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== [[Shape]] ==

Please have a look e.g. at the Dutch articles linked to [[Shape]] and [[:de:Gestalt]]. It should become obvious that it doesn't make sense to merge these two meanings. --[[Special:Contributions/217.224.250.60|217.224.250.60]] ([[User talk:217.224.250.60|talk]]) 20:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== MSU Interview ==

Dear Hyacinth,

My name is Jonathan Obar [[user:Jaobar]], I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,  and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:
* Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
* Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
* All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
* All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
* The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name [[User:Jaobar/Admins_to_Interview_List_1|HERE]] instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --[[User:Jaobar|Jaobar]] ([[User talk:Jaobar|talk]]) 07:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

== MSU Interview ==

Hi !

My name is Alexandre Kamouaa [[user:Kamouaa]], I am a exchange student at Michigan State University, currently working on an exploration of the Wikipedia adminship process through a group project. As you may know, for this team work led by Dr Jonathan Obar, we need to interview Wikipedia administrators, and I would like to set up an interview date on Skype with you. Would you be available on Monday April 23rd, and if you are, at what time?
Thank you in advance for your help and your participation in this project.

Looking forward to hear from you soon,

Alexandre Kamouaa - [[user:Kamouaa]] - --[[User:Kamouaa|Kamouaa]] ([[User talk:Kamouaa|talk]]) 15:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! Are you available at 7 PM MT on Monday?

Alexandre Kamouaa --[[User:Kamouaa|Kamouaa]] ([[User talk:Kamouaa|talk]]) 17:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

My Skype ID is alexkamouaa, but if you are experiencing problems with your computers, would you prefer if I send you an e-mail with the questions?

Alexandre Kamouaa --[[User:Kamouaa|Kamouaa]] ([[User talk:Kamouaa|talk]]) 15:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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==Merge proposal==
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that there's a discussion at [[Talk:Slide (disambiguation)]] that might interest you. Best wishes, [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 19:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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== [[Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky]] once again ==

A couple of years ago you contributed input for the peer review of [[Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky]], especially regarding the article's coverage of the composer's homosexuality and marriage. The article eventually passed to FA status but is now being revamped and expanded to include additional research and sources. While I have reworked the portions on Tchaikovsky's engagement to Désirée Artôt and his marriage to Antonina Miliukova, I have not yet tackled the preceding section on his sexuality, which is brief but seems to-the-point and NPOV. If you have the time, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions on whether more needs to be done at this point and, if so, what might improve it. Thanks very much for your help. [[User:Jonyungk|Jonyungk]] ([[User talk:Jonyungk|talk]]) 07:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

: Thanks for getting back to me and pointing out the challenge with language. Since you are much more attuned to the situation and potential solutions than I, could you please act with me in improving it? Even if this amounts to pointing out other instances for me to fix, it will be a greater benefit to the article and its readers than no help at all. I would greatly appreciate your expertise and effort in this matter. [[User:Jonyungk|Jonyungk]] ([[User talk:Jonyungk|talk]]) 21:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

:: The style guide really helps. I've already employed it in editing the Sexuality section and will post a link to it on [[Talk:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky]] to avoid reverts to inappropriate language&mdash;a problem when the language issue came up in PR. Thanks. [[User:Jonyungk|Jonyungk]] ([[User talk:Jonyungk|talk]]) 13:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

== You could write a book ==

Fiction novels may be your specialty, and maybe in such a novel a [[supertonic chromatic chord]] equals a secondary dominant. Sadly, it is only a way for one musicologist to describe the secondary dominant of the primary dominant of the key (hence its name). Only someone with zero understanding of the subject could create that redirect, not to mention your other edits. [[User:Hearfourmewesique|Hearfourmewesique]] ([[User talk:Hearfourmewesique|talk]]) 04:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

:As I said before, comment on the content. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 23:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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== Reply requested ==

Please explain why you [[WP:HOUND|followed]] me to the Civility page. [[User:Hearfourmewesique|Hearfourmewesique]] ([[User talk:Hearfourmewesique|talk]]) 15:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

==Oriental riff==
You don't get to invent tags that don't exist and treat them as if they were real. [[User:Hearfourmewesique|Hearfourmewesique]] ([[User talk:Hearfourmewesique|talk]]) 17:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Music theory ==

Hi! I notice that you often edit articles within [[WP:MTH|WikiProject Music theory]]. Had you thought of joining the project? I'm sure your contribution would be welcome. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 09:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Crab canon ==
Hi, Hyacinth. Last November you uploaded an image, File:Crab canon.png, which is currently being used to illustrate the article [[Crab canon]]. On that article's [[Talk:Crab canon|talk page]], a reader notes a flaw in the example, possibly Riemann's error, possibly a copying mistake. Could you check this out, please?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 18:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== List of pitch intervals ==

Hi! Thanks for the warm welcome, will do. I'm a Wikipedia heavy user.
I'm making a new kind of musical program, and thought I could make a tool to get the Pitch Interval's names and values from Wikipedia. So I did write a script that parses the table, and so I could check the data's accuracy easily.
[[User:Peterhil|Peterhil]] ([[User talk:Peterhil|talk]])

== Image (logo) added by owners of that logo (a community college in US) ==

[[:File:HTC logo vert blue.jpg]] has been added by staff at the institution ([[Hennepin Technical College]]) whose logo it is. Does this violate any wikipedia policy on images? If so what can they do to put it in compliance? --[[User:BoogaLouie|BoogaLouie]] ([[User talk:BoogaLouie|talk]]) 21:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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== Clef ==

Go to the bottom of [[Talk:Clef]] and see a question. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 16:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Leading-tone Triad ==

Why did you delete this page? There is no reason for it. It is entirely different than the article you moved it towards. There in fact can be diminished triads based on other scale-degrees. This is a separate section in theory textbooks and should be dealt accordingly. Especially since there is a [[leading-tone seventh chord]] and [[secondary leading-tone chord]] page. You continue these unjust actions without reason. '''— [[User:Devin.chaloux|Devin.chaloux]]''' ([[User talk:Devin.chaloux|chat]]) 00:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:'''Leading-tone triad''' was a page under the aegis of the WP:Music Theory group.  Any merging of that page (as well as '''''any other page under the WP:Music Theory banner''''') should be discussed and a consensus reached before anything is done with it.  I suggest you un-merge that page and put it back the way it was, and then we can begin to discuss what you feel are the issues.  -- 07:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kosboot|Kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kosboot|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

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== Ongoing rudeness ==

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== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[List of quartal pieces]] ==
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== Nomination of [[List of quartal pieces]] for deletion ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[List of quartal pieces]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

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*How about explaining what the heck you mean by a "quartal piece"? That term gets 56 hits on Google, so I don't think it's a thing. Knowing my music theory, quartals are all over the place, so listing any piece with them would result in a list of every song that ever existed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 21:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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== Dominant (music) ==

