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Good Yule to you! De728631 (talk) 17:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and to you too! Yngvadottir (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Talking about Yule log, someome thinks this is doubtful[edit]

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Norway is the birthplace of the Yule log. Traditionally the Norwegians kept the season bright with a Yule log. It literally formed the center of the celebration since it was frequently an entire tree that could only partly fit into the fireplace and so extended well out into the middle of the living room. The ancient Norse used the Yule log in their celebration of the return of the sun at winter solstice. "Yule" came from the Norse word hweol, meaning wheel. The Norse believed that the sun was a great wheel of fire that rolled towards and then away from the earth This tradition dates back to the Norse Yule log. It is probably also responsible for the popularity of log-shaped cheese, cakes, and desserts during the holidays. As it burned it would be pushed farther into the fire to provide continuous light and warmth through the whole Christmas season. <ref>{{cite web|url=|title=Yule log, traditions in Norway|publisher=|accessdate=25 September 2014}}</ref>

The derivation from hweol is a bit dubious to me; that would need a more scholarly reference. Also I'm not sure about the method of burning the log - longhouses had long firepits rather than fireplaces at one end. But yes, that is almost certainly the origin of the Yule log cakes, etc. And the Yule log is not exclusively Norwegian. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Ad festivum ignem or Christblock in German. Paulus Stephanus Cassel thinks the tradition is based on a custom to allow a "Forstfrevel", meaning poor people could steal a christmas log without being punished, but just on Christms, so they didnt have the time to hack it to smaller pieces. The explanation with ancient Norse sounds like a James George Frazer continuity story, which is, as a rule of thumb, always and everywhere wrong ;) Serten II (talk) 18:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
There's a massive amount of work on Norse Yule in various Scandinavian languages; the log was also a tradition in England, and fits well with the fact it's a 12-day festival. But I avoid editing such articles, so I won't dig for sources :-) Cassel's idea is interesting, but the forests were commons before they were hunting and agricultural preserves. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh dear, the tragedy of the commons article was sort of climate change disaster for me. I could do some edits on Commons and forestry however, de:Deutscher Wald, de:Holznot were easy game. I am not sure wether Frazer applies on Yule, as I think it was not "covered as christian" as he claims for xmas or eastern. Serten II (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC) PS.: Just found that Yule is Rauhnacht, my ballpark antifrazer guess would be 12 for 12 apostles, but dont put me to court for that ;)
Rauhnächte, yes. I see from the discussion on the talk page that the article previously had citations from Hilda Ellis Davidson among others. Right now it's short on the Germanic/Norse scholarship and strong on the skeptics, but not unbalanced enough for me to wade in '-) No, it's definitely not the apostles. :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks like the main issue here is that we have good old Ronald Hutton as the primary cited source rather than experts in the field like Hilda Ellis Davidson. I'll take a look at it later and rid it of its Huttonisms and bring out material from scholars in more appropriate fields. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:58, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Judging by your talk page comments way back in 2007 or 2008, there are references to her and others back in the history. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, now things are of course much clearer. Either way The Norsemen and the Norwegian looks mixed up. Hafspajen (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Hafspajen, what u expect? Norway is a Frazer country: It came out of those small change countys, it ceized to exist after 1349 and Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson had to construct an anthem and a language to get it back 1905. But everybody and his neighbor will tell you about the vikings ;) Serten II (talk) 06:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Now now, at least they didn't have to fight wars with all their neighbors to get a unified country, they were already that :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 07:04, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Those Lilyhammers had borders, no state... Fairy tale nation, intended by Grimm, found by Tagliano ;) Serten II (talk) 08:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Shiba Inu[edit]

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 01:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@George Ho: It's been working well but the incidence of vandalism has tailed off. Let's see what happens. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Seasonal Greets![edit]

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A Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year Yngvadottir :) Best Wishes! TheGeneralUser (talk) 22:39, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, and Good Yule and a very happy new year to you too Yngvadottir (talk) 22:49, 25 December 2014 (UTC)