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==Untitled==
I have never seen such a fuc... up article on such an important intelligence organization as GRU.  Do yourself a favor -  Translate http://ru.wikipedia.org, or https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU  or other f.. horror.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.112.5.131|69.112.5.131]] ([[User talk:69.112.5.131|talk]]) 17:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: And, was it, ... the participation of the GRU in the sinking of the "Kursk 141". 
::Hello respected admirals, officers, and, sailors. Closing the rescue hatch. From the outside of the side. Or, GRU combat swimmers? Or, the divers of the FSB? Further . Who can guess? What did the FSB officers foil the temporary anti-hydrogen catalysts? All the ends are shod with these bastards. Boyfriends of the US CIA. Well, a CIA agent who participated in the action they ... where to Deli?[[Special:Contributions/109.134.133.241|109.134.133.241]] ([[User talk:109.134.133.241|talk]]) 08:57, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

==The article needs changes==
It needs them badly. Common style of the article isn't neutrile and antirussian. There are alot of definatly antirussian sources like different defectors and others such peopels, there are alot of unprooven phrases from politicians, that looks more like populism, then well-weighted statements. This should be cleaned out. Even references list in the end begins with GRUs defectors and so on - I don't think this is correct, as it's not GRUs purpose.  Oleg_Str

==Rewrite sentence==
Could someone rewrite the following sentence:
<blockquote>
During its history, the GRU was always a subordinate to the NKVD, its successors (KGB, etc.), the GRU has at different times, made very spectacular recruits of foreign agents, and was the first Soviet intelligence service, to exploit the lax security of western companies, and began to steal S&T (Science and technology) though this later became a domain controlled by KGB, under line x, later Directorate T.
</blockquote>
It's a long, run-on sentence and I can't make heads nor tails of it. [[User:Abigail-II|Abigail]] 16:25, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

: how's this:
::During the entire period it operated, GRU was always subordinate to the NKVD and its successors (KGB, etc.).  The GRU was particularly successful in recruiting foreign agents, and was the first Soviet intelligence service to exploit the lax security of western companies.  GRU agents pioneered espionage targeted at gaining science and technology (S&T) material.  This function later fell to the KGB, under its "line x" (later Directorate T).
: -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 01:17, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

==Article rename==
Any objection to an article rename to the full name? To be more consistent with other Russian articles. -[[User:N328KF|Joseph]] 04:24, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

:The renaming is wrong. The abbreviation GRU is well known, the full name is not so. &mdash; [[User:Monedula|Monedula]] 20:59, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC).

==Holy Similarities Batman!==
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Was the symbol of the GRU spetsnaz later adapted into [[Batman]]'s symbol? The two are pretty much identical. I scanned through Batman's article, and nothing of the sort was listed under "Costume."
:Your title for this section made me laugh. First I thought they had nicked the Batman logo, but it's the other way around{{Talkfact}}. The spanish version of this article has a similar logo. AFAIK, this logo is the real one. I think its supposed to represent a bird overlooking the world, not a bat.--[[User:81.105.251.160|81.105.251.160]] 22:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

::But yeah my first impression of seeing that symbol was like: BATMAN. Lol, guess those of us living in the West have a pretty different POV on that bat-looking symbol. :P [[Special:Contributions/24.80.236.14|24.80.236.14]] ([[User talk:24.80.236.14|talk]]) 23:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==NOT emblem of GRU==
The emblem pictured on this page is NOT that of GRU.  Along the bottom is does in fact say, in Russian, "Military intelligence," but along the top the acronym is "VS RF."  I'm not sure what "VS" means, but "RF" certainly means "Russian Federation" ("Rossiiskaia federatsiia" in Russian).  In other words, this emblem might be that of a post-Soviet successor organization, but it is NOT that of the Soviet-era GRU. [[User:Terrasirradient|Terrasirradient]] 16:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6177531.stm This] (see the second image) seems to imply that the logo (if not the GRU name) is still in current use. [[User:Lionfire|Lionfire]] 01:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

::It's correct for the current GRU. VS RF is Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (perhaps better sense is Military Forces of the Russian Federation). [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]] 14:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

==Deletion of text==
Vlad Fedorov deleted the following large portions of text:

During [[2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy]] several GRU officers were accused by Georgian authorities of preparations to commit [[sabotage]] and [[terrorist]] acts. GRU detachments from [[Chechnya]] were transferred to [[Lebanon]] independently on the [[United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon]] after [[2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict]] "to improve Russia’s image in the Arab world", according to [[Sergei Ivanov]].<ref name="debka4"> [http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3354 Moscow posts two Chechen platoons in S. Lebanon, one headed by an ex-rebel commander, "to improve Russia’s image in the Arab world"] by DEBKAfile </ref> [[Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev]] was assassinated by two GRU officers. GRU officers are accused of creating criminal [[death squads]]<ref name="Korolkov"> [http://2007.novayagazeta.ru/nomer/2007/01n/n01n-s00.shtml Special services are making teams for extrajudicial punishment (Russian)] by Igor Korolkov, [[Novaya Gazeta]], January 11, 2007. </ref>
			
Special services are making teams for extrajudicial punishment (Russian)] by Igor Korolkov, [[Novaya Gazeta]], January 11, 2007. </ref> 
It was reported that GRU helped [[Saddam Hussein]] to hide his [[Weapons of mass destruction]] before [[2003 invasion of Iraq|US invasion of Iraq in 2003]]<ref name="Dastych"> [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21448 Saddam's WMDs and Russia] -by David Dastych, Canada Free Press, February 28, 2006 </ref><ref name="pacep0"> [http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111 Russia Hid Saddam's WMDs] -by [[Ion Mihai Pacepa]], [[Washington Times]], October 2, 2003. 