Check out something I posted at the talk page of [[Talk:Dominant (music)]]. It's about the image in the article with a chord progression. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 12:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:List of pieces which use the whole tone scale]] ==
Hello Hyacinth, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:List of pieces which use the whole tone scale]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''There is content to identify the subject of the article, take it to [[WP:PROD]] or [[WP:AFD]].''' You may wish to review the [[WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] before tagging further pages. Thank you.  [[User:GB fan|GB]]&nbsp;[[User talk:GB fan|fan]] 22:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:List of musical pieces which use extended techniques]] ==
Hello Hyacinth, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:List of musical pieces which use extended techniques]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''This needs to go to AFD or Prod.''' You may wish to review the [[WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] before tagging further pages. Thank you.  [[User:GB fan|GB]]&nbsp;[[User talk:GB fan|fan]] 22:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

== Questions about your musical example of Later Folia ==

I make reference to this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Later_Folia.png

Here are my questions (forgive me if my use of english musical terms is not fully correct, I know the italian ones but are unsure about the correct translation):

1. from the numbers below each note - that I assume refers to the tonality (key?) - I deduce the example is in the tonality (key?) of G minor (sol minore). But then in the key signature at the beginning of the staff, beyond a B flat (Si bemolle) shouldn't there also be an E flat (Mi bemolle)?

2. I understand from your use of "bVII" under the note in the fourth bar that you use the Roman numeral analysis. Isn't this a bit confusing if at the same time you put accidents in the key signature? For example, the "bVII" tells that the subtonic (F natural) is used instead of the leading note (F sharp) one would expect in a harmonic/melodic minor scale, while from reading a key signature with a B flat and an E flat and a piece starting in G noted as the tonic I would have expected to read in the score an F natural with the natural explicitly written. 

3. Related to 2., given you have a B flat in the key signature isn't the "bIII" in the fifth bar somewhat misleading? In the Wikipedia page on mediant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediant) I have not found "bIII" but only "bIII+". From what I understand there, the "+" refers to the fact that it is an augmented chord, which I think should be the case here assuming the chord is Bflat-D-Fsharp, while I do not understand why a "b" is used before "III" here, given that B flat is in the key signature.

I would be glad if you could clarify me thess issuee. I have not a wikipedia account, but you can answer me at enriconardelli60 at gmail dot com or here as you prefer.

Thanks...Enrico  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.33.197.172|2.33.197.172]] ([[User talk:2.33.197.172|talk]]) 01:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hyacinth, I copied here below your answer in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2.33.197.172, assuming it's better to have question and answer in the same place. Please advice me if there is a different policy to follow. [[User:EnricoN60|EnricoN60]] ([[User talk:EnricoN60|talk]]) 12:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

:Given the key signature it would be more like [[Dorian mode]] than g minor. See [[Roman numeral analysis]] for some information about roman numeral analysis and [[subtonic]] for some information about {{music|b}}VII. The symbols are not misleading, but indicate the chord built on the flattened or minor scale-degree or interval (B{{music|b}}/minor third  and F/minor seventh) above G, and as you may see the example is cited and follows the source. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 01:45, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your pointing out the musical example is a [[Dorian mode]] on G. This clarification answers my questions number 1 and 2.

I wonder whether adding the info "Dorian mode on G" to the caption of your picture in [[Folia]] would make it more easy to use and to understand to the reader. I do not know whether that caption was written by you or not. In any case, would you object to such an edit to that caption?

Thanks also for the references to [[Roman numeral analysis]] and [[subtonic]], which I had consulted before writing. Indeed, question number 2 was not on the use of {{music|b}}VII but on the fact that "''I would have expected to read in the score an F natural with the natural explicitly written''", which is now clarified by your explanation the example is a [[Dorian mode]] on G.

It remains open my question 3 on the use of {{music|b}}III. The assumption your example is a [[Dorian mode]] on G implies the third degree of such a scale is a {{music|b}}B. But a {{music|b}}B is already in the key signature of your example. So I am puzzled why in your example under the B in the fifth bar is not a III used instead of a {{music|b}}III.

I would be glad to learn more.

Thanks...Enrico. [[User:EnricoN60|EnricoN60]] ([[User talk:EnricoN60|talk]]) 12:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

== Gamelan ==
Thank you for elaborating and enriching the [[gamelan]] terminology and providing sources. I'm familiar with those terms, (karawitan etc.) yet unable to provides literature references. The article is better thanks to you. Cheers..! [[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]] ([[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]) 01:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Scale degree illustration ==

I asked on the talk page of [[Key (music)]] why the scale-degree diagram was in the intro, and suggested removing it. Getting no reply, I went ahead and did so, but now you have replaced it. I don't see what the scale-degree names have to do with the opening section of Key (music); it only seems related in a global sense. The circle-of-fifths diagram makes some sense (although it's a subsidiary topic), since at least it's referenced in the intro section now. But the scale-degree names seem likely to confuse readers more than enlighten them. &mdash;[[User:Wahoofive|Wahoofive]] ([[User talk:Wahoofive|talk]]) 15:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

==Chrysalifourfour==
Hello to you too :-) Is there something you wanted to tell me? I've just commented on Diminution talk page; once again, thanks for the fruitful resolution and I hope I didn't cause too much of an inconvenience. I usually write and edit articles in the Greek Wikipedia, but I regularly check my English talk page. If there's anything you should like to point to me out, please send me a message; I'll be more than happy to help out. Greetings :-) --[[User:Chrysalifourfour|Chrysalifourfour]] ([[User talk:Chrysalifourfour|talk]]) 23:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

===Summary===
Okay, mea culpa. I'll keep that in mind for next time I do some editing. What about the main image (facsimile)? Do you agree in cropping it and keeping the musical examples only, after all? --[[User:Chrysalifourfour|Chrysalifourfour]] ([[User talk:Chrysalifourfour|talk]]) 12:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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== Asking for your help ==

Hyacinth, would you mind to replace the figure showing the Ab major scale (in [[Interval (music)#Diatonic and chromatic]]), with a similar one without the numbers 1 2 3 4 5? Thank you, [[User:Paolo.dL|Paolo.dL]] ([[User talk:Paolo.dL|talk]]) 17:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

[[File:Lab mayor escala.png|thumb|300px]]
: What about [[:File:Lab mayor escala.png]]? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 18:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

:: The discending part is not necessary and confusing. I like your version, with the names of the notes below, but you also added the five scale degrees above, from C to G. These were great in [[Interval (music)#Number]], but not needed in [[Interval (music)#Diatonic and chromatic]], where I inserted a copy of your figure. [[User:Paolo.dL|Paolo.dL]] ([[User talk:Paolo.dL|talk]]) 19:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

[[File:Ab major scale.png|thumb]]
I did it myself. [[User:Paolo.dL|Paolo.dL]] ([[User talk:Paolo.dL|talk]]) 22:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

==Your question==
Hyacinth, you asked whether I thought File:3blind division.gif would benefit from the addition of clefs. I am sorry for the delay in responding: I am not ideologically wedded to the clef's absence but I did intentionally simplify things in this case. [[User:Redheylin|Redheylin]] ([[User talk:Redheylin|talk]]) 13:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, had to draw it "by hand", like a few of my efforts, using Fireworks. That's another reason. I am just thinking of non-readers: I want them to say "Hey, I can understand this". The flat indicates the clef. [[User:Redheylin|Redheylin]] ([[User talk:Redheylin|talk]]) 11:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

== [['Ode-to-Napoleon' hexachord]] ==

Can you please explain your reason for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%27Ode-to-Napoleon%27_hexachord&diff=498120971&oldid=498075443 this revert]? It appears to have done nothing but re-introduce the error I corrected. &nbsp;-- [[Special:Contributions/WikHead|WikHead]] ([[User talk:WikHead|talk]]) 06:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== RM for "Musical scale" ==

Hyacinth, you expressed an interest in the title of [[Musical scale]]. After you did that, I initiated [[Talk:Musical_scale#Requested_move_to_.22Scale_.28music.29.22|a formal RM action]] to change the name to [[Scale (music)]]. Your comments would be welcome there, of course.

