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==problem article==
A  poorly referenced and unlinked  article has been written on [[Fake stories in Three Kingdoms novel]] devoted to the differences between the history and the novel. This would seem something obviously important, but it is undoubtedly also covered elsewhere. I stopped it from speedy deletion, but I doubt it can stand as written, and I leave it up to the experts here what to do with it. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 09:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:experts? <looks around> [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 09:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh dear *sobs*. Many of these tales are scattered around in the biographical articles or the battle articles, and some of them have their own articles (like [[Oath of the Peach Garden]]). It would make sense to have a place to centralize these tales, but I don't think anything more than a list would be coherent/encyclopedic. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 09:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Perhaps it would be good to have an article that sums up all the false and exaggerated information that appears in RoTK, but this article is, to be polite, rather poor. Besides, one of our goals is to seperate the factual information from the fictional information with each article. This article could then be perceived as redundant. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 10:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, check the article. I've made some modifications. [[User:Armando12|<span style="color:#276394;">Armando.O</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Armando12|<span style="color:#2C518F;">talk</span>]] • [[WP:EV|<span style="color:#2C518F;">Ev</span>]]</sup> 04:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Article request ==

I added this article request.  I think it would be an interesting topic.
* [[Mengchong]] - (from [[Imperial Chinese Navy]]:  leather-covered assault warship - ships of the Three Kingdons period)
[[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 18:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries|WikiProject Former countries]]  (from [[User:Domino theory|Domino theory]]) ==

Hello All:

This is Ling.Nut; I'm cross-posting this message that [[User:Domino theory|Domino theory]] placed on my talk page:
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Re: Three Kingdoms

After looking at your user page I became aware of the Three Kingdoms project. I did not find it as I was looking for similar projects when I set up the task force for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries/Chinese task force|Chinese historical states]]. The task force was created to coordinate the questions regarding Chinese states within the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries|WikiProject Former countries]] and one of the reasons it came about was the current use of the Former Countries infobox in Chinese dynasty articles.

WikiProject Former countries would like to cooperate as much as possible with other WikiProjects, and I think the two projects could be helpful to one another. There is ongoing work to to separate articles that cover royal and princely houses, especially within the Holy Roman Empire, from the states that they ruled over. The same kind of separation also needs to be achieved in other parts of the world, like the Indian subcontinent and China.

I haven't been able to work much with these articles myself, but this might be something that the members of the Three Kingdoms project would respond to. I'm adding your project to the collaboration list at the task force. Feel free to contribute or give your input on the take. Cheers, -- [[User:Domino theory|Domino theory]] 17:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:This...sounds like a bad idea. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 07:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed.  In fact now that it's been brought up that Chinese dynasties have been using the former countries infobox, I'm thinking of creating an infobox specifically for Chinese Dynasties.  There are certainly enough dynasties that it would be useful.  [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 08:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Argh, I can't handle another WikiProject! If somebody else wishes to assist, it's always good to help out our fellow editors. Unfortunately, I won't be there any time soon. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 08:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Hi, everyone! Former countries in Chinese history is has been supported by [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries|WikiProject Former countries]] for a long time. The current situation is that the infobox intended for historic states or countries has been applied to a number of dynasties that ruled in China. Obviously a dynasty is an important component of a state, but to say that the state and the dynasty is one and the same is to confuse two different concepts. Each of them has properties that can not be found in the other, including the fact that they both have the capacity to survive the demise of the other. A dynasty can rule over more than one state, and a state can fall under the control of a new dynasty. This doesn't mean that the control of a state or empire under one particular dynasty shouldn't be worthy of a separate article, it's just that in such a case the article that carries the infobox should be about the state and not the dynastic ruling house. Anyone is interested in improving the work on historical states and empires from a broader perspective is also welcome to join up. -- [[User:Domino theory|Domino theory]] 09:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::For Chinese purposes, that will be unnecessary. The Han state, for example, falls exactly at the moment the Han Dynasty falls, and the Tang state falls when the Tang Dynasty falls, and so on. What doesn't fall though, is places like [[China]], [[Tibet]], [[Mongolia]], etc. But we already have articles on those "states". I can see why we want things like [[Empire of China]] to convey the history of the state of China, but that is already covered in [[History in China]]....I would rather follow HongQiGong's idea of making infoboxes for Chinese dynasties instead. Anyways, this is too wide a topic for us to discuss, you might want to bring this up at [[WP:CHINA|WikiProject China]] 11:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Deadkid dk|Deadkid dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Deadkid dk|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Your mission, should you choose to accept it...! ==