This text was supported by references and relevant to the subject. Therefore, I had to restore it. ~~~~

==Iraq/ WMD==
I read both articles that are referenced as supporting the claim, that the GRU cleaned Iraq of WMD's before the 2003 Invasion- but both of articles are mere speculation and there is not one official source or some documents that they are based on. Also, both were published in the Washington Times and that is as if Wikipedia would rely solely on Fox News for its political articles. Therefore i removed the sentence until some proof backs this claim up.
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==Reply (GRU and Saddam's WMD)==
'''Russia "Cleaned Up" Saddam's WMD'''

Former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense [[John A. Shaw]], a "top [[Pentagon]] official who was responsible for tracking [[Saddam Hussein]]'s weapons programs before and after the [[2003 invasion of Iraq|2003 liberation of Iraq]]," stated in [http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm October 2004], [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml March 2005], and again in [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh February 2006] that it was the [[Russia]]ns who helped Saddam Hussein to "clean up" his [[weapons of mass destruction]] stockpiles "to prevent the United States from discovering them." [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh]

In late October 2004, the [[International Atomic Energy Agency]] (IAEA), the [[United Nations]]' "nuclear watchdog", told the UN Security Council that the [[Iraqi Interim Government]] "reported to the agency" that approximately 380 tons of "conventional explosives" were "missing" from the "vast" Al Qa Qaa complex of "1,100 buildings" [http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm] about 30 miles south of Baghdad "after last year's [[invasion of Iraq|invasion]]."  [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3950493.stm][http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/25/iraq.explosives/index.html][http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/international/middleeast/25bomb.html?ex=1256356800&en=3bcf849cf3a68472&ei=5090&partner=kmarx]

IAEA Director-General [[Mohamed ElBaradei]] "passed on the letter from Iraqi authorities informing the agency of the theft." [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3950493.stm] The IAEA said that "the material, sealed and monitored by its inspectors until the [[invasion of Iraq|US-led invasion]], had gone missing some time after" April 9, 2003, "during 'the theft and looting of governmental installations'." The IAEA "last inspected the munitions at al-Qaqaa in January 2003 but [had] not been allowed back into Iraq" following the invasion. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3965831.stm] 

The Associated Press [http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/iraq/2864932.html reported] October 25, 2004, that, "At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said [[coalition of the willing|U.S.-led coalition troops]] had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March [[2003 invasion of Iraq|2003 invasion]] and confirmed that the explosives, under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter, the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity."

The Pentagon was "unclear" as to whether or not the explosives had "disappeared" after the site in [[Iraq]] [[Coalition Provisional Authority|"fell under US control."]] [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26campaign.html?ex=1256529600&en=01830b7797b055da&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt][http://archive.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=31787]

On February 18, 2006, Shaw "told an audience" at "a privately sponsored [http://www.intelligencesummit.org/ 'Intelligence Summit']" in Alexandria, Virginia, that "The short answer to the question of where the [[WMD]] Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went" to [[Syria]] and the Bekka valley in [[Lebanon]], [[Kenneth R. Timmerman]] [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh reported] February 19, 2006, in ''NewsMax''. "They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," Shaw said.

However, the ''Financial Times'' (UK) [https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://www.siberianlight.net/?p=171&location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/a4bc50c6-2870-11d9-9308-00000e2511c8.html reported] October 28, 2004, that Shaw had "not provided evidence for his claims and the Pentagon [had] distanced itself from his remarks."

On December 10, 2004, Bill Gertz [http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041229-113041-1647r.htm reported] in ''The Washington Times'' that Shaw, who was a former aide to Secretary of Defense [[Donald H. Rumsfeld]], "was forced to leave his position ... as the result of a 'reorganization' that eliminated his job, defense officials said. ... Shaw said he had been asked to resign for 'exceeding his authority' in disclosing the information, a charge he called 'specious'." 

It was reported that [[GRU]] helped [[Saddam Hussein]] to hide his [[Weapons of mass destruction|weapons of mass destruction]] before the [[2003 invasion of Iraq|US invasion of Iraq in 2003]]<ref name="Dastych"> [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21448 Saddam's WMDs and Russia]	-by David Dastych, Canada Free Press, February 28, 2006 </ref><ref name="pacep0"> [http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111 Russia Hid Saddam's WMDs] -by [[Ion Mihai Pacepa]], [[Washington Times]], October 2, 2003. </ref>

===References===
<references/>

===2003===
*[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/04/iraq/main547667.shtml "U.S. Searches 'Suspicious' Iraqi Site,"] CBS News, April 4, 2003.
*[http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030405-chem-readiness01.htm "U.S. troops find signs of chemical readiness,"] Associated Press (''Global Security''), April 5, 2003.
*Barton Gellman, [http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A31589-2003Apr4&notFound=true "Banned Iraqi Weapons Might Be Hard to Find. Suspicious Sites Provide No Proof Yet,"] ''Washington Post'', April 5, 2003.
*Ion Mihai Pacepa, [http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030820-081256-6822r.htm Op-Ed: "Ex-spy fingers Russians on WMD,"] ''The Washington Times'', August 20, 2003.