<span style="color:blue;"><big>N</big><small>oetica</small></span><sup><small>[[User_talk:Noetica |Tea?]]</small></sup> 23:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

: Even if you don't want to post a comment, you might want to copy your support statement into the new section, as Woodstone did. Otherwise your opinion will not be considered in the formal RM discussion. [[User:Paolo.dL|Paolo.dL]] ([[User talk:Paolo.dL|talk]]) 13:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

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== New article [[Ditonic scale]] ==

Greetings, thanks for adding the image/sound to the tritonic article; if you're inclined I've also added [[Ditonic scale]]. Thanks! [[User:MatthewVanitas|MatthewVanitas]] ([[User talk:MatthewVanitas|talk]]) 21:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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== Howard Hanson ==

Hey. I don't know if you monitor the Howard Hanson article and I thought you might like to know, being a music theory buff, his important book "Harmonic Materials of Modern Music: Resources of the Tempered Scale" is now available in digital form for free. I put the links in the article. Also, the article says he received a Pulitzer Prize, but I notice he's not on your list. [[Special:Contributions/98.154.203.28|98.154.203.28]] ([[User talk:98.154.203.28|talk]]) 20:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

== Diatonic means constructed using two types of intervals ==

Bummer. You undid my contribution in the ditonic scale article distinguishing ditonic from diatonic. Here are multiple proofs that diatonic means constructed of two interval types (tones and semitones): http://www.thefreedictionary.com/diatonic [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diatonic merriam-webster.com] [http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/161859/diatonic britannica.com] Please undo your undoing of my contribution. [[Special:Contributions/98.154.203.28|98.154.203.28]] ([[User talk:98.154.203.28|talk]]) 02:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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== [[Regular tuning]]s: Guitar ==

Hi Hyacinth!

I think that you would be a good person to review briefly my work on [[regular tuning]]s for the guitar, which constitute a row in the footer-template for "[[guitar tunings]]".
You know a lot about music.

If you have suggestions about [[major-thirds tuning]], which I'd like to see become a good article, I'd be especially interested. (There do not seem to be enough very high quality reliable sources to bring it to FA level.)

Thanks! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 08:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks for the help. Come back whenever you want! :)
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::I spun-off [[regular tunings]] into an article. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 17:01, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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==Concerning [[Roger Reynolds]]==

Dear Hyacinth,

I was going to make some changes to [[Roger Reynolds]], but I backtracked and didn't end up changing anything yet.  I'm doing a complete overhaul of his page (well, really I'm using the current page as an introduction, and I'm adding a ton of information).  I backtracked because I didn't quite feel confident with the material yet, so I'm having several people proof it before I put it up.  I'll let you know when I add the new information.

Thanks for your concern!

Best,

[[User:Phembree|Phembree]] ([[User talk:Phembree|talk]]) 18:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
==Again, Concerning [[Roger Reynolds]]==

Dear Hyacinth,

I just noticed that you re-instantiated all of what I intended as pending additions.  This is fine, I'll leave it up there - I'm going to continue proofing it and updating it.   If you have time to give the article a read, I would appreciate any input.

Best,

[[User:Phembree|Phembree]] ([[User talk:Phembree|talk]]) 18:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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==Stockhausen's ''Gruppen''==
Thanks, Hyacinth, for correcting the mistakes in the tempo-duration example that appears at the beginning of [[Gruppen (Stockhausen)]]. Unfortunately, two errors remain. First, the "M.M." values do not vary according to the "Unit", but rather are constant to a half note. This matters because it affects the durations of successive sections and, in the pitch analogy, the registers of the pitch classes. Second, the two rows of "duration proportions" should only have successive ''pairs'' of numbers, not a continuous chain of proportions. The first row in the original, for example, reads <blockquote>2 : 10 / 12 : 7 /  5 : 9 / 7 : 2 / 3 : 5 / 10 : 4</blockquote> That is to say, the proportions 10:12, 7:5, etc. are spurious. Similarly for the second line, <blockquote>4 : 3 / 6 : 13 / 8 : 11 / 13 : 6 / 9 : 12</blockquote> The vertical alignment is correct, so that with these corrections it will be seen that the second element in each proportion pair of the first row becomes the first element of a proportion in the second, and the reverse (10 becomes the 4 of 4 : 3, then the 3 becomes the 12 of 12 : 7, and so on). I don't mean to sound ungrateful. You have been doing terrific work with these illustrations, and especially for the sound examples. In this particular case, though, I wonder why the accompanying sound example plays the pitches but not the durations and tempos, which are the whole point of Stockhausen's illustration.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 16:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks again, Hyacinth. The latest changes to the example address the problems with the proportions admirably. I especially like the brackets over and under the pairs of numbers showing the proportions, which are actually an improvement in clarity over Stockhausen's own diagram.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 23:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

== Statement on your userpage ==

Your userpage states: "''I currently '''do not''' have reasonable access to computers.''"

Yet, you seem [[Special:Contributions/Hyacinth|quite active]]. More active than I am at least. Is the above statement outdated?

I'm sorry to read about those seizures you have. I once knew a lady who had [[Unverricht–Lundborg disease]]. She died young. It was pretty sad. I hope your prognosis is better than hers was? In any case, best of luck! – <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Face|theFace]]</span> 18:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

== Rhythm changes ==

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== Credit you for the graphic in new article on [[Ralph Patt]], DYK ==

Hi Hyacinth!
FYI, I credited you with the great graphic in the following DYK nomination. I may not be able to monitor your talk page, so please correct the credit to you if you don't want it.

Thanks again!
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===DYK Nomination: [[Ralph Patt]]===
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[[Image:Augmented chord in the chromatic circle.png|100x100px|alt=An equilateral triangle's corners represent the equally spaced notes of a major-thirds tuning, here E-C-G{{music|sharp}}. The triangle is circumscribed by the chromatic circle, which lists the 12 notes of the octave.]]
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'''Did you know'''
*... that the music of Ornette&nbsp;Coleman, John&nbsp;Coltrane, and Arnold&nbsp;Schoenberg inspired jazz&nbsp;guitarist '''[[Ralph&nbsp;Patt]]''' to invent  [[major-thirds tuning]] ''(illustrated)''?
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== [[Guitar chord]] ==

Hej Hyacinth!

