User talk:Ckatz

User talk:Ckatz

Hello! Thanks for dropping by... please feel free to leave me a message below. I don't have a convention as to where I'll respond, be it here, your talk page, or the talk page of the subject we're discussing - but I'll do my best to keep things clear. Let me know if you have a preference... now, get typing! Ckatz

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Our Prattville removal after User:AniMate created the entry

On entry 07:41, 17 September 2009, Admin Animate reworked the Prattville Wiki and added the Our Prattville link where it should be under Media. Then on 10:16 of that same day IP Address 76.73.140.26 undid his revision and stated no reason. Then on 11:57 of the same day IP address 98.89.12.105 properly undid that revision and at 13:05 Admin Baseball Bugs calls 98.89.12.105 a spammer and undoes it.

Therefore, if 98.89.12.105 did not create the entry and only undid what 76.73.140.26 undid, all of this refers back to the original poster Admin Animate as the spammer, right? I highly doubt that one of your administrators could be considered a spammer? What in the world is going on here? Please, somebody clarify this for me. Should not Animate's revision stand? Why is it being removed? He said he would do that for us and he did and we thank him for that. Now it is removed...why? Please advise.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtp1960 (talk • contribs) and associated IP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.89.12.105 (talk)

I read the guidelines

Nowhere did I find information in the external links guide that would lead me to believe that the link I published was inappropriate.

What should be linked: "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons."

Links to be considered: "Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources."

The website SkiingtheBackcountry.com is a leading source of information, resources, gear reviews, where to ski and all sorts of other stuff related to ski touring. My understanding is that it's based in Jackson Hole, but I don't even know who is behind it. It's a core site, and I was simply trying to share information, as I said before, about an activity that I love, to the people who are involved in the sport.

Is ski touring something that you care deeply about? If so, have you been to the site I was linking to? And if so, why would you care to remove it? And if you are not interested in ski touring, please leave the page alone. -MBailey

Cantinflas

Please stop removing information about Cantinflas personal life. He has relatives in Houston Texas and Miami, Florida. I would appreciate if you respect my family from removing this information from my uncle's page. Best regards, Carlo Moreno —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjmoreno79 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The problem lies in the fact that the material is unreferenced. You may say that it is true - and it may well be true - but Wikipedia requires sources that can be verified by readers. If you can provide proof from reliable, verifiable sources, then it would help in allowing the material to remain. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

My word is more than facts cause that is my relative that Wikipedia is reporting. Like I mentioned before THE NAME AND IMAGE OF CANTINFLAS IS PROTECTED BY INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHTS LAWS, WHICH WE HAVE RIGHTS TO AND NO ONE ELSE. If you don't comply I will ask to have my relative's information deleted from this website.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjmoreno79 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Jon Gettman

Hiya. Earlier today you removed all information from the Jon Gettman article sourced by ProCon.org (without giving a reason). While it is not the best source, and I did find replacements, I would like to know why you did that, so I can avoid repeating whatever error I made in the future.

Also, one replacement source I found is Gettman's personal resume, which is especially useful as it is the only page where I have found his birth date.[1] It is apparently hosted on a lawyer's website who has worked with Gettman.[2] Is this a reliable source?

Thanks, Mnation2 (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Your attempts to hide the notable and controversial use of GMC Yukon by self-described "environmentalists"

Please stop deleting properly referenced information on the use of the GMC Yukon by self-described "environmentalist" politicians such as Congressman David Wu. Whether an individual editor likes it or not, the particular automobile model is an integral part of this developing story. Maybe you're unaware that this story is in dozens of newspapers around the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.199.178 (talk) 13:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you are the one who needs to stop your repeated efforts to add Wu-related material to articles where it does not belong. The class' of vehicle is relevant, but the make is completely irrelevant to the story, as evidenced by the news article you've linked to. (In the Times article, "SUV" is mentioned four times, in the headline and the first, third and ninth paragraphs, whereas "Yukon" is only a passing mention in paragraph seven.) Note that your terminology ("self-described "environmentalists") strongly suggests a POV on your part, one that cannot form a part of an article. --Ckatz^chat_spy 14:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You're being ridiculous. You apparently believe that no one beside me reads the news and believes the matter to be notable, which is not a reasonable assumption since I copied most of the new section from another article (David Wu) on the day I heard this on the news. The term "self-described environmentalist" is not offensive. It was the most neutral accurate term I could think of. If you believe "self-described environmentalist" in an unacceptable term, why not just replace it with a term you like better? Instead you pretend the term is "vandalism" and necessitates semiprotecting the article. The fact is that two or three or four users apparently agree that this matter is appropriate for this article and you are abusing your administrator authority by calling it "vandalism" (which it is not), refusing to explain yourself (though explicitly asked to do so), and personally semiprotecting the article despite your obvious conflict of interest.

