Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of current NHL captains and alternate captains

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 05:45, 28 February 2009 [1].

List of current NHL captains and alternate captains[edit]

Nominator(s): iMatthew // talk //

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iMatthew // talk // 20:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General comment

Fix the dabs, as seen in the toolbox.

Lead

The National Hockey League (NHL) is a professional ice hockey league composed of 30 teams, founded in 1917. | The final part of this statement should be "which was founded in 1917."
Currently, the Florida Panthers and the Toronto Maple Leafs have no captain, and have instead named four or five alternate captains.[3][4] | I thought that teams could only select up to 3 alternative captains if they have no main captain?
- A team may also choose not to select a captain and instead select up to three alternate captains, unless a main captain does not exist. | This doesn't really help, it says that The team cannot select more than 3 if they dont choose 1 main captain, but if one doesn't exist then ..?? [it says the same thing]--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 21:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However, Vancouver Canucks goaltender, Roberto Luongo is the team's current captain, but two (of the three) alternate captains handle on-ice duties in his place: Willie Mitchell serves as the liaison with the officials, and Mattias Ohlund handles ceremonial aspects of the game (e.g. faceoffs). | (1)Comma after Luongo (2)Remove the comma before and Mattias Ohlund
- Actually, you can remove both commas before and after Luongo because in this context its not needed.--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 21:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Toews is younger than two current captains—Sidney Crosby of the Pittsburgh Penguins, who is the youngest-ever permanent captain and Vincent Lecavalier of the Tampa Bay Lightning, who has captained the Lightning in two stints seven years apart. | Comma after permanent captain and the last part should be along the lines of "in two stints that were seven years apart."
In 1984, Brian Bellows was named temporary captain of the Minnesota North Stars when Craig Hartsburg was injured. | If this article is about the current captains, why is this noted?

Notes

Toronto Maple Leafs player Mats Sundin, at the time an unrestricted free agent after the 2007–08 season did not sign a new contract, leaving the Leafs with no captain. | Comma before did not sign
Despite goaltenders not being allowed to act as captains during the game, Roberto Luongo was named captain for the Canucks, but was not allowed to wear a C on his jersey. He incorporated it into the artwork on the front of his mask, however. | The other captains are linked in the notes, so per consistency Luongo should be linked.

References

Ref #1 | Rules isn't necessarily the work, the work field is if the publisher is getting the published content from somewhere else, like Billboard and Nielsen.
Ref # 7 | Joe Pelletier. is not the publisher.
Ref # 9 | I don't know how trusted this website is or its reliability, but my Firefox malicious site report system found this site as an attack site.--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 20:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Completed every comment, thanks. Also for the last one about the refs, it's from the team's official website, therefore reliable. Do you mean a different one? iMatthew // talk // 21:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm. Either my system is retarded or I must be dreaming. Looks fixed now.--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 21:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay cool. Done, thanks! iMatthew // talk // 21:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well removing that statement doesn't help any better. There has to be a way to explain that statement to coincide with the 4/5 alt. captains that some teams have.--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 21:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - It's nothing I can think of. Suggestions? iMatthew // talk // 22:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I mean the original statement stated that if a team chooses not to have a main captain, they can have the maximum of 3 alt. captains. But the other statement said that some teams have no captain with 4/5 alt. captains, so I think something is misworded here.--<TRUCO> ⁵⁰³ 22:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)-[reply]
        Still not sure what you mean here. iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        This statement [Each team is also permitted to select a maximum of two alternate captains who serve as the liaison to the officials when the captain is not on the ice.] contradicts this statement [Some teams in the NHL have no captain. Currently, the Florida Panthers and the Toronto Maple Leafs have no captain, and have instead named four or five alternate captains.] It needs to be explained why they have more than the "stated max of 2 alt. captains". Is that better worded?--TRU CO 00:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of Truco's concerns seem to have been addressed. Maxim _(talk) 01:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Followup comment

The Minnesota Wild do not name a captain for the full season; rather, they rotate captains on a month-to-month basis. -- Do you mean The Minnesota Wild have not named a captain for the full season; rather, they will rotate captains on a month-to-month basis.?--TRU CO 23:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. iMatthew // talk // 23:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well that sentence needs revising because do not name is not grammatically correct. Unless you mean "did not name"?--TRU CO 23:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How is it not grammatically correct? But no, I mean do not name. iMatthew // talk // 00:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Now I see, I was misreading that statement.--TRU CO 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRU CO 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Nurmsook

Comments from Nurmsook (talk · contribs)