Thanks for your help. It will take some time to revise the article. I did remove the M3 mentions from the standard tuning section, after you flagged that as disorganized.

Responding to your comments (about just redirecting readers to articles on chord theory), I shortened and focused the discussion of major, minor, and seventh chords. I added a brief discussion of three-chord progressions.

I sketched further developments for the future on the article talk page.

Thanks again for your help! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 20:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks again for your help. I finished the sketch of the introductory section on chords and chord progressions, which aims to
:#Provide a vocabulary for the rest of the article
:#Describe and "explain" why the CAGED chords are conventionally important
:#Explain particularities of guitar chords.
:If the structure meets with your approval, then I should next deal with stylistic issues, such as duplicate linking. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 12:52, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
::I've further revised the article. Maybe you could remove the template, if the revision has dealt with the disorganization previously noted. Please add new suggestions if you like! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 23:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

===[[Repetitive tuning]]===
I wrote a stub, which displays your graphics again. I'd thought that WP:IAR would allow a bit of WP:Synthesis, but a DYK reviewer flagged my introductory paragraph justly as apparent OR, so it's been removed.

Too bad musical theorists want to talk about Schoenberg and semiotics rather than joining Sethares and writing nicely organized guides to alternative tunings! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 23:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:Is there some kind of "conservation law" for your templates on my articles in progress?!?? ;p
:Seriously, the neologism template seems to be designed especially for commercially motivated neologisms, and it seems to be used (when used sensibly) for commercial or academically promotional neologisms. Do you want to have the title changed to "guitar tunings that repeat (open-string) notes", which would be closer to the sources?
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===Clarification===
Would you discuss what you want on the talk page of the article, please? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 08:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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== "Set theory" template ==

Hi Hyacinth,

I notice you've been adding a new template to a lot of elementary set theory articles.  I have some concerns about this.  First, this sort of template has been discussed more than once at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]], and generally has not garnered a lot of support.  As to the content, if there were to be a template, I am concerned that your template gives a problematic view of what set theory is, by leaving out most contemporary areas of research. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 08:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
:If you wouldn't mind dropping by [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics]] and explaining what you have in mind, I think that would be useful. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 08:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

::From the huge size of [[:Category:Set theory]] and its subcategories, you should be able to see that this is much too large a topic to be covered by a simple template. [[User:JRSpriggs|JRSpriggs]] ([[User talk:JRSpriggs|talk]]) 05:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:::The template is intended for non-researchers. There should be no problem with one template having the basics of set theory, as taught in a course in discrete mathematics for computer scientists, and perhaps including topics in Halmos's book.
:::A template for researchers is not intended. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 13:38, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

== References at geosyncline ==

Seems I've basically "undone" an edit of yours at [[geosyncline]]. The two ''uncited'' references were used in writing and/or updating the article back in 05 or 06, prior to the development of the ref tag system. Thus they "support" portions of the article text and are references not "further reading". Yes, I could go back and add citations for what they support --- but not now. Perhaps there is some discussion of this somewhere, regarding how to "properly" update old reference styles or whatever. Cheers, [[User:Vsmith|Vsmith]] ([[User talk:Vsmith|talk]]) 13:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

== Auto-Tune ==

Why did you revert my change without any explanation? I was trying to satisfy a comment from the article feedback. Why does it have to have that filthy quote instead of a paraphrased alternative? The link to the original was still there. [[User:Bollyjeff|<span style="color:blue">BollyJeff</span>]] <span style="color:green">&#124;</span> [[User talk:Bollyjeff|<span style="color:red">''talk''</span>]] 00:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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== Diminution ==

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==[[User talk:CountMacula#"One Morning in May"|"One Morning in May"]]==
Hi Hyacinth.  I added the example of One Morning in May to the [[Mixolydian Mode]] article.  Thank you for creating a page for that song and for your other constructive edits related to that.  Upon tracking down the old Irish "As I Was Walking One Morning in May" (number 663 in http://imslp.org/wiki/File:SIBLEY1802.6228.15975.cc49-39087012503696pp1-126.pdf), I find that it can hardly be the same as the Keith/Rooney/Taylor song of a similar name, even though they are both in 3/4 time and are both in C Mixolydian.  I think it best to create a page "As I Was Walking One Morning in May" or similar.  Do you have any ideas about what should be the exact name?  Thanks.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 20:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your analysis of the two versions.  My understanding is less than yours.  Then just one page for both.  And can we say that both are in C Mixolydian?  The air has a virtual F key signature except for one B natural and one F#.  The melody in JT's version hits every note in F and none other as far as I detected.  They both come to rest on C.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 13:33, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Can we try to clear up the objection you had relative to your 03:59, 10 October 2012‎ edit of [[Mixolydian Mode]] failed-verification|date=October 2012?  I didn't know exactly what it was that failed in your view.  I supposed that it was the authorship of the song--because the James Taylor youtube video I cited did not mention that.  So I moved the footnote to merely point to the video, hoping that that would fix it.  However another user has removed all mention of the Keith/Rooney/Taylor version and left a hostile comment.  I am on my way to adding a reference to the IMSLP copy of the air.  Hopefully you agree that the example (in both versions) adds to the article, and you can explain to me whatever objections you may still have.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 13:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

== Septuplet rhythm ==
Balong-badong-dadong-dolong-dorong-gong! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Septuplet_rhythm.mid clicky] Howdy, can you please try to remake your midi file by using two different instruments, e. g. drums and piano? All I can hear is a chaos of notes, and it's hella difficult to make out some distinct rhythm in there, because it's near-impossible to figure out who does the straight fourths and who the septuplets. Thank you. -andy [[Special:Contributions/217.50.57.46|217.50.57.46]] ([[User talk:217.50.57.46|talk]]) 05:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Acoustics ==

I was going to merge these but I figured you would know best how to do so (see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell#To merge]]). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Noise ==

Hello Hyacinth, on the matter of identity, take a look [http://post.thing.net/node/3667 here], note the statement "''Then I started to write the Wikipedia page on the history of noise music''." I've commented further on the talk page. How should we deal with this? [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color: gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 06:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:See [[Template:Connected contributor]]. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 07:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::We need a "made man" template. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 08:12, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm familiar with that template, I'll add it. What about the CC-BY-SA 3.0 infringement? [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color: gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 09:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

