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I made us a userbox[edit]

Nevermind... There is already one on the first page which i somehow missed after checking before making this. I will now hide in shame. PsychoticSpartan123 (talk)

Problem with tenses in biographical articles[edit]

Another editor keeps changing the text of Titus Aebutius Elva to read as if he were still alive. The text originally read, "~ was the father of..." and now it reads, "~ is the father of..." I've tried reverting this, since deceased persons are not normally spoken of in the present tense. But the editor will not be denied; his edit summaries read:

  • "a a birth relation never has a tense only life or death of the person"
  • "WP should not contain false statements. you can never except through law and annulment that someone is you parent or your sibling or your child or your relative."
  • "...but not the relationship that exists between them that will always exists one is the father and one is the son and death will not change that; only whether one or both are dead"
  • "death has no effect if someone is your father or son. even when someone dies one is the father and the other is the son. the interaction may not be as before but one is the father and one is the son."

This makes no sense. It's not a philosophical argument. I don't know what the next step in this process should be. Should I ask an administrator to semi-protect the page? P Aculeius (talk) 03:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Maybe asking at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies for advice is a better idea? Looking at his Contributions, he has made this change to quite a lot of pages recently, so just semi-protecting this one doesn't seem very fruitful. Fornadan (t) 08:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I've opened a new section at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Is or was and asked the editor to discuss it there.[1] NebY (talk) 10:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

What were the omens given to Caesar by Mutunus Tutunus?[edit]

In the article Mutunus Tutunus it is stated that Augustus had the sacellum of the god on the Velia demolished because it had given bad omens about Caesar's demise. This is referenced to an article by Palmer. However it is not stated what these omens were concretely and the authorities relating such facts.

Could someone help? Is it Plutarch...?Aldrasto11 (talk) 07:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Presumably the speculative argument is based on Cassius Dio 44.16.3 "Moreover, the sacrifices which [Julius Caesar] offered because of these occurrences were not at all favourable, and the birds he used in divination forbade him to leave the house." (No mention that it was Liber and I'm not sure how sound an identification of Liber with Mutinus Tutinus is). Suetonius and Plutarch don't mention sacrifices. Furius (talk) 11:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I shall have a look...Mutunus T. may be identified with the Genius Publicus P. R., and it sounds very odd that Augustus had it demolished.Aldrasto11 (talk) 12:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Plutarch, Ceasar, 63.12; "And when the seers also, after many sacrifices, told him that the omens were unfavourable, he resolved to send Antony and dismiss the senate.", Appian, Civil War, II.115, "When he offered sacrifice there were many unfavourable signs." So textual tradition seems quite uniform on the sequence of events (I guess they all used the same source?): 1) In the morning Calpurnia warns Caesar after a bad dream 2) Caesar offers sacrifice, but the signs are unfavourable 3) He decides to send Antony to dismiss the senate. 4) But Decimus Brutus convinces him to reconsider. No explicit mention to whom he sacrificed though. Fornadan (t) 19:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I checked Cassius Dio. No mention of Liber. It might be assumed he sacrificed to the genius of the gens Julia or

the lar familiaris, but anyway it looks hardly possible to infer that the Mutunus T. of Rome gave unfavourable omens, and that Augustus acted in consequence of this fact.Aldrasto11 (talk) 12:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguating divinities[edit]

There is a request for comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. The question is: when a divinity has an ambiguous name, should its title use the word "(mythology)", "(deity)", or either "(god)" or "(goddess)"?

Anyone interested can make comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Disambiguations of divinities. A. Parrot (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Relevant move request[edit]

There is a move request at Talk:Ceres (dwarf planet) that members of this project may be interested in. Egsan Bacon (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)