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== Other Sonic Series ==


There are three Western Sonic cartoons:

[[Adventures_of_Sonic_the_Hedgehog| The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog]]
[[Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(TV_series)| Sonic the Hedgehog: The Animated Series]]
And [[Sonic_Underground| Sonic Underground]]

There are two Japanese Sonic Anime:

[[Sonic_The_Movie| The O.V.A.]]
And [[Sonic_X]]

I don't think they are all equally represented: the Western cartoons are wildly different from one another, and from the games, while the Japanese Anime are closer to the videogame style. All were influential in shaping the Sonic franchise, but they are only loosely related and the Western cartoons, although they shaped more of Sonic (all the way up to Sonic and the Black Knight) They are declared unfit for reference material, other Sonic "reference" sites refuse to reference them appropriately. Sonic Underground and The Adventures of Sonic need some TLC, Sonic: the Animated Series needs more recognition.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.85.210.203|198.85.210.203]] ([[User talk:198.85.210.203|talk]]) 13:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I viewed [[Sonic SatAM]] as inappropriate for kids under 10 years of age due to war fare sequences and suggestive themes. [[User:Kristie Ann Webb|Kristie Ann Webb]] ([[User talk:Kristie Ann Webb|talk]]) 06:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Alongside with Starz, ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)|Sonic SatAM]]'' is also removed from [[Amazon Prime Video]] purchases. I think when [[Ian Flynn]] revealed that the ''SatAM'' characters are consequently not appearing on [[Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW publishing)|the new comic series from IDW publishing]] back in December 28, 2017, it may have caused many media to cease running and/or selling downloads of this show. [[User:Kristie Ann Webb|Kristie Ann Webb]] ([[User talk:Kristie Ann Webb|talk]]) 04:25, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

== Personal opinions ==

Personal opinions masquerading as referenced content (specifically lines such as ''"Due to its [[Comedy-drama|groundbreaking format]] and [[Serial_(radio_and_television)#Other_dramas)|over-arching plot]], the cartoon has had a strong [[cult following]]."'') need to be sourced to independent reliable sources. Just adding links to fan websites will not cut it. [[User:MikeWazowski|MikeWazowski]] ([[User talk:MikeWazowski|talk]]) 21:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

"need to be sourced to independent reliable sources" They were already sourced to resonably reliable independent sources: the fan-sites themselves. Those fanmade, fan supported websites include useful information not found anywhere else. (certainly, they are good references to the "strong [[cult following]]". If you can find better third-party references, it would be appreciated. Until then, please endavor to actually improve the article, or increase your knowledge on the subject so you may actually do so. Until that happens, the fan-sites will remain as references.
[[Special:Contributions/65.191.242.235|65.191.242.235]] ([[User talk:65.191.242.235|talk]]) 15:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, those fan-sites contained useful information in the "cancelled videogames" section. If they are not legitimate sources, they should not have been used at all.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.191.242.235|65.191.242.235]] ([[User talk:65.191.242.235|talk]]) 15:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Quite correct about there being a cult following, although I must say this was a total surprise to me.
Not only is there a dedicated wiki on Wikia about this series, but there is actually a fan made continuation of season 3 in comic book form called "sea3on" at http://www.sonicsatam.com/ im going to add this to the page and use this as a source.
I also see there is a youtube channel that claims that they will be releasing some animated videos on a "season 3" very soon, i will post an update on this once I can confirm this. Its unknown if they have based it on the comics made by [[Fans united for SatAM]]
To say there is no cult following to this show is incorrect, such fan made sites and fan made comics are testimony to this.--[[User:Nzoomed|Nzoomed]] ([[User talk:Nzoomed|talk]]) 02:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of this cartoon anymore (I only like a few episodes from season one), but I agree that this show does have a cult following like [[Sonic the Comic]]. Sonic the Comic also has a fan made continuation called STC Online, which is mentioned in its own article, though I think STC Online is more popular than "season 3". [[User:Tails3333|Tails3333]] ([[User talk:Tails3333|talk]]) 14:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

== Replacement ==
There's a claim in the article bolstered by a fan site stating that the series was intended as a replacement for ''[[Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog]],''  which ABC rejected. The other story going around was that both series were produced concurrently, and considering that ''Adventures'' had a standard order of 65 episodes produced (as opposed to just a pilot for network execs), that is the more likely situation. Unless a reliable source says either-or, I don't think either claim should be in the article. --[[User:Jtalledo|Jtalledo]] [[User talk:Jtalledo|(talk)]] 17:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:This article is a trainwreck, filled with all sorts of [[WP:OR]], unverifiable information, and fansite cruft/junk. I'd support removing any of that type of stuff. (Your example definitely included.) I wanted to fix up the article some, but it's just ''so'' long, and bad, that I haven't found the motivation. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green;">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal;">msg me</span>]]  18:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::Same here. I wouldn't know where to begin... Oh well. --[[User:Jtalledo|Jtalledo]] [[User talk:Jtalledo|(talk)]] 23:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
From what ive been reading, it appears it is possible that both were being produced at the same time, but only partially.
DiC had 2 seperate teams working on both series, but it appears that the TV network did not like "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" and this was more than likely due to its low budget and poor quality, so another team of producers at DiC was assigned to do a new series, but obviously they kept the rest of the episodes of AoSTH going until the end of its first season.
Im pretty sure this is correct, ill have to dig up the sources, ive read quite a bit on this and i think even the story writer [[Ben Hurst]] said in a blog that this was the case, but i could be wrong, ill have to dig up the pages ive visited.--[[User:Nzoomed|Nzoomed]] ([[User talk:Nzoomed|talk]]) 02:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