Today is the first time I've ever run across this: '''[[Wikipedia:Featured topics]]'''. This is ''cool''. I am lusting after this status for our WikiProject... anyone else? [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 01:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:...It might take years. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 01:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, don't be so grumpy! :)  [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 01:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::He's right. If it were up to me alone, it'd take decades, but it's worth a try. Then again, if we concentrate on bringing single articles up to FA standard, we'd get FT by default. We should simply run with our current game plan. By the way, where did our army of WP:3K members disappear to? [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 05:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah I ran into this a few weeks ago and have a few topics in mind that I would love to do (unrelated to Three Kingdoms).  I think there's definitely potential for a Three Kindgoms featured topics.  Just off the top of my head, you can do one on the Five Tiger Generals.  Including [[Five Tiger Generals]], which will act as the lead article, that's six articles.  Of those six articles, two will need to be FA, and the rest must be GA.  [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 06:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Those articles were up for deletion for lack of notability or something just a couple of months back. Might be hard getting them FA'd. We should stick to historically significant articles. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 06:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::The only bad thing I see on some articles is the lack of references. And what about the Guan Yu article? Wasn't it gonna to be the next collaboration??? '''[[User:Armando12|<span style="color:#55657B;">Armando.O</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Armando12|talk]]{{·}} [[WP:EV|Ev]]{{·}} [[WP:3K|3K]]</sup> 20:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think each of us are tied up in one real life commitment or another... [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 12:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Apart from the ''Dynasty Warriors'' referencing, I've been hesitant to add to or remove anything further from the Guan Yu article. Not only is it already massive, but I'm unfamiliar with all the myth/legend/reverence/godliness surrounding his character in Asia; and I know it's strong. I don't want to change anything unless I'm completely sure of what I'm doing. Aside from that, my job is List of Dynasty Warriors characters. I will reference it further when I have a few hours to pick a PlayStation controller and jot down every quote I can muster. I'm currently mostly preoccupied with fighting AfD nominations against video game articles. There's a number of haughty bureaucrats who believe they have the right to tell all of Wikipedia what's good for us and what we want to read about. It's frustrating me that you can't have a commonsense conversation with these imbeciles, as they seem to know little more than how to type snippets of policy and obscure, semi-official, Deletionist guidelines and throw them at you. Sad thing is, this puts them in the right. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gamer Junkie|<span style="color:teal;">T</span>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Gamer Junkie|<span style="color:teal;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

==Notability==
Let's ask this question among ourselves before people send our articles to AfD....Where should the notability bar be set for inclusion in Wikipedia? Are all people mentioned in historical texts notable by default? Are minor fictional characters notable because they were in the novel? [[Diaochan]] and [[Zhou Cang]] are notable, no doubt, but what about the poor fellows who only serve as fodder? (ie. [[Han Fu (fictional)]], [[Fang Yue]], etc.) [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 08:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
: I always ask myself, WWJKD? [What would Jim Kirk do?]. My answer is: if they're wearing red shirts, send 'em out to the hostile alien planet, and screw 'em if they die there. We don't have to fight for every single character. [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 08:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's important information from one of the most famous and culturally influential periods in Chinese history. Even the fictional characters are from one of the most historically significant and famous novels ever written. I think it falls well within safe boundaries. It's not as though we'll be concentrating our efforts on very minor historical figures, not for a long time anyway. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 08:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Banner! ==

