Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Kanye West

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The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Description[edit]

A critically acclaimed and commercially successful rapper and producer with a large number of Top Importance Articles. All his 10 studio albums, 2 live albums, 2 short films, 1 (out of 4) official mixtapes, 1 (out of 6) world tours, 1 DVD, 1 book, 1 label and 25 singles (on which he is the lead artist) have articles but are in need of improvement. Only 2 of his articles (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy) are Good Articles (There are no FAs). His awards and nominations is a featured list though. He deserves to have a Wikiproject. I mean he is more successful and acclaimed than Rihanna and that woman called Gagga or something. Also, he has won the most number of Grammy Awards by a hip hop artist with 14. Kanyewest1123 (talk) 19:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Show the subject is big enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kanye_West

Show that you are aware of related projects:

  • WikiProject:Hip Hop
  • WikiProject:Chicago
  • WikiProject:Musicians
List of important pages and categories for this proposed group
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Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.
Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
He is a commercially successful and critically acclaimed musician with a scope of improvement on a large number of articles. He has 6 studio albums, 2 live albums, 4 official mixtapes, 2 DVDs, 2 short movies, 4 worldwide tours, 1 book, his own label, his own line of shoes and a huge number of singles he has either performed on or produced. Also is part of a group (Child Rebel Soldier). All his 6 studio albums, 2 live albums, 2 short films, 1 (out of 4) official mixtapes, 1 (out of 4) world tours, 1 DVD, 1 book, 1 label and 25 singles have articles but are in need of improvement. Only 2 of his articles (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy) are Good Articles (There are no FAs).

Support[edit]

Please specify whether or not you would join the project.

  1. Kanyewest1123 (talk) 19:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I would join this WikiProject if it were to be created. The scope seems large enough. status ϟ talk 21:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Why not? Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interesting... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 09:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Why not? There's A LOT that can be written on Kanye and his works. Netrat (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  6. I think we can do it, Kanye has a done a lot for the music industry. Matt G talk at me
  7. I have done some work on Kanye's songs in the past and would gladly help. Quite a few of his articles are on the verge of Good Articles and with a large enough group of people we could do an amazing amount of good. Bruce Campbell (talk)
  8. I support the idea of having a wiki project for Kanye, but I will most likely not take part in it. Mattchewbaca (meow) 05:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Alright, I'm in for it. --BoBjOnEsPiE (Send me a message) 00:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

One question, before making my decision Mr. West. Aside from yourself, is there anyone else that is really going to participate and better the scope of his discography? Or is this project going to just rot there with 2 GAs and 1 participant? No offense intended, but I have yet to see a real interest in this topic even from you, so I must ask. And I wonder how someone who has made less than 50 edits and has been here less than a week has already proposed a project. You sure you've never been here before?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 09:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I second this. And for me, this was enough for an Oppose from me. You need to show a real interest and flare for Kanye articles before you decide you want a Wikiproject after editing for only one week. I can't see this Wikiproject being maintained and I don't think people will join, not even the people who are in favour of it above. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually didn't even read that jab. Oh, I wouldn't talk KW, Rihanna and Gaga have more popularity in New Zealand than Kanye will ever have around the entire planet Lol. Unlike him, they are actually popular outside the states.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Nathan I have been here before I just can't remember my password as I was inactive for a long time. Alright I agree to suspend the proposal till some other people wanna join in as well.

@Calvin Just coz I half diss ur favorite artists (Not dissing Rihanna btw she's hot n I like some of her songs/videos n I am part of her WikiProject) u decide to oppose this. Neither of the two are as critically acclaimed (Kanye West has a rating of 80 on metacritic, Rihanna has 71 and gaga has 67 even though Kanye's rating includes VH1 Storytellers which wasn't really an album) and commercially successful (5 #1 albums which they don't have together and like 12 million album sales to 7 for gaga n like 5 for Rihanna). Also he has 5 singles which have sold over 3 million digitally (dunno if Rihanna's better at this tho).

