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Things that make you go "hmmmm"[edit]

I smiled when I saw the original hook. I laughed out loud when I saw your correction: [1]. Who vets the vetters? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Source #1 is so jargonish I'm not sure the article is correct; I can only hope I and the article authors interpreted it correctly :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I thought that was rather nice smartassery. Drmies (talk) 16:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Valentine hugs and Lili 2014.JPG, bigger on my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh that lily is gorgeous. Gerda, I would love to celebrate spring in Germany. Can you invent a conference or something like that so I can get my boss to pay for it? Drmies (talk) 16:04, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
  • No really, sorry. Will sing a new mass in June (50th anniversary of church building), but probably not what your boss would like to pay for. - Do you like a protected Chopin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

"Best known for" IP at it again[edit]

Hi Yngvadottir. Per Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP, could you take a look at Special:Contributions/, especially to Tosca, a featured article, where he has twice reverted, followed by this very pointy disruption of the article. Pinging also User:Drmies. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

  • I suppose that's pointy alright, though I would also have removed "famous". And the commas around "La Tosca". Drmies (talk) 16:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Drmies, see Talk:Tosca#Peacock words for the discussion. Do chime in if you feel it should be removed. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure which diff I was looking at--I'm actually typing up an argument for keeping "famously". Drmies (talk) 17:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I'd say what's worth looking at is whether "forgetting" a 0RR agreement[2][3] 1 week after a block for "forgetting" a 0RR agreement is likely. Whether or not you agree with the edit and revert and whether or not the IP has a point are separate issues. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
That's great, Summer. Run for admin and block them. I'm a volunteer here and am under no compulsion to block anyone. I don't even like blocking, and I don't care much for this entire issue anymore, nor do I think that the project should be declared a failure if the IP isn't blocked soon. Drmies (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
@SummerPhD: I think events have moved on from the agreement I brokered and from the one Drmies put in place with 0RR. The IP editor has subsequently been blocked and rapidly unblocked by two other admins, and in this latest dispute is discussing at the talk page rather than continuing to revert. I wouldn't block anyone for doing what they're doing now, although along the way they provided a textbook example of WP:POINT with one Tosca edit and both Drmies and I have said so. We got the clock reset we wanted, the IP has improved his/her behaviour, I've agreed with his/her edits in a preponderance of cases and disagreed in some (and currently differ with them at Tosca and to some extent at the Russian town article). I think we're in a new stage now and that the old agreement has been superseded by a normal situation (including an apparently over-hasty block for different issue). Yngvadottir (talk) 05:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
So, to sum up: He agreed to 0RR. He broke 0RR. He was blocked for a week for breaking 0RR. He went an entire week without breaking it again, so now the 0RR doesn't apply. Is that about right?
I am certain " Please do not revert to name calling, like "such an idiot" in the future" will ensure a quick end to that particular problem.
Now that you've both told him not to disruptively edit to make a point (somewhere...?), I'm sure that won't happen again.
No, of course admins are not required to block anyone ever. In fact, they are expected to defend highly disruptive, edit warring, block evading, personal attackers from having their good names smeared by anyone daring to imply their behavior is "vandalism". That is what the mop is for. Thank you for your tireless efforts protecting this poor, defenseless, misunderstood champion of all that is good and right. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I put my quarter in the sarcasm jar a long time ago, Summer. You could have left that abusive vandal sockpuppeteer etc. alone a long time ago, but you chose not to, so boohoo. Drmies (talk) 18:55, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Here's a competing summary. This editor fixed Wikipedia's prose for many years, but for reasons known only to them, didn't register an account. When they got reverted, they edit warred and slung insults. They took unpopular hard-line positions on things like "best known for". Because of this and a bias against unregistered editors that I am sure we can both agree exists - and because unregistered editors on dynamic IPs are only recognizable by their editing/commenting traits - they got blocked a sufficient number of times to acquire a long-term abuse page. They were both taken to and went to AN/I a number of times. (They also hit a really raw nerve with you in particular over their use of insults, including one particular one that I've thought of writing an essay on.) I tried something new and got them to agree not to edit war, but to take the issue to talk pages - and user talk pages - instead, and to stop with the personal attacks. And we reset the clock on all the heap of blocks. It was rocky but they improved steadily. They got blocked again a couple of times, and unblocked again. The most recent block was made in complete ignorance of the past history and was overturned in I think 5 minutes. The block before that, they sat out. At present they are discussing on an article talk page after making no more reverts than any other common-or-garden editor, are slinging no insults I consider grave (calling something the silliest argument they have seen in 12 years editing Wikipedia doesn't trip my personal attack circuit-breaker, but I grant you mine may have a thicker fuse in it than others') ... and yesterday did make a textbook pointy edit, so there's that. Other than that, I think what we now have, as demonstrated by the block and the equally fast unblock, is an editor among editors, not an abuse case. I can't tell you not to follow them about; there are several editors I check on from time to time. And by the nature of it, someone on a dynamic IP who doesn't register an account will get extra scrutiny because a significant number of registered editors don't like our policy of allowing editing without registration. But this person has decided to stop pinging me and Drmies, and I kind of agree, I don't consider they need my special attention any more. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
To clarify: By breaking 0RR then avoiding 0RR for one whole entire week before breaking 0RR again, they have now "moved past" their agreed upon 0RR and are no longer under 0RR. Right?
Yes, they were blocked again for a personal attack and the block was lifted by someone unaware that the editor has a solid decade of warnings and blocks for personal attacks. How that demonstrates that they are "an editor among editors" is beyond me. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
When are you going to stop your stalking and harassment? If the answer is never, then, as I've said before, eventually you'll get what's coming to you. Even the anti-IP bias that pervades wikipedia doesn't allow indefinite harassment of anonymous editors.
And when is someone going to delete that ridiculous attack page which contravenes policy and is only used by people who want to harass me? (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
So, really, so this is what it was all about? Jolly good to know. I have to say, he was quick to go back to his previous ways. Today's edit war issue is proving something very different. I thing you are all AGF him a bit too quickly. Hafspajen (talk) 21:51, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for clarification from Yngvadottir. The editor agreed to ORR, violated that, was blocked for one week and one week later violated 0RR (and 3RR). As a result, they are no longer subject to 0RR. What am I missing? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The editor has served a subsequent block. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
To clarify: Is this editor under 0RR as agreed or not? If not, why? - SummerPhD (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
They were unblocked under a 0RR condition by Drmies but were subsequently blocked by another admin and served out the block. So the condition has been superseded. That's how I see it anyway. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Defence and Garrison Museum[edit]