I've created this banner of the WikiProject for the [[WP:BANNER|Wikipedia ads]].
{{wikipedia ads|ad=112}}
Any comments?? Do you think something should be added?? '''[[User:Armando12|<span style="color:#55657B;">Armando.O</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Armando12|talk]]{{·}} [[WP:EV|Ev]]{{·}} [[WP:3K|3K]]</sup> 18:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'm on wiki-sabbatical. But I think you did a nice job. :-) I think the text could be a bit catchier... Good luck! [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 02:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::I like it. I generally prefer a little colour, but since you made it, I'll leave that for you to decide. [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 03:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No no! Tell me. What colors?? And what else I should add? '''[[User:Armando12|<span style="color:#55657B;">Armando.O</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Armando12|talk]]{{·}} [[WP:EV|Ev]]{{·}} [[WP:3K|3K]]</sup> 16:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Nothing else needs to be added. As far as colours go, the Chinese people are a culturally colourful bunch. They love bright, rich and extravagant colours. Perhaps this should be reflected in our banner? Something in a green, red or gold? [[User:Gamer Junkie|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:teal;">'''Gamer Junkie'''</span>]] 22:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Nah, this is good. Extravagance only kicked in around Ming Dynasty.[[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 01:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I personally like it. The only thing that strikes me is that Wu is generally listed last for some reason, but here they are in the middel. Its no big deal, just something i noticed. --[[User:EveryDayJoe45|EveryDayJoe45]] ([[User talk:EveryDayJoe45|talk]]) 00:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

==Templates, redux==
A few months before I suggested a split of the gigantic {{tl|People of the Three Kingdoms}} template into four. I've recently completed the prototypes and here they are:

{{Navbox
|name       = People of the end of Han Dynasty
|state      = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
|title      = Prominent people of the [[End of Han Dynasty]]
|group1 = Emperors
| list1  = [[Emperor Ling of Han|Emperor Ling]]{{·}} [[Prince of Hongnong|Emperor Shao]]{{·}} [[Emperor Xian of Han|Emperor Xian]]
| group2 = Warlords
| list2  = [[Cao Cao]]{{·}} [[Dong Zhuo]]{{·}} [[Gongsun Du]]{{·}} [[Gongsun Zan]]{{·}} [[Guo Si]]{{·}} [[Han Sui]]{{·}} [[He Jin]]{{·}} [[Kong Rong]]{{·}} [[Li Jue (Three Kingdoms)|Li Jue]]{{·}} [[Liu Bei]]{{·}} [[Liu Biao]]{{·}} [[Liu Yu (2nd century)|Liu Yu]]{{·}} [[Liu Zhang (warlord)|Liu Zhang]]{{·}} [[Lü Bu]]{{·}} [[Ma Teng]]{{·}} [[Sun Jian]]{{·}} [[Sun Ce]]{{·}} [[Sun Quan]]{{·}} [[Yuan Shao]]{{·}} [[Yuan Shu]]{{·}} [[Zhang Jiao]]{{·}} [[Zhang Lu]]{{·}} [[Zhang Xiu]]
| group3 = Advisors
| list3  = [[Cai Yong]]{{·}} [[Chen Gong]]{{·}} [[Dong Zhao (Three Kingdoms)|Dong Zhao]]{{·}} [[Chen Qun]]{{·}} [[Cheng Yu]]{{·}} [[Fa Zheng]]{{·}} [[Feng Ji]]{{·}} [[Guo Jia]]{{·}} [[Guo Tu]]{{·}}[[Jia Xu]]{{·}}[[Ju Shou]]{{·}} [[Lu Su]]{{·}} [[Ma Liang (Three Kingdoms)|Ma Liang]]{{·}} [[Pang Tong]]{{·}} [[Tian Feng]]{{·}} [[Xun You]]{{·}} [[Xun Yu]]{{·}} [[Wang Yun]]{{·}} [[Zhang Hong]]{{·}} [[Zhang Zhao]]{{·}} [[Zhuge Jin]]{{·}} [[Zhuge Liang]]
| group4 = Generals
| list4  = [[Cao Hong]]{{·}} [[Cao Ren]]{{·}} [[Cao Zhang]]{{·}} [[Cheng Pu]]{{·}} [[Dian Wei]]{{·}} [[Dong Xi]]{{·}} [[Gan Ning]]{{·}} [[Guan Yu]]{{·}} [[Han Dang]]{{·}} [[Hua Xiong]]{{·}} [[Huang Gai]]{{·}} [[Huang Zhong]]{{·}} [[Huang Zu]]{{·}}[[Huangfu Song]]{{·}} [[Jiang Qin]]{{·}} [[Li Dian]]{{·}} [[Ling Tong]]{{·}} [[Liu Feng]]{{·}} [[Lü Meng]]{{·}} [[Ma Chao]]{{·}} [[Pan Zhang]]{{·}} [[Pang De]]{{·}} [[Taishi Ci]]{{·}} [[Wei Yan]]{{·}} [[Wen Chou]]{{·}} [[Wen Pin]]{{·}} [[Xiahou Dun]]{{·}} [[Xiahou Yuan]]{{·}} [[Xu Chu]]{{·}}  [[Xu Huang]]{{·}} [[Xu Sheng]]{{·}} [[Yan Liang]]{{·}} [[Yu Jin]]{{·}} [[Yue Jin]]{{·}} [[Zhang Fei]]{{·}} [[Zhang He]]{{·}} [[Zhang Liao]]{{·}} [[Zhao Yun]]{{·}} [[Zhou Tai]]{{·}} [[Zhou Yu]]
| group5 = Others
| list5  = [[Cai Wenji]]{{·}} [[Guan Lu]]{{·}} [[Hua Tuo]]{{·}} [[Sima Hui]]{{·}} [[Sun Shangxiang]]{{·}} [[Zhang Zhongjing]]{{·}} [[Zuo Ci]]
}}