I changed some of the images to better reflect the scope of the article.
There should be a note reflecting the monthly rotating captaincy of the Minnesota Wild (I think Buffalo might do this as well)
You need a ref for the Ohlund/Mitchell captaincy duties in place of Luongo in the lead. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 04:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked for sources about this, and I can't find anything... iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - For the rotating captaincy it appears as though the Sabres only did this last year. As for the Wild, a quick Google search of "Minnesota Wild rotating captaincy" should solve the problem. And for the Canucks reference, just check the 2008–09 Vancouver Canucks season article. There's one in the pre-season section. All of these are pretty well documented topics, so it won't be difficult at all to find sources. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 20:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Further, the lead states that teams can choose a maximum of two alternate captains, but many of these teams have more than two. This is very confusing, and needs to be clarified. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 20:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Alright so to get you started on this, according to Rule 14 of the NHL Rulebook, when the captain is not in uniform, a coach can deligate three alternate captains. In the ref in the Canucks' season article, it discusses that because Luongo is not "technically" an in uniform captain, the Canucks can have three alternates. As for the other teams listed with more than two, it's probably a rotating alternate captaincy, so you'll have to do some mega research to clarify that all. I hate to say it, but without a ton of sources, I don't think this is going to pass FLC. But don't give up! The sources are for sure out there and I'll do my best to help ya out!! – Nurmsook! ^talk... 06:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I went through the lead and added a ton of references and expanded it quite a bit, but it still needs quite a bit of work before it passes. It should give you a good start though. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 19:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of Nurmsook's concerns seem to have been addressed. Maxim_(talk) 01:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: All of my comments seem to have been addressed. Looks good! – Nurmsook! ^talk... 01:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

"Both letters are 3 inches (7.6 cm) high." I don't get this sentence. What do you mean by high?
So could the Canucks have 3 alternate captains on while Luongo is also on?
- I took the information from their roster page. iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I knew that, but was wondering if you could get any more information about the Canucks captains. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1984, Brian Bellows was named temporary captain of the Minnesota North Stars when Craig Hartsburg was injured.[9]" What has this have to do with the last paragraph?
Like Nurmsook said, you should mention about the Wild and Sabres rotations for main captains.
- I can't find anything that says anything about this. iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm 100% sure that there are information on the internet about this situation. You could ask some experts about the source finding. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you put "Captain(s)" instead of "Captain" when teams can only have one main captain?
"Florida Panthers traded Olli Jokinen to the Phoenix Coyotes during the 2008 NHL Entry Draft weekend, leaving them without a captain." You don't have to mention something about before the season. Florida could have just picked another one.
- So remove the note? iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I believe you should. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. iMatthew // talk // 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Same with the Sundin one.
- So remove the note? iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - {Above} -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. iMatthew // talk // 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what was the consensus here? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think ref 6 should be using {{cite news}}.
- I'd disagree, it's a website article.

Done, with comments. iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24_[c]

I think you should mention that alternate captains are appointed before each game.
- What do you mean, before each game? iMatthew // talk // 13:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I meant that that are assigned before each NHL game...how clear do you want me to me? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I would disagree with this. Why not mention that captains are appointed before each game too then? It's not really noteworthy to add. It's just a coach listing who his captains are on his game sheet. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 20:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I believe it is, especially for the alternates, as some readers may be confused why there are more the 2 alternate captains, when only 2 should be assigned to a game. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        It's hard to complete a review when the reviewers are not on the same page. Can we decided on something here? iMatthew // talk // 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you are finished with this...

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"founded in 1917" Not really necessary.

It adds some context IMO.

captain who has the "sole privilege of discussing with the Referee any questions relating to interpretation of rules which may arise during the progress of a game."-->captain, who has the "sole privilege of discussing with the Referee any questions relating to interpretation of rules which may arise during the progress of a game". (note that I moved the period to outside the quotation marks.
"of two alternate captains who serve"-->of two alternate captains, who serve
"named captain name more than"—"name" repetition annoying, why not "select"?
"amongst"-->among
"and back to his crease" Not sure what this means.
File:NicklasLidstrom.jpg needs an author.
File:Joe sakic.jpg same.
"Player is currently on the Injured Reserve" Why is "Injured Reserve" capitalized? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

What makes http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2008/09/captain-puckstopper.html a reliable source?

The author of the blog is Joe Pelletier is a published ice hockey author. He is using the blog as a means of publishing information.

Likewise http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1982/82002.html?
Spell out abbreviations in the publishers such as TSN. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless otherwise specified, all done. Maxim_(talk) 00:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While we are on the topic of NHL articles, can you take a look at History of the National Hockey League (1967–1992) and History of the National Hockey League (1992–present) to do a prose check pre-FAC? Sorry for the off-topic note, but of course extra eyes (~~TalkPage~~FLCPage stalkers). Maxim_(talk) 01:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at 1967–92 a while back; I was almost finished with the fourth. Will go right now. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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