::::It looks like all the information on Wikipedia is about dealing with Wikipedia violating the copyright of others, not others violating the copyright of Wikipedia. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 17:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:::::{{tps}} [[WP:COPYRIGHT]] has details about both directions of copying. The "Re-use of text" section is the first of a series on that page talking about other sites' use of content originally posted to (and then copied from) WP. As I understand it (and your (plural) concern), it's up to individuals to notice and handle it independently with the other site that is infringing (all we can do on WP is get support and assistance with doing that, etc.). [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:13, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::I did look through the relevant material on this yesterday, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks mirrors and forks] board appears to be the only place to post notices regarding infringement, but it seems to deal solely with website content. The other aspect of this is that although the book in question can be purchased, a free digital edition is available and it uses a CC BY-SA 3.0 license. However in the list of [http://quod.lib.umich.edu/o/ohp/9618970.0001.001/1:11/--immersion-into-noise?rgn=div1;view=fulltext additional licenses] applicable to content used in the book it does not include mention of the content taken from Wikipedia. As far as I'm aware, and from what I've seen elsewhere, when reusing content externally note of Wikipedia and the contributing editors (to the article in question) should be included. [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color: gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 10:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

:::::::I and others have applied Dr. Nechvatal's research notes and eventual published writings to the Wikipedia Noise Music page. In that sense he did supply most of the historical data that makes up the Noise Music page and so he made that claim loosely in an interview. Indirectly he did develop it to a large extent. Regardless, I don't see how all the historical material donated to Wikipedia serves anyone poorly or favorably. I have been objective in my development of the page based on research I have obtained and verified. If anything, others have been promoted through the research material Dr. Nechvatal gave me as he developed his book over the years. That is a fact for which Wikipedia should be grateful I would think. BTW, Dr. Nechvatal's book is a free e-book on which he makes no profit. [[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 15:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Also [http://www.amazon.com/Immersion-Into-Noise-Joseph-Nechvatal/dp/1607852411 on Amazon] for $23. To spare Hyacinth's talk page please see further discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Semitransgenic#Please_try_to_assume_good_faith here]. [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color: gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 15:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::: Of which he received $0 by contract. Perhaps it is important for Hyacinth to know that you have been aggressive and wrong in prior accusations towards me.  [[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 16:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::: Dear Hyacinth. On the [[Noise Music]] issue at the talk page of [[User:Semitransgenic|Semitransgenic]], I feel responsible here for the confusion, as I added quite a bit of research material based on the formation of the book in close to real time during its development. But there are references to the book on the Noise Music page (the book appeared in mid 2011). My understanding is that the Wikimedia Foundation does not own copyright on Wikipedia article texts and illustrations. And that one of the most important aspects of Wikipedia is that its text may be freely redistributed, reused and built upon by anyone, under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and, except where otherwise noted, the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). Permission to reproduce and modify text on Wikipedia has already been granted to anyone anywhere by the authors of individual articles as long as such reproduction and modification complies with licensing terms. As Dr. Nechvatal greatly assisted me by providing his research into the subject for his non-profit book, he was not hesitant to use some of the material (publications that include some content from a wiki project are not considered as republished) that appears in some modified form in his Creative Commons license free e-book and not-for-profit print on demand paper book for which he receives $0.00.  
:::::::::::: On page 5 of the Immersion Into Noise book it states that: “Under this license, authors allow anyone to download, reuse, reprint, modify, distribute, and/or copy this book so long as the authors and source are cited and resulting derivative works are licensed under the same or similar license. No permission is required from the authors or the publisher. Statutory fair use and other rights are in no way affected by the above.”
:::::::::::: So I ask that this issue be closed.[[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 15:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

==[[User talk:CountMacula#Bolding/Debolding 'second'|Bolding/Debolding 'second']]==

I didn't notice in the history of [[Major second]] that you had previously debolded 'second'.  But I think it should be bolded or receive whatever other emphasis is standard for a term that is being defined.  It is being defined there, and that is my reason for bolding it.  Other terms defined and bolded in the article are: 'major tone', 'greater tone', 'minor tone',  and 'lesser tone'.  So how is the definition of 'second' different from the other definitions, and why should the others be bolded and 'second' not be bolded?[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 20:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:You did not respond to the question of why all those other terms defined in the article are bolded and 'second' is not.  Are you familiar with the convention that in any definiton, the defined term is given some kind of typographical emphasis?[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 22:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::Any term should be bolded at the location of its definition, but not thereafter.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 22:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:::See the use of typographical emphasis of the defined terms 'definiendum' and 'definiens' in [[Definition]], as practiced by whoever wrote the article---people who ought to know.  They did not use bolding.  I didn't intend to insist on bolding---only on some kind of emphasis of the defined terms at the points of definition.  Are you seeing the essence of that?[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 22:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, since 'major second' is defined in terms of 'second', its definition should come after that of 'second'.  Or would that not be a logical and standard way of doing it?

BTW I may have some formatting errors involving song titles in [[One Morning in May (folk song)]].  I would appreciate your help there if you know how those are supposed to be handled.  Thanks.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

You wrote: 
:The term defined in the article "definition" ''is'' bolded. The article reads: "A '''definition''' is..." Similarly, the term defined in the article "major second" ''is'' bolded. That article reads: "...a '''major second''' is..." 
::The term 'definition' in that article is bolded because it is the the subject of the article, not because it is defined there, although it is defined there.  Were it not the subject of the article, it would get emphasis other than bolding---because it is defined in the article.  The other terms I mentioned above get emphasis at their points of definition.  They are not bolded because they are not the subject of the article.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 22:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

You wrote:
:Why aren't "'stipulative' definition" and "'descriptive' definition" italicized? Hyacinth (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, well, it does seem that the [[Definition]] article is not consistent in its method of emphasis of the many terms that it defines.  There may be some pattern that we are not seeing.  But a quick review of the article shows probably more than a score of terms defined and that all or just about all of them get some kind of emphasis.  I guess we need to look into the details of the convention that Wikipedia promotes if any.  Would you object to me for now changing the emphasis of the terms (including 'second') defined in the article to italics---except for the defined term that appears in the title of the article, of course?[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 02:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
:::What would be the essence of your objection?  I thought you might consider it an improvement to change the bolding of several defined terms to something not so loud.  And I note that you have yet to state the distinction between those several terms and 'second' by which the former are bolded and the latter is not.[[User:CountMacula|CountMacula]] ([[User talk:CountMacula|talk]]) 02:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Robert.Allen#Composer templates|Composer templates]] ==

Would it be possible to have a category with all composer templates in one alphabetical list? It might be called [[:Category:Composer templates by composer surname]]. Then one could look by composer name and find the templates for one composer grouped together. Or is the search function sufficient for this? --[[User:Robert.Allen|Robert.Allen]] ([[User talk:Robert.Allen|talk]]) 15:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
:I'm always reluctant to work on categories (except at Commons, where I think they are essential), since I have a very poor idea of how they are supposed to work at Wikipedia. And when there are lots of pages, it can really be a lot of work to change things. I give you a lot of credit for tackling this one! 