Per [3], since you are apparently "the protecting admin" I'll state this explicitly to you first: Please unprotect Chevrolet Tahoe. --24.187.199.178 (talk) 19:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Incidentally, I could add another 50 or 100 articles about the incident which have since been published. It's ignorant to challenge the matter's worthiness to be included. --24.187.199.178 (talk) 19:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to open discussion regarding the matter on the article's talk page. However, I would point out that you are making several presumptions in your statements that are not grounded in fact. First and foremost, please do not presume that anyone who does not embrace your perspective on the matter is trying to cover something up, or that they hold an opposing view with regards to Wu. Simply put, an article was being repeatedly changed by IPs whose edits served only to further one and the same purpose, that is to add material only tangentially related to the subject of the article. Secondly, note that no-one is "challenging the matter's worthiness to be included" in the Wu article, where it belongs. However, the focus of the controversy is not that Wu specifically drives a Yukon, but that he drives a SUV when making statements about environmental issues. The make of the SUV does not matter; for that matter, the fact he drives an SUV is irrelevant to the article about SUVs, and as such we don't add details on Wu to that article either. Beyond that, you were repeatedly adding the material despite being advised it was not appropriate to this article, a pattern that was proving disruptive to the article. Hence, semi-protection. If you can achieve consensus to add the material here, it can certainly return - but keep in mind that you would have to convince others that this abstract reference to a Yukon is more relevant than any other cultural reference to it. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You're being hypocritical.

I'm the one who has been writing at the article's discussion page. You're ignoring others' request to do that.

You've accused me of "vandalism" when you and I know well that there was no vandalism. Your baseless accusations seem far worse than my innocent use of the term "self-described environmentalist".

I haven't previously accused you or anyone of a "cover up" in this controversy. The act of "hiding" connotes results rather than motives, whereas "cover up" connotes motives. Maybe you do have motives; that would explain certain things, but I'm not making that accusation. Throwing baseless accusations is a sign of intellectual dishonesty.

I'd agree that the make (GM) is of lesser importance than the model (Yukon), since GM makes many vehicles that do conform to David Wu's advocacy of what Americans should be allowed to drive. You are lyingly stating that I've argued to include the make when I believe readers benefit much more from learning the exact model. Without knowing the model, how could a reader compare its statistics with those Wu has voted for or against?

Another lie: I have not been "repeatedly adding the material". I added it the first time, and restored it once. Your accusations would be more persuasive if they weren't based on lies. --24.187.199.178 (talk) 21:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

If you have concerns, discuss them on the article's talk page, so that all editors can participate. As for your actions, I must say that your decision to go through my recent contributions and look for problems with them is an interesting course of action. It may not, however, help you in your desire to appear innocent in all of this. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You're paranoid, and you're continuing to pretend that I haven't done what I already had and have done what I haven't. You're a bad admin. By the way, what is your studied alternative to the term you claim is unacceptable: "self-described environmentalist"? If you haven't come up with one by now, it's clear you "blurted" an empty excuse of a criticism. --24.187.199.178 (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Remote goat

Hi. I see you've been deleting lots of links to Remote Goat reviews. I'm sure that some of these deletions were justified, but I think some of them might not be. If I explain how the site works, perhaps you'd let me know whether you'd still consider them all to be spam/inappropriate links.

Remote Goat is a bit like IMDb in that any visitor to the site can create an account and post a review of an event. Unquestionably, I think such reviews should be deleted as self-published/personal reviews. However, there are also "official Remote Goat" reviews which are submitted by an official reviewer and edited by he Remote Goat staff before publication. You can tell these reviews from the personal reviews because the review says "by X for remotegoat". Compare this "official" review [4] with this personal one [5].

I know remotegoat is not well known, but there are so few sites that review theatre productions, particularly fringe/amateur/local, theatre that it would be a shame to lose this resource which, for the official reviews at least, appears to me to meet the requirements for being a reliable source.

Let me know what you think. GDallimore (Talk) 09:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I have restored some of the links that you removed, confirming theatre listings and officially published theatre reviews for which there is no reason to doubt the accuracy of the source and no other source available. GDallimore (Talk) 15:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Apology for misuse of External Links sections

I'd like to apologize for my misuse of Wikipedia's External Links sections and my ignorance of the guidelines for including them. I am a student who was hired part time to assist in generating traffic for a publication by distributing their articles to related forums, blogs, and interested parties, and in my efforts I did include relevant links in the External Links sections of relevant Wiki articles. Please be assured that my intention was not to spam or disrupt Wikipedia at all--I love Wikipedia, and I experience and hate spam like any avid Internet user--but to provide interested parties visiting those Wikipedia articles to related quality extra reading or watching material. But after receiving your message and reviewing the Guidelines I understand what I've done was a violation thereof and I will cease immediately. As far as I know, the warning this IP address received should have been the work of only one person (me), so any additional suspicious activity is not the work of my department or publication, and because I am on my university's network, blocking this IP would likely affect many innocent people. Again, I'm very sorry for any trouble I might have caused you or Wikipedia's community in general, and I will cease immediately and let my supervisors know about Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you! -SN

