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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:26, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

SMS Emden (1908)[edit]

Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)

The first light cruiser article of mine to grace the ACR pages - I'm hoping to get Emden to FA in time to run on 9 November 2014, the centenary of her loss at the Battle of Cocos. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

commentsSupport good to go MisterBee1966 (talk) 13:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

  • the Dresden class article states (see table) that she was laid down 6 April 1906 (source is Forstmeier, p. 2). The article only states a vague date of 1906. If I read HRS v3 top of page 39 correctly she was built as Ersatz Pfeil and laid down on 1 November 1906. Am I reading this correctly? MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Hmm, this will require some looking into - I don't have HRS or Forstmeier in front of me at the moment though.
      • I'll wait until you check into this MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
        • Based on this, it looks like Forstmeier was confused - 6 April was the date the order was placed with KW Danzig, not the date her keel was laid. We'll go with the date from HRS. Parsecboy (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
  • the ISBN number for HRS is formated differently then the other ISBN numbers. You used 3782202112 maybe use 3-7822-0211-2 or 978-3-7822-0211-4 MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:28, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Added the hyphens, thanks.
  • side note not related to this review: I would like to understand better what the criteria for winning the Kaiser's Schießpreis were. It seems that it was awarded/winnable in the infantry, artillery and navy. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:36, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
    • From what I can tell, each unit (the Squadrons of the HSF, the East Asia Squadron, etc.) competed, so in a given year, there would be winners from each unit, and I'd imagine each Army division would work the same way. But I don't really know for sure.
  • Is Karl von Müller overlinked (in lead and in main text)? MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:56, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
    • I usually link things in both the lead and main body, which is acceptable per WP:OVERLINK. Parsecboy (talk) 13:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Support Comments

  • captain the ship during her career in World War I howzabout deleted "her career"?
    • Good point.
  • How many prop shafts?
    • Added.
  • annual repair work awkward, how about "refit" instead?
    • Sounds fine to me.
  • she left Tsingtau on 28 December, and Nürnberg left Hong Kong too many "left"s here.
    • Changed the first to "departed"
  • landing corps is rather strange terminology, how about "landing force", or if you're really traditional, "landing party"
    • Yeah, I was probably hewing a little too close to the Landungskorps ;)
  • Why didn't Müller destroy Glen Turret? She was British.
    • I asked that question myself, but I don't know the answer. Perhaps she wasn't carrying anything that could be construed as having a military purpose? But the sources don't say.
  • wireless station wireless compartment?
    • Sure.
  • Where is Lyons Press based at?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Added, thanks for the review Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 13:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Support Comments

  • "Emden was decommissioned in September after she completed her trials.": It strikes me (as someone not overly familiar with the Germany Navy) as odd that a brand new ship is decommissioned so may warrant an explanation.
    • The source (Hildebrand et. al.) doesn't say specifically, so I can't really add anything, but generally, the German navy was expanding rapidly at the time and didn't have the manpower to keep all of its ships in commission. For instance, the brand-new battleship Rheinland had to be decommissioned to provide a crew for the battlecruiser SMS Von der Tann.
  • Oberbürgermeister: translations are provided for other German terms eg ranks, but not this one.
    • Added.
  • Some inconsistencies in spelling here: Tsingtau / Tsingtao.
    • Translating from German, sometimes I get stuck in German spellings for places :)
  • "She anchored at Papeete, Tahiti on 12 July, her coal bunkers nearly empty after crossing 4,200 nautical miles...": Did the Emden recoal prior to reaching China?
    • Yes, at Papeete, but I see that that's not clear from how it was worded. Should be better now.
  • "The two cruisers reinforced German forces there...": Probably should be specific if "there" means Ponape or the Carolines.
    • Good point.
  • Vizeadmiral is linked twice.
    • Fixed.

The above points are pretty minor issues in the scheme of things, this is a really good piece of work which I found particularly interesting. Zawed (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review, Zawed. Parsecboy (talk) 14:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Looks good, have added my support. Zawed (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.