Would you double check and see that I did not inadvertently delete some of your additions in Defence and Garrison Museum? :) Thanks, -- Sam Sing! 13:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory[edit]

...and Draft:Anne Rudloe look pretty interesting to me, but both need cleanup of various kinds. If you could help out some, that'd be great... Drmies (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to, but I have a few plates already in the air, so I'll be slower than you would wish, thus no promises of being useful, sorry. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Just think of that lovely Florida climate... Hey, whatever you can do, and whenever. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@Drmies: Neither was bad, and apart from mining the cited refs for more biographical information on her, including her year of birth, you seem to have done pretty much all that's needed at the Annbe Rudloe article. (You may have finished that one while I wasn't looking.) I did a basic run-through at Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory. It could use ISBNs and there may still be some wording that could be improved, but it was already not bad. This, on the other hand, was bad, but hopefully I've done enough to save it. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks--I hope you added some more tags to that article. Drmies (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I removed great swathes of them after working like a navvy to render them inapplicable. I am after all an inclusionist. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


I've finished for now, maybe you'd cast an eye over it again and do any necessary polishing. Mjroots (talk) 18:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I just did :-) Hopefully didn't re-amateurise it. I did change the infobox description of the kind of collision. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


If you have time for it, please take a look at the articles Tina Leijonberg and Gunilla Backman. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


Hello, Yngvadottir -- If you have time, would you look at this edit to Rhineland-Palatinate and determine whether it is appropriate or not? [4] CorinneSD (talk) 00:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't pass the smell test, reverted. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Good. Thanks. I just saw your pictures of dogs. I'm just curious why you call the older dog your "ersatz cat". CorinneSD (talk) 16:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I think I have just the one ersatz cat pic, tho Hafspajen left a puppy to guard my talk page :-) I am really a cat person, but he was very special. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

New message[edit]

Hello Yngvadottir. I left you a message on my talk page. Thanks (Erica Blatt Harkins (talk) 04:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC))

Additional message[edit]

Hello Yngvadottir, I left you an additional message on my talk page. Thanks. (Erica Blatt Harkins (talk) 04:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC))


Thank you Yngvadottir, I sent you another answer on my talk page. (Erica Blatt Harkins (talk) 06:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC))

Thank you Message[edit]

Thanks a lot for your welcome and tips, Yngvadottir. I'll try again!! --IdoiaSota (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)IdoiaSota

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"Best known for" IP[edit]