===2004===
*Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough, [http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring052104.html "Early warning,"] ''Inside the Ring'', May 1, 2004.
*James Glanz, William J. Broad and David E. Sanger, [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/international/middleeast/25bomb.html?ex=1256356800&en=3bcf849cf3a68472&ei=5090&partner=kmarx "Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq,"] ''New York Times'', October 25, 2004.
*[http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/iraq/2864932.html "About 380 tons of explosives missing from looted site in Iraq,"] Associated Press (chron.com), October 25, 2004.
*[[Matt Drudge]], [http://web.archive.org/web/20041026152632/http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw.htm "NBCNews: Cache of Explosives Vanished from Site in Iraq Before Troops Arrived...,"] ''[[Drudge Report]]'', October 25, 2004.
*[http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/25/iraq.explosives/index.html "Tons of Iraq explosives missing. 'Massive' facility also held large caches of artillery,"] CNN, October 25, 2004.
*[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/25/asb.01.html Transcript: "380 Tons of Explosives Disappear From Iraq,"] CNN ''Newsnight with Aaron Brown'', October 25, 2004.
*[http://archive.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=31787 "Pentagon says its unclear if explosives disappeared after Iraq site fell under US control,"] Agence France Presse (''Turkish Press''), October 25, 2004.
*Jim Geraghty, [http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200410261556.asp "Miklaszewski's new report,"] ''National Review'' Online, October 26, 2004. re Joshua Micah Marshall, [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003805.php ''Talking Points Memo,''] October 26, 2004.
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3950493.stm "High explosives 'missing in Iraq',"] BBC, October 26, 2004.
*David E. Sanger, [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26campaign.html?ex=1256529600&en=01830b7797b055da&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt "Iraq Explosives Become Issue in Campaign,"] ''New York Times'', October 26, 2004.
*Rowan Scarborough, [http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041026-122118-2138r.htm "Pentagon responds to missing-explosives report,"] ''The Washington Times'', October 26, 2004.
*Joshua Micah Marshall, [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_24.php#003800 ''Talking Points Memo'',] October 26, 2004.
*[http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1 "Discrepancy Found in Explosives Amounts. Documents Show Iraqis May Be Overstating Amount of Missing Material,"] ABC News, October 27, 2004.
*[http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives/index.html "Disappearance of explosives in question. Russia calls for investigation into missing stockpile in Iraq,"] CNN, October 27, 2004.
*[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136745,00.html "Search Showed No Explosives at Iraqi Base Before War's End,"] [[Fox News]], October 27, 2004.
*[http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=234230 "All the President's Excuses,"] American Progress Action Fund, October 27, 2004. APAF compares "rhetoric" to "reality".
*Joshua Micah Marshall, [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_24.php#003824 ''Talking Points Memo'',] October 27, 2004.
*[[Michelle Malkin]], [http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000735.htm "Moscow and the Missing Cache,"] ''michellemalkin.com'', October 27, 2004.
*Bill Gertz, [http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm "Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms,"] ''The Washington Times'', October 28, 2004.
*[http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/iraqrefute.shtml "Russian Defense, Foreign Ministry Refute Reports on Smuggling Iraqi Arms,"] ''MosNews'', October 28, 2004.
*[http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847 "Video Suggests Explosives Disappeared After U.S. Took Control. Evidence Indicates U.S. Military Opened Al-Qaaqa Bunkers, Left Them Unguarded,"] ABC News, October 28, 2004.
*James Glanz and Jim Dwyer, [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middleeast/28bomb.html?ex=1256616000&en=467e8e880781c671&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland "4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03,"] ''New York Times'', October 28, 2004.
*[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/28/asb.01.html Transcript: "Controversy Over Missing Explosives Intensifies,"] CNN ''Newsnight with Aaron Brown'', October 28, 2004.
*Mark Follman, [http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2004/10/28/mn_washtimes/index.html "Al Qaqaa story continues to explode,"] ''Salon'' "War Room", October 28, 2004. Subscription or preview required.
*Demetri Sevastopulo, Guy Dinmore, and James Harding, [https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://www.siberianlight.net/?p=171&location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/a4bc50c6-2870-11d9-9308-00000e2511c8.html "Russians 'may have taken Iraq explosives',"] ''Financial Times'' (UK), October 28, 2004. Registration required.
*Luis, [http://www.blogd.com/archives/000975.html "Top Iraqi Official: Explosives 'Could Not Have Been Taken' Before US Invasion,"] ''The Blog From Another Dimension'', October 28, 2004.
*[http://siberianlight.typepad.com/siberianlight/2004/10/russia_accused_.html "Russia accused of removing WMDs from Iraq,"] ''SiberianLight'', October 28, 2004.
*[http://siberianlight.typepad.com/siberianlight/2004/10/russians_didnt_.html "Russians didn't remove weapons from Iraq,"] ''SiberianLight'', October 29, 2004.
*[http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/28/iraq.explosives/ "Photo, video show Iraqi complex before, after invasion,"] CNN, October 29, 2004.
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3965831.stm "New twist in Iraq explosives row,"] BBC, October 29, 2004.
*Bradley Graham and Thomas E. Ricks, [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7418-2004Oct28.html "Munitions Issue Dwarfs the Big Picture,"] ''Washington Post'', October 29, 2004.
*[http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/ "Pentagon: Some explosives possibly destroyed,"] Associated Press (MSNBC.MSN.com), October 29, 2006.
*Gordon Prather, [http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/prather3.html "October Surprise and the 'Axis of Evil',"] ''Lew Rockwell.com'', November 1, 2004.
*Bill Gertz, [http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041229-113041-1647r.htm "Pentagon ousts official who tied Russia, Iraq arms,"] ''The Washington Times'', December 30, 2004.
*[http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/12/30/pentagon.shtml "Pentagon Dismisses Official Who Accused Russia of Involvement in Iraq Weapons Scam,"] ''MosNews'', December 30, 2004.