I actually Opposed before I wrote that comment, check the history. And Rihanna has 10 number one singles which have all gone platinum, Kanye has 4, so Rihanna has most probably sold more singles. I just don't think Kanye is worthy. Several people above have said that his articles are on the verge of GA, so a Wikiproject is not needed. If they were Starts, Stubs, or C's, then that would be different, a group of dedicated editors would be needed. But I guarantee that all the Supports will not result in them all joining. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 00:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Around 70 of his articles are stubs, starts or Cs; 5-10 are rated Bs when they are at best starts; 20-30 articles need to be created (mostly featured Singles) and about 10-20 are Bs and can be improved to GAs since they are major articles (albums, best-selling singles, debut, etc.) A couple of people have said they would join the Project and I don't see any harm in making one when there are a few more people. kanYeWest1123 (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm telling you now that some of the current 7 will not join and will not help make articles GAs. It's like the J Lo Wikiproject, it got 8 Supports and 0 Opposes, yet only 4 joined and nothing is being done. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Calvin let's not forget that a lot of people joined Rihanna's WikiProject, but you and Tomica are really the only active editors. Pancake (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the point though. At least they joined the Wikiproject, and there is a lot of activity within the Wikiproject. It would be different if we had 4 people and no one did anything, but that is not the case. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 20:52, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from your reason to oppose, I still feel that you're only discussing this because you don't want him to have a Wikiproject due to not being "successful enough"? And your comment to Bruce is a little weird, "You don't need make [a WikiProject] just to make Kanye articles GA status". You don't need a Rihanna WikiProject to write GAs for her, but that seems to be OK? And frankly, Kanye is more successful than Rihanna, really, it's not all about #1's on Billboard, and he has many more articles since he is also a producer and stuff. Pancake (talk) 21:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've given multiple reasons why I am Opposing. I don't think he needs one just like I don't think J Lo needs one. Rihanna's articles were, and multiple still are, in really bad condition. People didn't want Rihanna to have one because they said she is not talented, so if they can say that, then I am entitled to my reasons for why Kanye shouldn't have done. His songs are well covered by Wikiprojects Hip Hop, Songs, Chicago and Musicians. And my comment is perfectly acceptable, as someone said that his articles are on the verge on GA, so I said you don't need a Wikiproject if they are already on the verge. Don't twist what I said. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 21:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@supporters Thanks for the support but please specify whether you will join the WikiProject. Kanyewest1123 (talk) not 15:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - If they are on the verge of being GAs, why is a Wikiproject needed? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 00:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To make them into GAs. Bruce Campbell (talk)
If they are on the verge, you don't need a Wikiproject. You don't need make one just to make Kanye articles GA status. Since Rihanna has received a Wikiproject, it's like everyone wants one for every artist (Jennifer Lopez, Eminem, now Kanye West). Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 13:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
By "quite a few" of his articles being on the verge being near GA status, that ultimately accounts for a very small percentage of his overall articles. You have articles like Graduation (album) and 808s & Heartbreak which probably don't need substantial work other than checking some of the references and going through the pose, that's merely a place to start. That's maybe like, 10 articles total, and there are dozens more in bad condition. But then you have "Category:Songs written by Kanye West", which contains 82 songs. Considering that only his main article, his latest solo album, and his first single are current GAs, that's a MASSIVE amount of work to be done. Than there are his albums which could become FAs, his discography which could become a FL, the GA series which could be made from his six albums, improved articles on his mixtapes, his tours, his live albums, etc. That kind of work needs a few people to be done.
Concerning whether or not Kanye is deserving of a project is another story. Jennifer Lopez, someone who I cannot really see having a massive fanbase, is understanding. If album sales, song sales, cultural relevance etc. is the decision maker of whether or not someone receives a Project, than Kanye would easily fit what is required. One of the most downloaded male artists of all time, with dozens of singles, 7 top 25 singles in a row, with 5 platinum albums, (his latest album has currently been #1 for two weeks in a row, and is soon is to become his sixth platinum album) who has a metacritic average of 80%, who has 14 Grammy and 36 nominations, with a likely AOTY nomination coming this year, who has founded his own record label and is one of the most culturally discussed artists in the world. He was certainly notable enough to have had Rihanna as his opening act and was going to tour with Lady Gaga and has his own individual Portal, for what it's worth.
If we could even get half a dozen people interested in this project, the amount of work that could be done is absolutely gigantic. Bruce Campbell (talk)
  • Comment – Why do people forget that Artist WikiProjects are about the size of the scope and not the artist's success? Btw, I might join, but only work on Watch the Throne and its songs. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you are saying but if I decide to start a WikiProject on artists like Eric B. & Rakim or Big Daddy Kane where the scope is very large, nobody will want to join.kanYeWest1123 (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Calvin, i see that you often bring this: "People didn't want Rihanna to have one because they said she is not talented." From where did you get that? And please my friends, a wikiproject is not only about commercial success, it is also about being critically acclaimed (Grammys, etc), which in my opinion, Kanye is. How does it feel when a singer x number one of singles and practically no important accolades. What i said may hurt some editors but there was no offense intended. This is why commercial success is not always a strong point. And concerning the number of people wo would participate, please drop this issue. How many participants in the Wikiproject of Beyonce, Mariah Carey, Lady GaGa, Rihanna, Jennifer Lopez, Kylie Minogue, Janet Jackson promote articles to GAs??? In most of these cited wikiprojects, one editor does that, maximum two but not more!!! And i know what i have written. If you have something to ask me, read my statement well first. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Several articles are on the verge of GA, so a Wikiproject is not needed..." is not a valid argument. They are not GAs. They are on the verge of being GAs. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose[edit]

  1. I don't think I can think of anyone who is less deserving of a Wikiproject. Just leave it for WP:SONGS to do. And the dig about Rihanna and Lady Gaga further reinforces my Oppose. They are actually more successful than Kanye. Rihanna and Gaga are far more popular and have significantly larger articles, that is why they have Wikiprojects. (By the way, Kanye isn't even on the list of Best Selling Artists). Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I havn't seen a more pathetic and lame-ass reason for oppose than Calvin's, but my reason is that this will be again a single-person effort, presumably by User:Kanyewest, and half the people won't join. Plus Kanye is well covered under WikiProject Hip Hop and to be frank, his articles are not that bad that it would cater to the establishment of a Wikiproject to take care of it. — Legolas (talk2me) 12:26, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't start. That is my opinion, respect it or ignore it. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Settle down fellas. Let's keep this nice and amicable :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per both above.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per all above. Not that great yet. Veriss (talk) 09:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose until more West-related articles are upgraded to GA at least. For example, 70 of 260 WikiProject Michael Jackson articles are GA or higher. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    60, not 70. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:49, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I dont get your reason Andrew. If we upgrade all his articles to GAs or FAs before the creation of the WikiProject, what will the purpose of its creation be?? kanYeWest1123 (talk) 03:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    To maintain them... Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  6. It would be better to keep related articles within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Hip hop. Single musical artist projects invariably fail. If you look at the directory you will see that over half the band and artist projects are inactive, many others have been deleted. Much better to support the genre project, which has a much better chance of being sustained. --Kleinzach 00:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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