BTW, thanks for the link with help for searching categories. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to help all that much. First of all, for template pages one has to search using the Help page search box. Second, it apparently cannot be limited with a second search term. For example, compare the following searches: #1 with the regular search box; #2 with the Help page search box, Template namespace selected; #3 the same with another search term; #4 a simple search in the regular search box.
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=incategory%3A%22Composer+templates%22&fulltext=Search incategory:"Composer templates"]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=incategory%3A%22Composer+templates%22&fulltext=Search&ns10=1&profile=advanced incategory:"Composer templates"]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=Tchaikovsky+incategory%3A%22Composer+templates%22&fulltext=Search&ns10=1&profile=advanced Tchaikovsky incategory:"Composer templates"]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=Template%3A+Tchaikovsky&fulltext=Search Template: Tchaikovsky]
I'm not sure what to think about all this... :-) --[[User:Robert.Allen|Robert.Allen]] ([[User talk:Robert.Allen|talk]]) 19:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks, that really helps. I see now why #1 did not work, but I don't understand why #2 worked. (Unless as you say, there is a lag and all the hits were previously in that category. Actually I'm getting a lot fewer hits with the second search now, so this seems very likely.) By "Help page search" I just meant using the Wikipedia Help page search box [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents here]. Not sure how much this really differs from the regular search box. --[[User:Robert.Allen|Robert.Allen]] ([[User talk:Robert.Allen|talk]]) 07:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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== A brief thank you... ==

As a xenharmonic musician, I would never have dreamed that the mainstream Wikipedia would ever have information on the odd type of music I and a few colleagues were into, and yet there are now multiple pages on the topic! Most impressive, and this is true of what I find on Wikimedia Commons as well, is that there are many MIDI sound files of non-12-equal tunings, most if not all done by yourself. I cannot tell you how much that helps me to see what is possible and inspires me to help in my small way. I am a member of the "Xenharmonic Wiki", an independent site dedicated to more detailed information about non-12-tone music and theory and am trying to get started with MIDI, so seeing that you have already made history as being the most prolific creator of microtonal MIDI examples gives me a wave of hope. I am trying to use RoseGarden currently, to go along with the Free Culture principles here,  but have not been able to quickly and easily get it to work so will be trying other options. I currently use Csound as my main composing tool but am always trying to learn something new. Oddly enough it seems to be harder to make the smaller files. MIDI has long baffled and intrigued me with its promise of miniscule size and yet killer depth to understand. You are at least a few steps ahead of me so thank you for paving the way so nicely.
[[User:Senobyte|Senobyte]] ([[User talk:Senobyte|talk]]) 21:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)Senobyte

== [[WP:ANI]] ==

Your reversion of my edits using rollback is improper. See you at ANI. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 07:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

While i can't be your representative, I can make a suggestion: You have a right to remain silent, please use it! With three commenters (thumperward, KW and myself) indicating it's a bogus ANI, it's highly likely the thread will either be close no action or archived by the bot cause no one cares. If an editor who hasn't commented asks you a specific question, then I'd answer. Otherwise, letting it blow over is the best choice. <small>[[User talk:Nobody Ent|Nobody Ent]]</small> 11:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
:Yes the thread should not have been started, but you ''have'' been mis-using rollback. Please do not use rollback for good-faith content disputes. It is for vandalism only. Regards, [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
::{{tps}} What Nobody Ent and GiantSnowman said. Fix it up, and just shrug it off, mate - we're all on the same side here. --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 13:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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== Merging articles in the Music Theory WikiProject ==

Hi, I've raised this issue at the WikiProject [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music theory#Merging many chords articles|talk page]]. Since you're one of the main contributors in this field, I'd like to hear your opinion and suggestions. Cheers!--<span style="color:green"><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[user:Fauban|Fauban]]</span></span> 12:34, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

== Scientific pitch notation merge ==

Why have you done [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_pitch_notation&diff=prev&oldid=522463109 this]?  When one is reverted it is normal to start a discussion if there is still disagreement.  It is certainly not normal just to revert back without explanation.  I did not even get an edit summary.

The article you are merging into [[scientific pitch notation]] has very little to say on ''notation''.  It is almost entirely about the ranges of humans and instruments and their ability to play the first octave.  This is an inappropriate place to merge.  [[Range (music)]] would make a better target, but you have yet to explain why it is necessary to merge at all. '''[[User:Spinningspark|<span style="background:#fafad2; color:#C08000;">Spinning</span>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<span style="color:#4840a0;">Spark</span>]]''' 13:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:[[First octave]] now redirects to [[Octave]]. How's that? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 10:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

::Well that's a better target, but there has still been no reasoning for the merge.  In my opinion, merges should nearly always be preceded by discussion, or at least notification, except for very obvious cases.  I would draw your attention to the [[:Template:Merge]] family. '''[[User:Spinningspark|<span style="background:#fafad2; color:#C08000;">Spinning</span>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<span style="color:#4840a0;">Spark</span>]]''' 11:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

:::There has been no reasoning not to merge. Do you plan to greatly expand "First octave"? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 23:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

::::No. '''[[User:Spinningspark|<span style="background:#fafad2; color:#C08000;">Spinning</span>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<span style="color:#4840a0;">Spark</span>]]''' 23:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

:::Most/all of the reasons at [[Wikipedia:Merging#Reasons_for_merger]] seem to apply, especially #3, text. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 23:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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== Louis Vierne ==

Hello Hyacinth, I was wondering if you could help me with the licensing of this photo (File:Vierne Photo.jpg) I uploaded in the Commons. I found it on IMSLP so I gather it must be free of copyright, but I still can't find my way through the technical procedure regarding its proper validation. The [[Louis Vierne]] article looks a bit empty without the composer's pic, so if you could help me that would be great.

Also, while I'm on your talk page, have a look at [[Organ of the Basilica of St. Martin (Weingarten)]] if you may; I've tried to amend it by adding photos and having the stops' disposition appear in the same way as the German article. I'm quite sure it needs more work, but still, any comments and hints will be much appreciated.

Thanks again, all the best! --[[User:Chrysalifourfour|Chrysalifourfour]] ([[User talk:Chrysalifourfour|talk]]) 09:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, I'm not really sure if I'm supposed to do anything further with the Vierne photo, I should have asked someone else to do it in the first place!

As for the Weingarten article, I believe the huge gap you see depends on the font size you use. I'm not quite sure whether there's a standard positioning of photos so that it always looks neat; it looks okay on my screen though. --[[User:Chrysalifourfour|Chrysalifourfour]] ([[User talk:Chrysalifourfour|talk]]) 11:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

== [[Chord (music)]] ==

At [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chord_%28music%29&diff=523648132&oldid=523614148 here], in a table, I changed "nine" to "ninth" in "Seventh flat nine" and "Seventh sharp nine" for consistency with the prose above the table, as well as all the other chords mentioned, all of which use the [[Ordinal number (linguistics)|ordinal]] form of the numbers (e.g. "Seventh augmented eleventh" and "Seventh augmented fifth"). You then reverted one of the two edits (but not the other). Can you explain (why, in this one case, "nine" would be correct)? <span style="color: red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color: green;">Alan</span><span style="color: blue;">M</span><span style="color: purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color: red;">&#93;—</span> 06:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Multiple image ==

I gather, from your edits to [[Template:Multiple image/doc]], that you are having difficulties with {{tlx|Multiple image}}. There ''is'' a known problem with horizontal placement, but it is not as implied by your text:
:{{tq|1=the template with "direction = horizontal" will place both images on different lines (rows), creating a blank space}}
It's been discussed at [[Template talk:Multiple image#Zoom breaks Horizontal layout]] (and other threads on the same page), and the general opinion is that it only affects certain browsers, and then only at certain zoom levels.