===2005===
*www.infowarscom/articles/iraq/us_paid_pro_saddam_figures_china_france.htm {{Unreliable fringe source}} "Pentagon Document: U.S. Paid Pro-Saddam Figures, Chinese and French,"] ''NewsMax'', February 28, 2005.
*Charles R. Smith, [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml "Russia Moved Iraqi WMD. Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon,"] ''NewsMax'', March 3, 2005.

===2006===
*Kenneth R. Timmerman, [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh "Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD,"] ''NewsMax'', February 19, 2006.
*Sunnye T, [http://www.gopinsight.com/2006/02/speech-ceases-to-be-free-when-it.php "Speech ceases to be free when it becomes a lie. The American media has lied to us again,"] ''[[GOP]] Insight'', February 21, 2006.
*Mike Minton, [http://www.americandaily.com/article/12043 "The Case For War In Iraq-The Evidence And The Moscow Connection,"] ''American Daily'', February 22, 2006.
*Ben Johnson, [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21722 "Saddam's WMDs: The Russian-Syrian Connection,"] ''[[FrontPageMag.com]]'', March 20, 2006.
*[http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&issue=20060324 "The Bear Is Back,"] ''Investors Business Daily'', March 24, 2006.
[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 02:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Deletion of sourced text - again?!==
Someone just deleted again the text, ignoring that I provided six additional reliable references. He just said: "''obvious anti-russian propaganda removed''". This simply means: "I do not like it". Well, if you do not like it, please provide alternative good references that say: ''Russia did not help Saddam to hid his WMD''. That would be just fine. But simply deleting well sourced text is '''vandalism'''. Of course this subject is controversial and may need a proper description of all "pro" and "contra" based on published sources. If this is the problem, I can create a separate article [[Russia and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction controversy]]. Any opinions? Can one suggest a better title?[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 18:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

===Large scale deletions without consensus===
At 16:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC) I placed a comment on the talk page of [[User_talk:Vlad_fedorov]] who has been conspicuous by 
* his absence from these pages
* his consecutive deletions, without any prior discussion, of material provided by other editors

This is the exact quote of what I wrote on his user page:

:"Wikipedia as a community has rules to prevent edit wars.

:One of these is the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule|3RR]] rule.

:If you wish to delete large passages of another editor's work without providing any references, it is more polite to discuss your proposed changes on the article's talk page FIRST.

:If you do not, your excisions may be regarded as vandalism.

:Please proceed immediately to [[talk:GRU]] and discuss your point of view (POV) with fellow editors there before reverting this article again.

:If you do not, you run the risk of being blocked from Wikipedia.

:You may find that [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette]] provides some helpful guidance. Thank you for your anticipated compliance."

Within less than half an hour (and without any further discussion or comment) at 17:05, 8 April 2007 Vlad fedorov  had expunged my comments using the following as his edit summary: "Personal offence removed"

I am posting my comments here because I have a strong suspicion that any further help I offer on Vlad fedorov's user pages will also be expunged.[[User:W. Frank|W. Frank]] 17:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'd stay out of this fight, Frank. Most of the sources are in Russian and it's doubtful that your protagonist will be able to learn anything about Wikipedia's procedures - take a look at this if you don't believe what you'll be getting into:
::[[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov]] <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Gaimhreadhan|Gaimhreadhan]] ([[User talk:Gaimhreadhan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gaimhreadhan|contribs]]) 19:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:::Could you be more accurate and tell me what have I violated here. I left some comments earlier on this page and GRU article page history shows all my explanations. I have edited right not a case of Alexey Galkin "confessions" rceived under torture. Other would follow shortly. [[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 08:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

::::That's a half-truth. The first thing you did was chop out anything you regard as "anti-Putin" AGAIN. Then you added a lot of stuff about Chechen's torturing someone. I think the place for that is in a separate article (perhaps referenced from the GRU article if you think it relevant).

::::What you violate is WP policies. You keep trying to censor people. This is not very effective on Wikipedia since the edit histories will always reveal what you have been up to.

::::I read what happened when Frank tried to respond to you in a helpful and polite way on your user talk page at [[User_talk:Vlad_fedorov]]. Instead of reading the Wikipedia articles he helpfully pointed you towards, you "shot the messenger" and simply deleted his post!

::::I realise it's not very pleasant having someone suggest that you read [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette]] for some helpful guidance but I really do think you should. And if you really can't understand AFTER READING THAT ARTICLE why people are fed up with you simply deleting their work without any discussion, then I '''personally''' think you should leave the English version of Wikipedia alone and go and annoy people somewhere else.