I see you have stated on his current talk page that he is no longer under any restriction. Please explain that and point the way to the discussion that concluded such. I would link to the numerous times you've asked him to stop edit warring and calling people names and he's promised to do so, and the times he has broken that promise, but I'm fairly sure you're content for him to do whatever he likes. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The explanation is in the section further up this page. He's since been treated like any other editor, including serving a block placed by another admin. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
That's not an explanation; that's you saying "I think everything's fine now" when the guy broke a 0RR and showed no sign of changing his behaviour, so he got blocked for it. Apparently that now means he will no longer be disruptive. The fact that someone of your obvious intelligence considers that this editor has changed his behaviour is astonishing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
No, it's me saying it's out of my hands now. He (or of course possibly she) decided at the time of that block no longer to ping me or Drmies; they're on their own, and are being treated like other unregistered editors. I'm now primarily someone who knows their history. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
They're not exactly being treated like other unregistered editors though, as the continued hostility indicates. Bretonbanquet, your comment toward Yngvadottir is a personal attack and shows only that you lack good faith and proper reading skills. Y, I was going to stay off-wiki for a while; now I think I might just throw my bit down here, since if it's people like this we're working for, then I really don't care much for the job. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Drmies: I'm clearly too thick-skinned when it comes to discerning attacks ... please don't retire from adminship, I believe the whole point is to try to serve the editing community (and try to hold it together). And we've lost a lot of good admins (far better than me, at least); please don't let's lose you. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Drmies, if you think that's a personal attack then I don't know what to say. The editor in question bandies naked insults around like sweets yet you see this as a personal attack. My apologies if Yngvadottir took it as a PA, but I maintain that I have always found the support of this guy to be surprising, given his history and total lack of interest in co-operating pleasantly. That's my point. My reading skills are not what's in question here. Do I lack good faith in either of you? No. Do I lack good faith in the IP? You bet. That said, neither this editor, nor I, nor any other editor, are worth stepping down for. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


It passed FAC! Got there eventually. Thanks for the work you, Drmies and Eric Corbett did at an earlier stage!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Good, congratulations! I did very little, though it was fun slamming in stuff alternately with Drmies; Eric did oodles and so did Giano IIRC. And we also had contributions from an estate agent :-) That was a fun collaboration, all told, though seeing what the cops did to the poor house made me sad. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
That was fun. Thanks Ernst (and your colleagues, and the FA reviewers of course) for taking it to the next level. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Althorp is one I was considering taking to FAC next but I don't feel confident with the history at all. It's lacking something...♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
As you know, I am a terrible judge of such things. There is a lot about the family rather than the house, but it's the description that I would further research, not the history. For example, what are mathematical tiles? And what's special about the carved window surrounds that merits quoting? Maybe I'm showing the shallowness of my architectural knowledge. My general impression is that it's an excellent article. But that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee until they raise the price again. Go for it. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is certainly a very comprehensive and resourceful one. View it on wikiwand with white text on dark, that's how wikipedia should look IMO! Much classier. Yes, that was my main concern with the history. The knowledge about the actual house at an earlier stage is sketchy and in parts it's bloated out with too much on the family I think to try to compensate. From the architecture down though I think it's approaching FA quality although the description in parts might need some work for clarity. The prose in places may need a bit of polishing... I think we'd probably be better trimming the history down a bit and not worrying too much about the coverage. The Tower House I think is the best bet next, I've opened a PR on that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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I have noticed you have been editing the Wikipedia articles on Colombian artist, David Manzur. I'm the artist assistant and coworker, he is very important in colombia and recently many foreign people have been interested in his work and I (with huge help from a friend) have been trying to create Wikipedia articles on him in different languages. I created a small text in spanish using references and citing my sources and it has been translated to many other languages. I studied political science and my life is only about Art, I´m not really an expert on using Wikipedia, for what i have seen you are interested in art and you know how to handle Wikipedia, I would be eternally helpful if you could help me , and specially my friend whose task is to post information on Wikipedia, to create proper Wikipedia articles on Manzur having in mind that in my country he is widely recognized along artists such as Alejandro Obregón, Edgar Negret and Botero. I'm truly sorry to bother you, and I do sincerely hope that could help us to create something acceptable and proper for him. Thank you. Do excuse my English, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipeatx (talkcontribs) 05:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for answering my message so soon. Yes, I did write the article in spanish trying to be neutral and using correctly all my references. Since David and I work so much everyday, I asked my friend Marcela Franco to create an account to help us upload some information to Wikipedia. She did a wonderful job in spanish and I asked her to use the same text in english, french and portuguese with minor variations. I imagine she did not have much idea about copyright policies on Wikipedia, I will send to her the message you left me on my page. And also, I will tell her to make a small statement or her page that she is affiliated with the artist, and from now on, all the editing and the uploading of pictures will be through her account and not anyone else´s. I created this account to be able to message you and to ask you for advise personally, but it is her job to create the wikipedia pages on David.

According to the reference of MOMA, it's the Museum of Modern Art of Bogotá and not the one in New York.

I have a final question if you don't mind. Before Marcela altered the Wikipedia articles on David, when we searched for him in Google we could see the knowledge graph on him on the right with some personal information from wikipedia and some related searches. It doesn't appear anymore in Spanish or in any other language, why do you think that is?

Thank you for all your help, I'm sure your advise will be of much use to my friend Pipeatx 21:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipeatx (talkcontribs)

Thnak you again[edit]

You are always so kind for answering my questions. I do appreciate that very much. Pipeatx 16:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipeatx (talkcontribs)


Please take a look at the article about Måns Zelmerlöw. I have done several edits to improve the article ahead of his likely Melodifestivalen winning next weekend. Any further improvements are appreciated. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)