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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 18:14, 20 September 2008 [1].

List of UEFA Super Cup winners[edit]

I'm nominating this list for featured list status as I believe it meets the criteria, it is factually accurate, well referenced and has undergone a peer review which addressed some concerns about the list. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Otherwise, sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've replaced the dead link NapHit (talk) 15:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "..UEFA Cup established in 1972. ..."consider a comma after Cup or add "which was" in there.
  • "The last Super Cup contested between the winners of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup Winners' Cup " - you're repeating the last sentence almost completely - perhaps "The last Super Cup in this format..."?
  • I would state clearly that you mean A.C. Milan in the lead, so as not to cause confusion amongst non-experts.
  • Not sure Italy needs to be linked really.
  • Update current champions - I thought this was Zenit St Petes beating Man Utd?
  • Last para is a little, well, clunky. Two non-related (bullet point almost) factoids. Can you improve the readability?
  • "The UEFA Super Cup which the winner receives" - not keen -maybe something like "The trophy awarded to the winner of the UEFA Super Cup competition"?
  • Not keen on the repeated headings between 1985 and 1987.
I agree but the only reason it is there is because the 1986 final was not a two-legged match, therefore it would not work under the home and away headers, it could be listed under the home and away headings, but could confuse readers, especially when the final was held in Monaco. NapHit (talk) 14:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the location "Monaco, Monaco" really required?
Just Monaco now NapHit (talk)
  • Russia should have a win in their col after this year's match.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed all your comments, Cheers NapHit (talk) 14:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • is there a reason why the tables are not the same width?
They are the same width
  • you forgot to color the 1972 entry.
Fixed
  • I am confused to why is the 1986 entry only a single -legged one and why does it have the ! type headings right before and right after it?
The 1986 is a single legged because there was only one leg instead of two, if you click on the note titled f in the notes section all will be explained. It also has a different table because, it was held at a neutral venue therefore no team was home or away, making the normal table useless, so this one is used to clarify things
Ah ok. but still, because it is the only one like this I would still add a summary row for the sake of similarity with the other rows. Nergaal (talk) 06:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've repeated the original row at the top underneath the single match final, which I think clears any confusion NapHit (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • for the nations table you probably want to add a column with the number of teams per nation
Not sure what you mean here, but the winners and runners-up column represent how many times teams from the nation have won and lost the competition
I mean to have a column showing how many different teams won at least once/were runners up. For example Italy would have 4 different teams that won at least once. Nergaal (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think this is necessary, the winners and runners-up is the most important thing, not how many different teams have been runners-up, I think it would make the table confusing if this information was added NapHit (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • no need to overlink teh publishers in the refs section
This is common in most featured lists, there is nothing wrong with linking the refs

Nergaal (talk) 06:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I've addressed them NapHit (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments General support, but just a couple of small things. I think I am also meant to mention that I contributed significantly to this list

  • My main point is to look at the wikilinks in the "Location" column. I see two options:
  1. If you don't want to link everything, the current wikilinking is inconsistent. A few examples
    1. 1972 - "Amsterdam, Netherlands" (both linked) & 1973 - "Amsterdam, Netherlands" (only nl linked)
    2. In 1993 - Italy is linked twice in "Parma, Italy" and directly below in "Milan, Italy". But in 1994 it is "Milan, Italy" with neither linked.
    3. Single-legged - "Monaco" & "Stade Louis II" are linked on very row.
  2. Personally I would wikilink it all. The overlinking MOS states an exception for tables: "Table entries are an exception to this; each row of a table should be able to stand on its own". Which surely means if you are going to assume the reader doesn't know where Italy is anywhere in the article you should assume it in every row.
From my experience, overlinking is only permitted to tables that sort, which the first table does not. So I'm little reluctant to link the the whole lot, but I have adhered to what you said before suggesting linking the whole article, so hopefully we can reach a compromise NapHit (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • My other point would be to change the contrast of colours between the green and blue to make them more clearly different, as at the moment they are quite similar.
Done

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Sortable tables need everything that is linkable to be linked each time. Some would argue that non-sortable tables don't need this. Just out of interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, happy to compromise on the linking. I think that all four colours could still be more distinct but it is not something to oppose on. My only remaining issue is in the last paragraph of the lead "The 1972 final between Dutch team Ajax and Glasgow's Rangers", shouldn't it be "Scotland's" Rangers, as looking from a worldwide point of view it may assume a knowledge where "Glasgow" is. Good work on this list. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to Scotland, thanks for spotting that NapHit (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
SatyrTN comments
  • I can't be the first person to not know what "Two-legged finals" are?
Added something in the lead
  • Why are the column headings repeated after 1985 and 1986?
Because the 1986 final was a single match held at a neutral venue, therefore it does not conform to the header at the top, and to avoid confusion the header is repeated underneath, to signify the other finals were not single matches NapHit (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • For "Results by teams" and "Winners by country", are both those "winners"? Or "wins"? In other words, did Italy win the cup nine times? Or have nine teams that won?
Italy had nine teams that won the cup, I've changed the title to results by country, if this helps
  • UEFA Super Cup doesn't need to be in the "See also" - it's already linked at the top.
removed
there is already a template for the winning managers, so it would be pointless to include it there
I wouldn't add the *template* for winning managers. What I meant was adding a *link* to the "List of .. winning managers" to the "UEFA club competition winners". But like I said - that isn't really a part of this FLC :)

Thanks for the comments they've been addressed NapHit (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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