::Why you constantly try to abuse me? What I have written about Alexey Galkin was taken word in word from the most Anti-Putin newspaper in Russia [[Novaya Gazeta]]. One of the most known of its journalists is the [[Anna Politkovskaya]]. So your ignorance of the subject is fantastic. Instead of thanking me about publishing new sources on the subject, I receive personal attack from vindicating me of "violations" of WP policy. Which point have I violated? Cite me citation and show me the reference. It is you who wants a rubbish to be published about Russia. Moreover, you are person who doesn't even knows Russian and can't study Russian sources.[[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 16:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I have made allowances previously for the fact that your native language is not English, but you are going to have to stop your whining and name calling. First you label Frank as uncivil and now you are accusing me of abuse. Just "close your mouth and open your ears" go and actually read and study  [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette]] BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN. We have a phrase in English: "the pot calling the kettle black" so now I'm going to follow the advice above and take a deep long breath......[[User:Gaimhreadhan|<span style="color:green;">Gaimhreadhan</span>]][[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]<sup><span style="color:brown;"><small>(kiwiexile at DMOZ)</small></span></sup>  • 19:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Once again, I asked you to cite me what rules, policies or guidelines of Wikipedia I have violated. Instead of saying something substantial, you just continue you personal attacks on me. Please read the following in Wikiquette which you cited: "Remind yourself that these are people you're dealing with. They are individuals with feelings and probably have other people in the world who love them. Try to treat others with dignity". All I see from you currently is also non-complying with Wikiquette. So look at the mirror, before writing about me. '''You already talk on my personality and not about [[GRU]] and you are already in violation of the rule "Argue facts, not personalities".''' So please, "close your mouth and open your ears" yourself.[[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 03:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I wished to contact you in a non-public way since I know that you're not a native user of English but you're a difficult man to contact: [[User_talk:Vlad_fedorov#Contact]]. I would be very much obliged if you could use the preview facility when you have thought of some changes and then try and group the  tiny ('''NOT''' the huge) changes together in one batch since it is getting very difficult to follow (and, if necessary) correct and/or enhance the drift of your multiple consecutive 'machine-gun' edits - especially when many continue to be undiscussed here first...[[User:Gaimhreadhan|<span style="color:green;">Gaimhreadhan</span>]][[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]<sup><span style="color:brown;"><small>(kiwiexile at DMOZ)</small></span></sup>  • 08:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
::::In connection. With changes in the composition of the College of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command. Again relevant the lema. The sudden death of the head of the main directorate of the GRU / GU Russian Federation. In this context . We, Wikipedia User's, need to express. In defense. Liquidations, executions, secret executions. Elderly people who saw the views that took part in the battles. The generals (and, admirals). Those who have vowed to risk their lives in the name of the motherland if necessary. It couldn't and cannot produce the results we want. GRU / GU has existed for over 60 years. None of the directors. Has been considered a traitor of interests ... Besides. The problem is that it is difficult or impossible to effectively manage an "inverted pyramid". Regiments of the colonels. With very special training. You are the ones. The "push" and "nudge" Mr. Director. To not always correct, inconsiderate, hasty decisions. This or that task ... Yes. In that regard. Interesting is  ...[[User:GU Simpatisant|GU Simpatisant]] ([[User talk:GU Simpatisant|talk]]) 12:19, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

==Case of Galkin==
First, this is article about GRU, not about Galkin. Of course, one can create a separate article about him and refer to this article here. Second, this text is based mostly on two articles from Novaya Gazeta, which is not accessible. According to [[WP:SOURCE#Language]], "when editors use their own translations, the original-language material should be provided too, preferably in a footnote, so that readers can check the translation for themselves.". Please provide the original Russian text here or anywhere. Otherwise, this does not satisfy [[WP:SOURCE]].[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 17:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:I concur...[[User:Gaimhreadhan|<span style="color:green;">Gaimhreadhan</span>]][[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]<sup><span style="color:brown;"><small>(kiwiexile at DMOZ)</small></span></sup>  • 19:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::It might be a good idea to make articles about [[Alexei Galkin]],  [[Achemez Gochiyaev]] and some other people involved in the [[Russian apartment bombings]] controversy. But we need sources that satisfy [[WP:SOURCE]]. [[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 19:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I have fixed the links which were already seen in the source code of the page. Now you try them.[[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 03:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Vlad provided the sources, and they seem to be O'K except incorrect translation of some titles. So, I have created new article [[Aleksey Galkin]] and transfered all materials about him there. Now, his case should be only briefly mentioned in this article.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 16:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Saddam's WMD controversy==
This is article about GRU. The claims about Saddam's WMD are controversial and only remotely related to this organization. One could tell only one or two phrases in this article, as it was in the initial version. But right now Vlad included a lot of text about it.  So, it would be better to make a separate article about this controversy, and remove it from here. I will try to make this right now, since I might be blocked soon.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 23:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, this might be yet another article for AfD. Still, let's try. If Wikipedia community decides to remove it - I do not care much. One thing for sure: a ''long'' story about Saddam's WMD does not belong here.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 00:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Just an update. If article [[Russia and Saddam WMD allegations]] will survive AfD, this segment of text should be only briefly mentioned, just as the description of [[Aleksey Galkin]] case. This material is not so important. [[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 23:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

==Original research by Biophys==
Biophys inserted information about Operation Sarindar by Pacepa. BUT PACEPA NOWHERE CLAIMS THAT OPERATION SARINDAR WAS PERFORMED BY GRU. User Biophys has made original research which should be deleted from the article immediately. [[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 12:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