{{Navbox
|name       = People of Cao Wei
|state      = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
|title      = Prominent people of [[Cao Wei]]
|group1 = Emperors
|list1  = [[Cao Pi]]{{·}} [[Cao Rui]]{{·}} [[Cao Fang]]{{·}} [[Cao Mao]]{{·}} [[Cao Huan]]
| group2 = Regents
| list2  = [[Cao Shuang]]{{·}} [[Sima Yi]]{{·}} [[Sima Shi]]{{·}} [[Sima Zhao]]{{·}} [[Emperor Wu of Jìn|Sima Yan]]
| group3 = Advisors
| list3  = [[Dong Zhao (Three Kingdoms)|Dong Zhao]]{{·}} [[Chen Qun]]{{·}} [[Jia Chong]]{{·}} [[Jia Kui]]{{·}} [[Jia Xu]]{{·}} [[Hua Xin]]{{·}} [[Ma Jun]]{{·}} [[Pei Xiu]]{{·}} [[Sima Fu]]{{·}} [[Wang Bi]]{{·}} [[Wang Xiang]]{{·}} [[Wei Guan]]{{·}} [[Xiahou Xuan]]{{·}} [[Yu Huan]]{{·}} [[Zhong Yao]]
| group4 = Generals
| list4  = [[Cao Ren]]{{·}} [[Cao Xiu]]{{·}} [[Cao Zhen]]{{·}} [[Deng Ai]]{{·}} [[Gongsun Yuan]]{{·}} [[Guanqiu Jian]]{{·}} [[Guo Huai]]{{·}} [[Hao Zhao]]{{·}} [[Man Chong]]{{·}} [[Meng Da]]{{·}} [[Tian Yu]]{{·}} [[Wang Ling]]{{·}} [[Wen Pin]]{{·}} [[Xiahou Shang]]{{·}} [[Xu Huang]]{{·}} [[Zhang He]]{{·}} [[Zhang Liao]]{{·}} [[Zhong Hui]]{{·}} [[Zhuge Dan]]
| group5 = Others
| list5  = [[Cao Zhi]] {{·}} [[Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove]]{{·}} [[Zhen Luo]]
}}