Which browser are you using, and what is the zoom setting? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

:The documentation should mention this "problem", whatever it is. If I remember correctly this appears to be a new problem, and thus presumably arising on one of the templates this template calls up (since this template hasn't been edited for a few months).
:It sounds like your saying both that what I described ''doesn't'' happen, and then acknowledging that it ''does'' happen. I assume then all that would need to be added to the statement you quote is "On some [X, Y, and Z] browsers...".
:I use Firefox, but I don't see how that is relevant, unless you can use this information to help solve the "problem".
:I'd never heard of "zoom setting" until you mentioned it. I didn't find anything that would allow one to describe the zoom setting (aside from the vague: more/less). I don't use any/I use the standard.
:If this wasn't a problem before, or will be fixed, why does [[Template:Double image]] exist?
:[[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 13:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
::With horizontal placement, {{tlx|multiple image}} uses only one subtemplate: {{tlx|Multiple image/numImgs}}, which hasn't been altered since it was created in September 2010.
::The browser is certainly relevant, since at least one ([[Opera (web browser)|Opera]]) does not exhibit this problem at any zoom level. It is known that no two browsers behave identically, since although the software writers are recommended to abide by [http://www.w3.org/standards/ the W3C standards], they are under no obligation to follow them exactly. When we create web pages, we have two main choices: do we code to suit the quirks of one of the popular browsers and so exclude people who use one of the others; or do we code to meet the published standards in the expectation that the writers of browsers will do the same? A good example of such variation concerns the [http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css3-box-20070809/ CSS basic box model], which defines how the [http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css3-box-20070809/#various padding, border and margins] around box-type objects (such as images) should be specified and interpreted. If a browser interprets these measurements differently (as indeed several do), we find that text or images is not displayed as we might expect.
::The zoom setting in Firefox is found in the menu bar as <u>V</u>iew → <u>Z</u>oom, and when there is no zoom (<u>V</u>iew → <u>Z</u>oom → <u>R</u>eset, alternatively following {{keypress|Ctrl|0}}), {{tlx|Multiple image}} with {{para|direction|horizontal}} displays correctly in all five major browsers (Chrome, Firefox, IE, Opera, Safari).
::{{tlx|Double image}} is older: it dates from April 2006, whilst {{tlx|Multiple image}} was created in April 2008. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Valueyou ==

in light of the following [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Nechvatal&diff=524056064&oldid=520576882][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANoise_music&diff=524063096&oldid=524055109][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJoseph_Nechvatal&diff=524056625&oldid=522737423]. You seem to think something is amiss, I tend to agree, but what is the best way to approach this in future? Would asking the user to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest declare an interest], or to think maybe about [[wp:cleanstart]] help? Or is it best just ignore it and AGF? [[User:Semitransgenic|<span style="font- weight:bold; color:black; text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.4em;"> <i>Semitransgenic</i></span>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Semitransgenic|<span style="color: gold;">talk.</span>]]</small></sub> 19:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== Moving proportions to naturals in pythagorean table on [[pentatonic scale]]. ==

You undid my revision, which iz in keeping with other tables on wikipedia. "Proportion" and "Natural" are interchangeable in this context. The numbers I will move are reciprocals of terms in the [[harmonic series (mathematics)]]. Reciprocals of terms in the HS are naturals. I can use them directly in a synthesizer by multiplying them all by the same [[fundamental frequency]] -- into range of hearing. They are not spaced evenly. They are not real numbers or whole numbers. They are naturals. Ratios and proportions are composed of two or more natural numbers. My synthesizer interprets zero az a rest, BTW, which means that I use whole numbers. My practice iz theory. [[Special:Contributions/75.152.125.31|75.152.125.31]] ([[User talk:75.152.125.31|talk]]) 11:44, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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== Subdominant ==

Please go to [[Talk:Degree (music)]] for info on how the subdominant was named. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 01:19, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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== Talkback: WP:NOUSERS ==

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== [[Autostereogram]] Featured article review ==
I have nominated [[Autostereogram]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Autostereogram/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<span style="color:green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

==Notation error on Eimert's mirror?==
I think the final note in the middle voice should be a G-flat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Multiplication_as_mirror_operation.png 
Would you be able to comment/correct? Thanks much! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Benjamin.downs|Benjamin.downs]] ([[User talk:Benjamin.downs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Benjamin.downs|contribs]]) 13:24, 11 December 2012</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

 0  = C
 1  = C#/Db
 2  = D
 3  = D#/Eb
 4  = E
 5  = F
 6  = F#/Gb
 7  = G
 8  = G#/Ab
 9  = A
 10 = A#/Bb
 11 = B

 0  × 5 = 0,  0  × 7 = 0
 1  × 5 = 5,  1  × 7 = 7
 ...
 11 × 5 = 55, 11 × 7 = 77

 55 - (12 × 4) = 7 = G
 77 - (12 × 6) = 5 = F
Just as 1 (identity), when multiplied by 5 and 7 produces 5 and 7, 11 (-1) (inversion) produces 7 and 5. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 00:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks. All is well with your (and Eimert's and Schuijer's) notation then. Very nice work by the way. [[User:Benjamin.downs|Benjamin.downs]] ([[User talk:Benjamin.downs|talk]]) 01:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

== Dear Hyacinth, ==
My first article has “passed” the committee and was given the rank of “C”. My question is this: though the work is now made a formal Wikipedia “article” or “entry,” I notice that it cannot be located by typing the title, (“Sylvan (Sholom) Kalib”) into the general Wikipedia search field. Can you advise me how to correct this? Additionally, I would like for the article to be located when folks search simply for ”Sylvan Kalib,” too. All best wishes.
Many Thanks,
[[User:Pdsayre|Pdsayre]] ([[User talk:Pdsayre|talk]])Paul  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:See: [[Wikipedia:Redirect]] and [[Wikipedia:Moving a page]].
:If you have an article titled "X", but you want readers to end up at "X" when they search for "Y", you go to "Y" and create a redirect to "X" (<nowiki>#REDIRECT [[X]]</nowiki>).
:If you have an article titled "Y" but you want it to be at "X", click "Move page".
:However, it looks like "Sylvan (Sholom) Kalib" was already moved to "Sylvan Kalib", and a redirect was created from "Sylvan (Sholom) Kalib" to "Sylvan Kalib". Thus when one searches for either, one ends up at "Sylvan Kalib". [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 01:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

=== Hyacinth, ===
Thank you. I appreciate the advice.
:-)
[[User:Pdsayre|Pdsayre]] ([[User talk:Pdsayre|talk]]) 22:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)paul