==Basayev==
The GRU played a considerable role in Russia’s attempts to exploit the 1992-1993 war between Abkhazia and Georgia.  While Moscow officially supported Georgia in the conflict, imposing sanctions against Abkhazia, the Minister of Defense, Pavel Grachev, provided considerable military support to the Abkhaz side, apparently on his own personal initiative. Anton Surikov, who as a GRU officer was directly involved in these events (many consider that he was Basaev’s kurator in Abkhazia, though he himself denies it), later stated: “That [Pavel Grachev] carried out in Abkhazia his own personal policy is true.  And this, from the point of view of Russia’s interests, was a very useful and correct policy.  Without Grachev Abkhazia would not have stood.  He personally was the true organizer of the defense of the republic.”  The Russian military, under Grachev’s command, at the very least allowed the Confederation of the Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus to send several volunteer battalions to back the Abkhaz, which proved key to the Abkhaz victory in 1993; most probably, these battalions also received logistical support and training from the GRU.  Information has persistently surfaced that the Caucasian battalions’ most talented commander, Shamil Basaev, who was named Deputy Minister of Defense of Abkhazia, was trained at a GRU base near Volgograd in 1992.  The GRU also reportedly deployed its own Spetznaz unit, under Surikov’s command, tasked, between August and October 1992, with eliminating Georgian field commanders. [http://www.psan.org/document551.html][[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 20:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
::: Yes-yes! "" The GRU played a considerable role in Russia’s attempts to exploit the 1992-1993 was between Abkhazia and Georgia. "
  It is a feller. For this contractor. To pull out of the Wikipedia discussion field. In the hope . There are those who have forgiven the $ 5,000,000,000. Now wait patiently for a Entscheidung by the General Procurator. The other $ 20,000,000,000. In the same hope: to get peace and reconciliation with the GRU RF. Forgiveness has countless human lives. Everything has been around!
Also . The favorable times are here. To ... complete something.
Well. Where's the friends and relatives? Of 120 Russian sailors and naval officers killed. From "Kursk 141". No one stayed alive or what?[[User:33Habujin|33Habujin]] ([[User talk:33Habujin|talk]]) 16:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

==Junk article==
The article is piece of junk. No organization structure, no historical timeline (only biased events, some does have nothing in common with GRU), no valid reference materials.

I think it should be completely reworked.

[[User:Thebiggestmac|Thebiggestmac]] ([[User talk:Thebiggestmac|talk]]) 14:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

==Sulim Yamadayev==
Sulim Yamadayev, who is apparently deceased, is mentioned in the present tense. The article also mentions the disbanded Vostok and Zapad battalions in the present tense. I'm not sure how to change this, but it needs to be changed for consistency. [[Special:Contributions/97.125.51.63|97.125.51.63]] ([[User talk:97.125.51.63|talk]]) 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

==[[Igor Sergun]]==
New Chief of the Russian Military Intelligence... [[User:MAKS123|MAKS123]] ([[User talk:MAKS123|talk]]) 14:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

==Adamska Ocelot???==
Really?
As in Revolver Ocelot from MGS?
Can he really be counted as a Historical Figure?
He's a Video Game character!

==Soviet Era logo==
What was the logo of gru in Soviet era? This image below rather won't be suitable in the soviet/stalinism especially era,
especially because of tsar symbols...
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==Someone move it to [[GRU]]==
It's beyond ridicalous, also see [[KGB]] or [[NKVD]] etc. --[[User:Niemti|Niemti]] ([[User talk:Niemti|talk]]) 17:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

==GRU vs. KGB vs. NKVD==
:"The GRU was well known in the Soviet government for its fierce independence from the rival 'internal intelligence organizations', such as NKVD and KGB."
I have looked through multiple pages and I can't find one that gives a SIMPLE (2-4 sentences) explanation of the relationship between GRU, KGB and NKVD beyond a simple statement like this. Reading entries on the Soviet Union on Wikipedia, I see all three referred to as the primary intelligence gathering agency and secret police force. 

I know there is probably overlap between time periods when they all existed but I found the page on chronology of Soviet intelligence more confusing than enlightening. Espionage is such a hot topic for amateur scholars, there must be someone who can briefly outline the difference between GRU and these other two agencies and explain the history of their rivalry. That would be worth an entire article of its own. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/69.125.134.86|69.125.134.86]] ([[User talk:69.125.134.86|talk]]) 20:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