{{Navbox
|name       = People of Shu Han
|state      = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
|title      = Prominent people of [[Shu Han]]
|group1 = Emperors
|list1  = [[Liu Bei]]{{·}} [[Liu Shan]]
| group2 = Regents
| list2  = [[Zhuge Liang]]{{·}} [[Jiang Wan]]{{·}} [[Dong Yun]]{{·}} [[Fei Yi]]{{·}} [[Jiang Wei]] 
| group3 = Advisors
| list3  = [[Chen Shou]]{{·}} [[Fei Shi]]{{·}} [[Huang Hao]]{{·}} [[Liu Ba]]{{·}} [[Li Yan (Three Kingdoms)|Li Yan]]{{·}} [[Ma Liang (Three Kingdoms)|Ma Liang]]{{·}} [[Ma Su]]{{·}} [[Qiao Zhou]]{{·}} [[Xi Zheng]]{{·}} [[Yang Yi]]
| group4 = Generals
| list4  = [[Chen Dao]]{{·}} [[Deng Zhi]]{{·}} [[Fu Qian]]{{·}} [[Huang Quan]]{{·}} [[Li Hui]]{{·}} [[Liao Hua]]{{·}} [[Ma Chao]]{{·}} [[Ma Zhong (Shu Han)|Ma Zhong]]{{·}} [[Wang Ping (Three Kingdoms)|Wang Ping]]{{·}} [[Wei Yan]]{{·}} [[Xiahou Ba]]{{·}} [[Wu Ban]]{{·}} [[Zhang Fei]]{{·}} [[Zhang Yi (Boqi)]]{{·}} [[Zhao Yun]]{{·}} [[Zhuge Zhan]]
| group5 = Others
| list5  = [[Huang Yueying]]{{·}} [[Liu Chen]]{{·}} [[Meng Huo]]
}}

{{Navbox
|name       = People of Eastern Wu
|state      = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
|title      = Prominent people of [[Eastern Wu]]
|group1 = Emperors
|list1  = [[Sun Quan]]{{·}} [[Sun Liang]]{{·}} [[Sun Xiu]]{{·}} [[Sun Hao]]
| group2 = Regents
| list2  = [[Zhuge Ke]]{{·}} [[Sun Jun]]{{·}} [[Sun Lin]] 
| group3 = Advisors
| list3  = [[Cen Hun]]{{·}} [[Gu Yong]]{{·}} [[Hua He]]{{·}} [[Lu Kai]]{{·}} [[Lu Xun (Three Kingdoms)|Lu Xun]]{{·}} [[Lü Dai]]{{·}} [[Teng Yin]]{{·}} [[Wei Zhao]]{{·}} [[Zhang Ti]]{{·}} [[Zhang Zhao]]{{·}} [[Zhuge Jin]]
| group4 = Generals
| list4  = [[Bu Zhi]]{{·}} [[Ding Feng]]{{·}} [[Han Dang]]{{·}} [[He Qi]]{{·}} [[Ling Tong]]{{·}} [[Lu Kang]]{{·}} [[Lü Fan]]{{·}} [[Pan Zhang]]{{·}} [[Sun Shao]]{{·}} [[Quan Cong]]{{·}} [[Xu Sheng]]{{·}} [[Zhang Bu]]{{·}} [[Zhou Fang (Three Kingdoms)|Zhou Fang]]{{·}} [[Zhou Tai]]{{·}} [[Zhu Ran]]{{·}} [[Zhu Zhi]]
| group5 = Others
| list5  = [[Sun He]]
}}

As you can see, yes, one template is much bigger than the other three, but it's much smaller than the one we have now.
Evaluate them, question my choices, scream at me.....do whatever, discuss. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 07:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:If there are no problems I will make the switch. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 08:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

