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This is a list of characters who appeared in the show Friends. It has the "cleanup" tag, so I hope it may not affect your ability to review this list. This list is organized into characters who debuted in their own seasons. I wonder if there is such thing as a Good List rather than a Good Article. If I want this list to be a Featured List, what are required criteria that must be met? Is this list's current arrangement good?

Thanks, George Ho (talk) 05:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lemonade51 comments: I don't see why this list can not be a WP:FLC; though a FL director (like Giants2008 or The Rambling Man) would be better placed to give judgement. Obviously subsational work needs to be done before it can meet the requirements. You can find the criteria here. Below are a few suggestions having skim read:

Have a look at Category:FL-Class fictional character articles; lists which are related to the topic.
I would suggest using a table to organise the text. Characters in the first column, actor/actress in the second, description in the third. References were applicable. Be sure that the table meets MOS:DTT.
- N Not done and not likely to be done - It's a terrible idea. Look at how big the abstracts are. Simple prose is enough. I think a subheading would do, wouldn't it? Look at List of Sailor Moon characters; a table format would be too much for a list like that. --George Ho (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for List of human Sesame Street characters. I don't mean one big table, just a table for each heading. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 17:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - ...I will do this for season-only characters, not the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Ho (talk • contribs) 21:52, 13 April 2012‎ (UTC)[reply]
      - Separated recurring characters and season-only characters. Is this more organized? --George Ho (talk) 04:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's better if you do a table for each heading or don't do it at all, per WP:CONSISTENCY. Why do 'Only in season six' and 'Only in season eight' guests don't have a table but the others do? I suggest keeping the widths fixed to make it more presentable if you do use the table.

All "season-only" characters are tabled. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should have clarified myself earlier: the tables would need to be included for the main characters, recurring characters and season-only characters. Per WP:CONSISTENCY.
- Bad idea. I knew the table is a bad idea. Can I turn the table format back into sections, please? --George Ho (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Remove in the character table. Fails MOS:BOLD. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Which ones? I have done the wikilinking of "Jill Green" in the picture of Reese Witherspoon. By the way, the template may need to be de-wikified --George Ho (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can if you want to, just that not having a table may not stand up in a FLC nom. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then how can you explain List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters? --George Ho (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was passed in May 2009, guidelines have changed since then. As I've said before, it's best to discuss that with an FLC director: Giants2008 or TRM. They are better advised if a table could be used. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which TRM? --George Ho (talk) 17:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With tables that include rowscopes, use class="wikitable plainrowheaders", not class="wikitable".
- Done that. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why is an image of Jon Favreau inside the box?
- Now outside the box. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Try to avoid jargon such as "Kudrow began her comedic career as a member of The Groundlings, joining the ranks of those such as Will Ferrell and Janeane Garofalo." Is that even needed, the reader is looking for a character description. If you want, you could include that below the heading/above the table, ensuring it's properly referenced.
Does 'characters' need to be bold in the lead? Nothing mentioned about guest stars in the lead too.
- Done; unbolded. --George Ho (talk) 17:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dablink needs fixing.
As do some dead links
- One still standing dead, I think. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Be consistent with reference date format, '2009-03-08' or 'August 12, 1996'?
Descrptions toward the later seasons have airdates in brackets (e.g.: airdate November 21, 2002; Season 9, No. 8). Is that needed?
If you are nominating this for FLC sometime in the future, images need WP:ALT
Descriptions could do with much work. I haven't scanned for detailed prose issues, but evident some have WP:WEIGHT issues, others not sourced.
What constitutes for 'other characters'? For instance, in season eight Chris Parnell, Johnny Messner and Kevin Rahm all guest starred and aren't included. The latter actor probably had more dialogue then Brad Pitt who is mentioned. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 09:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MAJOR UPDATE: Boy, if List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters ain't qualified as a List, then List of Friends characters should be an Article, as well as List of Harry Potter supporting characters. Changed topic from List to Arts. --George Ho (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now there are no tables left; just subsections. --George Ho (talk) 18:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I wonder if you have read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists. --George Ho (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]