==Title==
Come on guys, you know perfectly well that the full title is incomprehensible in English. We have a duty to communicate clearly in our language. GRU is what the title ought to be. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 10:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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==Merge with Spetsnaz GRU==
there isn't enough info/structure about the Spetsnaz GRU to warrant a separate article. [[User:Lugnuthemvar|Lugnuthemvar]] ([[User talk:Lugnuthemvar|talk]]) 09:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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==GRU building==
Please provide WP:RS telling that buildings on the image are indeed GRU headquarters. In addition, this looks like a TV screenshot. Is it? If so, this is a copyright violation. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 18:36, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Некоторые юные участники Википедия пишут и пишут о секретной работе Военной Разведки России .  И, здесь важны мотивы . Зачем ? Почему ? Для чего ? Ну, естественно, чтобы помочь ! Улутшить ! И страничьку Википедия  о Военной Разведки России . И, работу  доблестных защитников  Отчизны.  Честно разделить оплату и почести за успешные ОП    .  Часть  ,и, весомая часть ,  пологается  их друзьям и компаньёнам  из дружественных  Организаций . Ведь наши офицеры нехотят   всё себе заграбастать, а ?
<IP for Wikipedia .ru  block . Sorry>[[User:Pro Rolex2|Pro Rolex2]] ([[User talk:Pro Rolex2|talk]]) 13:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:"Some of the young participants of Wikipedia write and write about the secret work of the Russian military intelligence. And there are important reasons. What for ? Why? For what ? Well, of course, to help! To improve! And page Wikipedia about Russian military intelligence. And the work of the valiant defenders of the Motherland. Honestly split payment and honors for successful OP. Part, and a significant part of, relies on their friends and on friendly organizations. After all, our officers reluctantly everything yourself hog" --<IP for Wikipedia .ru  block . Sorry>[[User:Pro Rolex2|Pro Rolex2]] ([[User talk:Pro Rolex2|talk]]) 13:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::Maybe lost in translation, but I don't know what you are talking about.  The picture looks like the same building on google street view, but google images are copyright and someone added that picture as free license to be used for wikipedia. here's a [http://www.russianworldforums.com/photos/RUSSIA/politicians/gru1.jpg link to a (copyright) internet image]  --IP_commenter ([[User talk:24.246.23.7|talk]]) 04:34, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
:::No, we don't know that it's free even if the uploader has claimed it as their own. Thousands upon thousands of copyrighted images are uploaded by users to Wiki Commons and claimed as their own. I've found the originals of enough photos used in articles on Wikipedia from there that have simply been cropped slightly and passed off as 'own work'. The uploader -([https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%8B%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B0 here] - is highly dubious. Of the 3 images s/he has ever uploaded (all in a short spate in 2013), one was quickly deleted as a copyright violation. If there was exif data, I might have been more predisposed to believe that it was genuinely that person's work. Wiki Commons has to look out for [[WP:COPYVIO]]. As editors here, we have to be even more vigilant as we are providing a venue to accommodate a high risk copyvio photo at Wikipedia's risk (i.e., by posting it, we are validating it as being a genuinely free image). That's not a risk we are at liberty to take. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:18, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::: {{reply to|Iryna_Harpy}}  You have an issue: in your edit summary you seem to claim that the image is original research yet here you seem to claim that the image is a copyright violation and this contradicts your claim that it is original research i.e. it cannot be original and copied at the same time.  Unless you are the legal copyright holder (or authorized representative, (or have rights as licensee)) YOU HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHT TO HAVE THE IMAGE REMOVED. --IP_commenter ([[User talk:24.246.23.7|talk]]) 19:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Здания ГРУ.jpg|thumb|GRU building]]
Many Wikipedia languages other than English use this image. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 23:54, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Dissolved in 1992 or not? Zombie spy agency? The living dead?==
"In May 1992 the GRU was dissolved and became part of the new Russian Ministry of Defense.
In 2006 the GRU moved to a new Headquarters complex at Khoroshovskoye Shosse.." These consecutive sentences seem to say that it was dissolved in May 1992, meaning that it no longer existed but that its existence continued 14 years later. Should it say that in May 1992 it was transferred fro one supervising authority to another, or should it say that it was dissolved in May 1992 and then it was restored to function at some later date? Perhaps we could just leave out "was dissolved and" so that the article says ""In May 1992 the GRU became part of the new Russian Ministry of Defense." [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 14:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

==Section needed on 2016 US election==
Needs complete section. [[User:Wikipietime|Wikipietime]] ([[User talk:Wikipietime|talk]]) 21:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

==Regarding the proposal of the President of Russia==
The President has reorganized military intelligence. Just as with the KGB already happened. Since he has encountered some incompronesance ... Everyone has his arguments ...[[User:Simpoatisant1234567890987654323456|Simpoatisant1234567890987654323456]] ([[User talk:Simpoatisant1234567890987654323456|talk]]) 14:02, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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==Soviet vs. Russian==
The GRU that this article is about only came into existence in 1992, as part of the Russian Federation. If we're going to be including information on individuals like [[Klaus Fuchs]], then I think either the primary infobox needs to be changed, or we need a new article making a distinction between the Soviet and post-Soviet organizations, akin to the SVR vs. the KGB. [[User:PvOberstein|PvOberstein]] ([[User talk:PvOberstein|talk]]) 17:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

==Pronunciation==
Is there an official way to pronounce "GRU"? I always thought each letter was pronounced individually (mostly based on TV), like FBI, but recently other people have argued with me that it's more like SEAL or SOCOM. Whatever the case, if there is a definitive correct way to pronounce it, then it would be helpful to have it written phonetically in the introduction of the article. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] ([[User talk:Trifler|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Ambiguous abriviature.
Some of GU Colonel's feel kind of hunted.
Even though .
User's Wikipedia.org. That is sufficiently cultured. Highly intelligent content of internet users. All of them . Often and and long. In the academic, professorial Ciber society. Wikipedia online incyclopedia. Sensitive natures. No less diplomatic. As one of the most diplomatic diplomats. According to the M.G.I.M.O .. For Wikipedia user's. Administrators and Authors. Not required - an order, a decree, an order to be given. To get them to write a new topic. Develop or improve an old, forgotten topic. Expression of interest is sufficient. Public interest. Or ... administrative interests. State administration. Even more ! Civilian political leadership of the Russian Federation. First . Mr. President of the Russian Federation. Wladimir Putin. And also . Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr Lavrov. And ... the Minister of Health. Mr. Michail Albertowitsch Muraschko. Shown a real interest. How can it be reduced ?! Political influence. Political force! At home and abroad. On the part of a Sicret Agenci, (state, military) administration. Under the pseudonym GU Russia. Military command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Defense Minister. College of the Headquarters of the High Command. Manifested. All natural. Economic interest. To add. Foreign exchange holdings, savings, avuars. From "the state in the state in the state" (GU Russia). On the budget of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
 The knowledgeable user of Wikipedia. The employment contract with GU was not signed. Should she request a written order? To help . Contribute. Of course not! This is a matter of conscience, honor, likes and dislikes. From Wikipedia users. Who has signed a general contractor? Yes, perhaps .
::::Colonel! We are loyal to the Secretary of Defense and the President. And you ?[[Special:Contributions/195.244.164.66|195.244.164.66]] ([[User talk:195.244.164.66|talk]]) 15:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

==Added new source==
* Story by [[Daniel Turovsky]], translation by [[Kevin Rothrock]].  November 6, 2018, [https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/11/06/what-is-the-gru-who-gets-recruited-to-be-a-spy-why-are-they-exposed-so-often  What is the GRU? Who gets recruited to be a spy? Why are they exposed so often? Here are the most important things you should know about Russia’s intelligence community], [[Meduza]].