::I think that's an awesome idea. But there are no comments, so I think you just should do it.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Armando12|Armando12]] ([[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Armando12|contribs]]) 23:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I have a small problem: the templates won't collapse properly when the parameter state=collapsed is used. (See for example in [[Sima Yan]]). Would someone knowledgeable in wikicode-fu check it out? [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 01:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Strange, it seems to work for {{tl|People of the end of Han Dynasty}} (as seen on [[Emperor Ling of Han]]) but not {{tl|People of Cao Wei}} (eg. [[Sima Yan]]). [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 03:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind, I think I got it =) [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 04:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Now that the four templates are in place and {{tl|People of the Three Kingdoms}} phased out, perhaps we can nominate it for deletion now? [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 04:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds like a plan to me. [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 07:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a wild Ling Nut on the loose and he's not working on his dissertation! No way, that's impossible! [[Image:Face-surprise.svg]] [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 11:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Dude, I'll pay you two hundred bucks to write this thing for me. It is a demon straight from Satan's lowest hell. [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 12:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Glad to oblige, I get two hundred dollars for ruining someone's life! What fun! :D [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 22:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
(undent). Yeah. All my friends who were ahead of me in the PhD program pissed and moaned and pissed and moaned about how terrible writing a dissertation is... all of them, even the really hard-working ones! But on the other hand, on the day when it was all done and they got their PhD, all of them looked like they'd just won the lottery, had a baby and inherited a million dollars all at the same time... [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] ([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 05:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
=== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:People of the Three Kingdoms}}]] ===
[[Template:{{ucfirst:People of the Three Kingdoms}}]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:{{ucfirst:People of the Three Kingdoms}}}}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 22:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== AFDs ==

Two Three Kingdoms related articles, [[DW Three Kingdoms]] and [[The Greatest of Heroes]], are being nominated for deletion. Please come comment in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DW Three Kingdoms]], thank you. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 23:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

== Sources ==

Has anyone considered extracting biographies from [[Rafe de Crespigny]]: ''A biographical dictionary of Later Han to the Three Kingdoms'', Leiden 2007, {{ISBN|90-04-15605-4}} ? [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 09:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:I currently have a copy of the book from my university's library, and I think Ling.Nut has it as well. Extracting word for word would lead to copyright violations, and not everyone in the dictionary is notable....So all I've been doing so far is using the book as an aid to improve existing articles. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 11:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::Of course! [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 15:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Thats actually pretty cool. They have biographies at Kongming the website too, but they are a little to extensive most of the time. --[[User:EveryDayJoe45|EveryDayJoe45]] ([[User talk:EveryDayJoe45|talk]]) 19:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know if Kongming.net is a reliable source for an encyclopedia. [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 15:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

::What do you think of a whitelist for people included in Crespigny's work? [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 15:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm refering to [[WP:BIO]] for that, and I guess each person's notability should be examined case by case... [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 15:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::Curious; I wouldn't have suspected any restrictions at all, since subjects like [[Tsst]] seem to be relevant. en.wp, OMG ;) [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 08:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The English Wikipedia works in mysterious ways. (Funny, I just watched that episode like yesterday =D) [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 09:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Me too LOL [[User:Sarazyn|Sarazyn]] &bull; <small>[[User talk:Sarazyn|丁人LK]]</small> &bull; <small>[[:de:Benutzer:Sarazyn|DE]]</small> 12:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Guidelines revision ==

I have just finished revising our guidelines so that they are more relevant with our scope and encourages consistency among our articles. I urge everyone to read it over and give some feedback. Thanks. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 00:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

==Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme==

As you [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-06-23/Dispatches|may have heard]], we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level.  The new description is available at [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment|WP:ASSESS]].
*The '''new C-Class''' represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.  
*The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment/B-Class_criteria|a rubric]], and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.  
*A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment/A-Class_criteria|described here]].  

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at [[:Category:C-Class_articles]].  If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages.  [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index|The bot]] is already finding and listing C-Class articles. 