== Schoenberg circle ==

Our ''beautiful'' search engine doesn't even show the article on [[Schoenberg circle]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=*Schoenberg+circle&title=Special%3ASearch as of today]), so I failed and is seeking your help to find the the correct target that you might have intended. Thanks for your help<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 11:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks<span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···[[User:Vanischenu|'''V<span style="color:green;">ani</span>s<span style="color:green;">che</span>nu''']][[Special:Contributions/Vanischenu|<sup>「m</sup>]]/[[User_talk:Vanischenu|<sub>Talk」</sub>]]</span> 11:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

== Going Microtonal with Copyleft Software ==

I self-discovered that Rosegarden can edit precise pitch bend events as per the MIDI standard. By editing a track in the "Event List Editor", one can insert events of many types, including pitch bend events. It uses the MSB/LSB convention, where the least significant byte increments by 1 and the most significant byte increments 128 units (of 16,384 total, of course, pitch bend being the only 14-bit aspect of MIDI) or about 3 cents as you mentioned. I now believe there is no reason for me to investigate Sibelius as all of your standard MIDI files are perfectly editable and study-able in Rosegarden. In the summer, I had a cursory and superficial contact with Rosegarden that gave me the wrong impression. I could only get sloppy pitch bends by dragging in a graphical editor which was not all the program was capable of. As I am interested in programming cell phone games (Java ME to be precise) MIDI is a big part of the game music on low-end devices and I am happy to say that most phones play pitch-bent MIDI files well. I have one phone that plays the original pitch for too long before bending which makes for a disorienting effect, but I find most phones play the files right. You have been a pioneer in bringing non-12TET sounds to Wikipedia and I look forward to joining you in appropriate microtonal/xenharmonic contributions. If your computer ever breaks, I have one or two decent spare laptops I would be glad to help you out with. Happy Hacking and Happy Holidays too.
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==COI==
Thank you [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] for the suggestion of [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Declaring an interest|declaration of interest]]. Yes perhaps that is an answer. I was not aware of it. Anyway, all the information on the [[Joseph Nechvatal]] page is objective and verified. Most recent verification can be found on page 199 of the book ''100 Ideas that Changed Art'' by Michael Bird, published by LAURENCE KING PUBLISHING LIMITED, London 2012 - where his painting ''Orgiastic abattOir : flawless ignudiO'' (2003) - published with his permission on wikipedia - is presented and discussed around his ideas of the "viractual" (p. 198). The issue of notes does not apply to this page. I would appreciate it if you would remove the COI banner. If it is best, I will not contribute to this page any more. [[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 10:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

:: Again I ask you if you would please remove the COI banner at [[Joseph Nechvatal]]. I will be happy to make a [[wp:cleanstart]] - and I will not contribute to this page any more. OK? Thank you. [[User:Valueyou|Valueyou]] ([[User talk:Valueyou|talk]]) 13:22, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

== Debussy chords for Guiraud (notation) ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debussy%27s_chords_for_Guiraud.png

Thanks for this. In studying it, I'm finding the accidental notation a bit ambiguous. In the first bar, you (or your reference) add another flat on the B in the 5th chord, already flattened from the 3rd chord; but you don't add another sharp on the 6th chord, though there is a sharp on the previous F. Am I to take it from this that the B in the 5th chord is bbB - ie. A or that it's there in error?  If this score weren't atonal, it might be clearer to me, but as I found it whilst browsing atonality, I'm left wondering.  A similar ambiguity exists in the 4th bar.

I was actually thinking of adding a midi file to illustrate the example when I encountered this - it takes me too long to play the changes "live" to hear what he's getting at at some points in the sequences. <span style="font-family: 'Brush script MT', cursive;font-size:1.4em;vertical-align:middle;"> [[User:Trev M|Trev M ]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Trev_M|~&nbsp;]]</span> 16:06, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

== DYK ==
{{also|Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Clarification_needed?}}
First, and I can't believe this needs to be said, do not [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&diff=529800383&oldid=529798320 put a maintaintence template] in DYK or anywhere on the main page, for that matter. Second, there is nothing wrong with the hook. Power is the ''rate'' at which energy is transferred by the circuit. "2000 MW per hour" is nonsensical. [[User:Timotheus Canens|T. Canens]] ([[User talk:Timotheus Canens|talk]]) 07:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:Maybe this is why people leave Wikipedia: commands without reason. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 07:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::I'm not qualified to evaluate the hook, but the Main Page is NOT the time to put maintenance templates on a hook. If you hate it, then say so at the DYK reviewing stage which typically lasts for a few days. DYKs only get pulled off the Main Page because of plagiarism. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 07:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::It's ridiculous what you did, Hyacinth. There is a specific page to post errors reports for items appearing on the Main Page: [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors]]. [[User:Zozo2kx|Yazan]] ([[User talk:Zozo2kx|talk]]) 08:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Where else was this incident discussed? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 22:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:Well, [[Template:Did you know]] is watched by many people as it's on the Main Page... --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 06:06, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

::But my talk page isn't. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 06:10, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Clarification_needed.3F here]. [[User:Zozo2kx|Yazan]] ([[User talk:Zozo2kx|talk]]) 06:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== Invitation and RSVP ==
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!bgcolor="#ccccff" |<font=3>WIKIPEDIA LOVES LIBRARIES: MISSOULA PUBLIC LIBRARY WIKIPEDIA WORKSHOP!<br>You're invited to participate in '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/Missoula/Wiki Loves Libraries 2013|Wikipedia Loves Libraries 2013]]''', a workshop and <span class="plainlinks">[http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Model_projects/Edit-a-thon_How-To edit-athon]</span> hosted by [[Missoula Public Library]] for the purpose of improving [[National Register of Historic Places listings in Montana]] and [[Wikipedia:Stub|stubs]] relating to [[Montana]]. No prior experience needed! The event will take place on '''Friday, January 4, 2013''' from '''3:30-5:30pm''' at the [http://www.missoulapubliclibrary.org/branches/main Missoula Public Library Main Branch] in [[Missoula, Montana]]. You can view details about this [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Libraries|Wiki Loves Libraries]] event [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Missoula/Wiki Loves Libraries 2013|here]]. Be sure to RSVP and share the results of your work [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Missoula/Wiki Loves Libraries 2013|HERE]].<br>
|} (Note change in start time to 3:30PM)[[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]) 16:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for spotting that typo! [[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]) 20:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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== Template:Req photo ==

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== Regular tunings! ==
[[File:New standard tuning in the chromatic circle.png|right|thumb|The thicker lines are more legible (yeah!), and the directed arrows more informative (YEAH!!!).]] 

Happy New Year, Hyacinth!

The png files are much more legible. Thanks for the great work.

Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 01:19, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

:"C-G-D-A-E-G". [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth#top|talk]]) 11:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
::<s>Maybe it was the old diagram, or</s> I edited past my bedtime. I corrected the query about E-G. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">'''Kiefer'''</span>]][[User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz#top|<span style="color:blue;">.Wolfowitz</span>]]</span></small> 11:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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