[[User:Infinitepeace|Infinitepeace]] ([[User talk:Infinitepeace|talk]]) 04:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
:::Pension Fund of the Officers of the Headquarters of the Supreme Command. Is it true? That the colonels of the GU / GRU are officers of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command. [[User:User3456789876|User3456789876]] ([[User talk:User3456789876|talk]]) 14:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

==Requested move 15 April 2021==
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The result of the move request was: '''Moved to [[GRU (Russian Federation)]] and [[GRU (Soviet Union)]].'''  <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>  [[User:Vpab15|Vpab15]] ([[User talk:Vpab15|talk]]) 14:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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* [[:GRU (G.U.)]] → {{no redirect|Main Intelligence Directorate (Russia)}}
* [[:Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU)]] → {{no redirect|Main Intelligence Directorate (Soviet Union)}}
– Both of the current titles are pretty messy and don't really fit with the [[WP:AT|article titles policy]]. With regard to this page, it's title is just a collection of essentially meaningless letters that definitely don't satisfy [[WP:UCN|common name]]. Meanwhile, "Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU)" is equivalent to if [[Federal Protective Service (Russia)]] was instead titled "Federal Protective Service (FSO)", meaning it isn't made clear by the title that that GRU article is only about the Soviet GRU. Thanks in advance, [[User:RadiculousJ|RadiculousJ]] ([[User talk:RadiculousJ|talk]]) 05:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': Indeed, these are currently not the best names, but a [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=GRU%2CMain+Intelligence+Directorate&year_start=1970&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=0 Google Books Ngram chart] shows how much more often reliable sources call this organization GRU. The respective articles should be '''moved''' to [[GRU (Soviet Union)]] and [[GRU (Russia)]] or [[GRU (Russian Federation)]].&nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 13:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' move to 'Main Intelligence Directorate (Russia)'. Though I support a move to 'GRU (Russia)' or similar. [[User:Blindlynx|—blindlynx]] ([[User talk:Blindlynx|talk]]) 13:49, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Changing support''' to [[GRU (Russian Federation)]] and [[GRU (Soviet Union)]], based on Michael Z's n-grams. [[User:RadiculousJ|RadiculousJ]] ([[User talk:RadiculousJ|talk]]) 18:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' move. Any title such as [[:GRU (G.U.)]] , [[GRU (Soviet Union)]] or  [[GRU (Russia)]] automatically fails [[WP:ACROTITLE]], part of the article titles policy, ("Acronyms should be used in a page name if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject") which can't be overriden by a local consensus. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 07:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[GRU (Russian Federation)]] and [[GRU (Soviet Union)]]. Very definitely the common name. Nobody calls it the Main Intelligence Directorate. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 10:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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== Requested move 18 April 2023 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 12:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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[[:GRU (Russian Federation)]] → {{no redirect|GRU}} – no page should redirect to the page with the same name with brackets. [[User:ErceÇamurOfficial|ErceÇamurOfficial]] ([[User talk:ErceÇamurOfficial|talk]]) 12:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

:Oh. curprev 21:15, 2 April 2023‎ UtherSRG talk contribs‎  85 bytes +85‎  UtherSRG moved page GRU to GRU (Russian Federation): Revert undiscussed move (WP:RMUM): Requested by 162 etc. at WP:RM/TR: Moved without discussion; GRU (Russian Federation) is the consensus title per a 2021 RM thank Tag: New redirect
:[[GRU (disambiguation)]] [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 14:15, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:GRU (Russian Federation), Russian intelligence service
:GRU (Soviet Union), Soviet military intelligence service
*'''Leaning to oppose''' given that the article is split. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 14:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', and redirect [[GRU]] to [[Gru (disambiguation)]].  There is no primary topic, given that [[GRU (Russian Federation)]] and [[GRU (Soviet Union)]] both have significant long-term notability. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 15:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
*:I already redirected {{No redirect|GRU}} to [[Gru (disambiguation)]] before reading this comment since that was the previous status quo prior to an undiscussed move that went against the consensus of the previous discussion. Makes sense anyways: Turns out that the incoming links to {{No redirect|GRU}} are split between referring to [[GRU (Soviet Union)]] and [[GRU (Russian Federation)]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
*::I'll note that this will require a significant amount of link fixing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/GRU] [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 01:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
*:::Yep, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gru_(disambiguation)&diff=prev&oldid=1150923550 realized that hours ago]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 16:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. This agency’s real name isn’t even GRU, while the Soviet one’s was. &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 13:49, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per previous consensus. As mentioned above, the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] for this article's subject may not even be "GRU". [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:162 etc.]] (both have long-term significance), consensus, the 2021 RM and the lack of any argument for the move. [[User:Llew Mawr|Llew Mawr]] ([[User talk:Llew Mawr|talk]]) 11:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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:New dimension. Along with the renaming to GU. Changes in... features. Management and Control in the Army and Navy. Management, not discovery, of information - as a priority. The officers of the GU at the staff of the Supreme High Command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are no longer required. To hide or to cover / shield oneself intensively. On the contrary, to act / administer / control openly. (If not already public.) That should add more respect and recognition.
: '''GU , this is GOV. - Administration''' !
: Not a military department for scouting info.[[User:Steel1943 Zweite|Steel1943 Zweite]] ([[User talk:Steel1943 Zweite|talk]]) 15:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)