Please [[Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment#WikiProject_responses|leave a message]] with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme.  This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year.  Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|1.0 Editorial Team]], [[User:ShepBot|<span style="color:green;">'''§hepBot'''</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:ShepBot|<span style="color:red;">Disable</span>]])</small>''' 21:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Articles flagged for cleanup ==

Currently, 794 articles are assigned to this project, of which 344, or 43.3%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of {{date|2008-07-14}}.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See [[User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings]] for details. Subscribing is easy - just add [[User:WolterBot/Cleanup listing subscription|a template]] to your project page. <small>If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at [[User talk:B. Wolterding|my user talk page]].</small> --[[User:B. Wolterding|B. Wolterding]] ([[User talk:B. Wolterding|talk]]) 16:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Template:Three Kingdoms warning ==

[[Template:Three Kingdoms warning]] has been nominated for deletion [[WP:TFD]] [[Special:Contributions/70.51.8.103|70.51.8.103]] ([[User talk:70.51.8.103|talk]]) 06:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't even understand what that is... --[[User:EveryDayJoe45|EveryDayJoe45]] ([[User talk:EveryDayJoe45|talk]]) 19:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Three Kingdoms ==

[[Wikipedia:Release Version|Wikipedia 0.7]] is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] has made an [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-13/HTML/ automated selection of articles for Version 0.7].

We would like to ask you to review the [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-13/HTML/Three_Kingdoms.s0.html articles selected from this project]. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7]]. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at [[Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations]]. 

A [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi list of selected articles with cleanup tags], sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Copyediting|copyediting requests]], although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. 

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at [[User:SelectionBot/0.7/T-2|this project's subpage]] of [[User:SelectionBot/0.7]]. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, [[User:SelectionBot|SelectionBot]] 23:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Battle of Red Ciffs ==
I saw the Battle of red Cliffs as the selected article for today... Good job guys. I figure its about time I get myself straight and start helping this project that I sorta relinquished from slowly but surely. So I'm back, I'm back and I'm going to start helping as best I can once again. --[[User:EveryDayJoe45|EveryDayJoe45]] ([[User talk:EveryDayJoe45|talk]]) 16:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:You missed the hordes of vandals. :-)  [[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]] <sup>([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]&mdash;[[User:Ling.Nut/3IAR|WP:3IAR]])</sup> 13:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::Haha well I'm officially going back to my roots with this project again. --[[User:EveryDayJoe45|EveryDayJoe45]] ([[User talk:EveryDayJoe45|talk]]) 15:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==History of the Han Dynasty==

Since it mentions prominent figures of the Three Kingdoms era, I'd like some of you guys to take a look at [[History of the Han Dynasty]]. Thanks.--<strong>[[User:PericlesofAthens|<span style="color:blue;">Pericles of Athens</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:PericlesofAthens|<span style="color:#0000CD;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 02:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Coordinators' working group ==



Hi!  I'd like to draw your attention to the new [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Coordinators' working group|WikiProject coordinators' working group]], an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate.  This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group.  If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; <small>Delievered by [[User:ShepBot|<span style="color:green;">'''§hepBot'''</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:ShepBot|<span style="color:red;">Disable</span>]])</small>''' on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)</small>

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==Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?==
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== Luo GuanZhong (Translation by Moss Roberts), Three Kingdoms: A Historical Novel (Los Angeles, Unabridged Part 1 & 2, 1st ed, 2001) ==

On several of the Three Kingdoms project articles the Three Kingdoms Historical Novel is referred to as fiction.  It is important to point out it is not totally fiction.  It has been suggested that it is approximately 30% fiction 70% based on History.  Future Three Kingdoms articles should make this distinction for the validity of the overall project.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.163.181.124|86.163.181.124]] ([[User talk:86.163.181.124|talk]]) 22:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Much as we don't use Shakespearean works to write about Roman history we don't use the novel to write about the Three Kingdoms' history, however much based on history they are. That's all they are — <u>fiction</u> based on history. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] ([[User talk:Deadkid dk|talk]]) 07:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)