==Sources==
*[http://www.retrojunk.com/details_articles/7545/ Retro Junk]
*[http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?publicUserId=5442525&bId=8981991 1up.com]
*[http://presstheactionbutton.blogspot.com/2008/05/box-set-review-sonic-hedgehog-satam_07.html Action Button]
*[http://voices.yahoo.com/sonic-hedgehog-satam-remembering-3427528.html Yahoo]

Possible sources for future use. (It really is hard scrounging up [[WP:RS]]'s for this show, considering it's name and timeframe...) [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green;">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal;">msg me</span>]]  20:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Retro Junk isn't reliable and the last three are blogs. They're still better than all the fan sites that were used though. --[[User:Jtalledo|Jtalledo]] [[User talk:Jtalledo|(talk)]] 22:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I wasn't sure about Retro Junk, I thought it might be, but I think its some other site that starts with "Retro" that [[WP:VG]] deems reliable. And yeah, I know and agree, these aren't so great, but I figured that like you said, they're better than all those fansites. I've trimmed down a bunch of the trivia/cruft from those fansites, but there's still plenty more that should be shortened/removed. (Like most/all the pre-production info, for instance.) [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green;">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal;">msg me</span>]]  23:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, I've added some info to the "Reception" section. I think the Gargoyles Wikipedia article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargoyles_(TV_series) - could be used as a basis to make this article better.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tails3333|Tails3333]] ([[User talk:Tails3333|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tails3333|contribs]]) 18:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yes, I noticed that. Thank you for finding those. Not sure how I didn't come across them when I was looking for sources previously. Thanks for your general help with cleaning up the article as well... [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green;">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal;">msg me</span>]]  18:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

== Where's my subject? ==

I left a subject called "My controversy against the airtimes during that period" and a few minutes later, it was gone. Was it because it was politically incorrect or what? [[User:Kristie Ann Webb|Kristie Ann Webb]] ([[User talk:Kristie Ann Webb|talk]]) 01:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
:If you're referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(TV_series)&diff=prev&oldid=837298245 this edit], it was likely removed per [[WP:NOTFORUM]]. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] 04:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You're right. I'll not leave anymore discussions on anything. I wish I knew what page I should leave my discussion because I do not like my stuff being deleted. 😒 Meh! [[User:Kristie Ann Webb|Kristie Ann Webb]] ([[User talk:Kristie Ann Webb|talk]]) 20:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

== Season One Airdates? ==

So, the airdates that correspond with the season one episodes are, as far as I can tell, the same airdates that have existed on the Internet since at least the year 2000. However, when looking at the list on here, I couldn't help but notice an additional citation in the article for production episode six: "This episode was the actual 1st full edition of this series to air on ABC, on Sept. 18, 1993." I found it strange that the episode guide on this page wasn't updated properly to reflect that, but I also began to wonder if any of the other dates were wrong...so I began digging in the only contemporary place easily accessible online: Usenet discussion posts. Sure enough, I found some [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.animation/ZOR_AAA3GPA/z8YitNPESP0J here], [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.animation/OxZ5D3QUILk/8NjfbKOXCBoJ here], [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.animation/ixplHNRq2Aw/jLOPi_F6DcsJ here], [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.animation/ve_l-TKL0SE/qmIw9qA1gKQJ here]. and [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.animation/8iXWcCB8Q8s/Ae5S0KDRd2UJ here], all of which contradict the current air date order not only on Wikipedia, but everywhere.

Unfortunately, the newsgroup discussion doesn't dive into every weekly episode, which leaves five episodes unaccounted for. The only piece of info I could currently find is an old FAQ file from 1997 about Sonic in general, which lists the season one episodes in an order that does not reflect production order, but matches up with the newsgroup posts above<ref>https://kilorat.com/pub/sonic/text/faq-dd.txt</ref>

Using all that, the actual airdate order seems to be:

*1993-09-18 Super Sonic
*1993-09-25 Sonic Boom
*1993-10-02 Sonic and Sally
*1993-10-09 Hooked on Sonics
*1993-10-16 Ultra Sonic
*1993-10-23 Sonic's Nightmare
*1993-10-30 Warp Sonic
*1993-11-06 Harmonic Sonic
*1993-11-13 Sonic and the Secret Scrolls
*1993-11-20 Sub Sonic
*1993-11-27 Heads or Tails
*1993-12-04 Sonic Past Cool
*1993-12-11 Sonic Racer

The three middle October dates and the two December airings are the only ones inferred from the FAQ file, but I'd guess that's not quite strong enough for Wikipedia's source policy. All I do know is that "Super Sonic" is clearly the first episode that had aired based on that YouTube video's evidence on the main page, and that the other seven are supported by conversation had online at the time the show was airing. No matter what, the current air dates that are on this article are definitely wrong. I don't know if episode titles were in old TV Guides, but if someone has a pile of them? Might not be a bad idea to pull them out and triple check everything.[[User:David The Lurker|David The Lurker]] ([[User talk:David The Lurker|talk]]) 19:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

:Can’t comment on the US air dates and placement of episodes there, but they were placed in the order listed in this article when the show aired on RTÉ Two in Ireland. I remember the episodes being described in the 9–16 December 1994 edition and subsequent dates of the RTÉ Guide at the time, but we didn’t hold onto them (would take up too much space). [[User:Danny157|Danny157]] ([[User talk:Danny157|talk]]) 20:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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