128.197.210.89 (talk) 18:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Redirects

As the admin that insists on a full discussion on the future of the Dog sex article, when will you 'feel' that the discussion is complete? I do not want to revert your over-zealous reverts for fear of starting yet another edit war with you. So far I have noted that you, yourself, have not chimed in on the merits of Dog sex, so assume you are abstaining. As it has now been discussed for little less than a month, with several editors giving either implicit or explicit support for Dog sex, I think you are in the wrong and that it will be a disambig page. But, again, I am waiting for you to stay your hand so as to be prepared that you will not revert future contributions. Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 21:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI, it's not an article, it's a redirect page that you've proposed for conversion to a disambiguation page. So far, the serious arguments seem to lean toward keeping the redirect; the 24.* IP is just a disgruntled IP that is hounding my edits, and another editor has already commented that the entries you've proposed aren't especially necessary. Myself, I don't care either way what the page is, as long as proper procedure is followed. That is why I'm acting in an administrative role there, rather than as an editor with a particular preference. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I assumed Dog sex was an article because the first little tab on the left says article and not redirect page. Maybe it is all sementics, but i believe that currently Dog sex is an article that is currently a redirect, but will soon be a disambig. Regardless, it is still and article and unless Dog sex is completely deleted it will remain an article. Regardless of your problems with 24*, he does support the change and i believe he has come to his colclusion based upon good reasoning. There are other editors who edited [[Dog sex] before it was reverted by you, thereby giving their implecit agreement that the disambig page was valid. the Cp user also admits that: "I didn't even think of dogging but that is another one that I would also imagine people would be looking for if people are trying to reach an article entitled "dog sex"" So he admits that people who are looking for dogging might type in dog sex. I am bascially looking out for the type of people that hear about dogging, or zoophilia, etc., and don't have all the facts so they come to wikipedia looking for information on dogging or sex with dogs. They are unlikely to type in dog sex to figure out how dogs have sex with eachother. But the glrious thing about disabmigauous page is that they will also find the information about Canine reproduction along with information about dogging and bestiality. It is for the ever-growing number of people who turn to wikipedia as their first source of information that I am concerend about, not people who know EXACTLY what it is they want to look at, but those who might overhear about dogging on the bus, and come to wikipedia with a degraded memory of the actual term for the thing. Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 21:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, Ckatz, we're all lawyers picking at the exact name of a Wikipedia entry. Well, if we're lawyers then forgive us for looking at the evidence (...does so and returns...). No, Ckatz claims are unsupported by the evidence. She is the only editor who advocates reverting to a redirect. Ckatz has insisted on doing so following at least five editors who have moved to reinstate or improve the disambiguation page. No one but Ckatz has advocated a redirect. [6][7][8][9][10][11][12]. --24.187.199.178 (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Most if not all the editors are newer editors with not that many contributions. I personally agree with the redirect design, no one's going to look up "Dog sex" to find a professor.Abce2|This isnot a test 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a meritocracy, the number of edits a user has should not trump the points they bring. Further, you point to the fact that "no one" (over generalization) would use Dog sex to find a professor, maybe so. But, you'll have a hard time conviencing most people that Dog sex is a rational mishearing of doggy style, dogging, or bestiality, and people might try to find information on the SEXUAL position of Doggy Style by looking up dog sex. You have taken the weakest example on the Dog sex disambig as an argument. I think that's refered to as a straw man.Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 23:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean that way. I meant that users that have been here longer and edit regularly tend to know policy. Also, may they search, "dog sex postion", but feel free to criticize me all you want.Abce2|This isnot a test 23:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, I wasn't refering too you.Abce2|This isnot a test 23:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

External links removal

Hello Ckatz, I'm finally writing you to explain my latest activities. If possible, I beg you to not remove my external links: I'm not spamming at all, nor promoting or advertising, just putting appropriate sources of information related to those Wikipedia enties. If it is a matter of guidelines, I'll be going further into that, thank you. Matmi (talk) 08:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

[13]. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Why my article RenderX has been deleted? It had enough references showing the importance of the subject. Siringa (talk) 07:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Scrubs: Janitor's name

Hi, you removed an edit regarding "Janitor's" name on the Scrubs TV series entry. You stated "no implying, speculation, guessing, etc" as the reason. The word imply does not mean speculating or guessing. It means "To express or indicate indirectly". The edit I made was part of the joke when Neil Flynn's character reveals his "fake" name to Zach Braff's character J.D. which everyone leaves out of the article. The Janitor in fact never reveals his true name and is known to be a consistent liar, especially to J.D. This is not speculation, the "extra" that calls him Tony "implies" this fact and it is not speculation or guessing, as you cite in your reason for removing my edit.

My edit: As J.D. walks away, an orderly (played by an extra) passes and exclaims, "Hey Tony!", implying "Janitor" was lying to J.D about his true identity.

This is an integral part of the character "revealing" his name to J.D. and therefore is not speculation or guessing. The current information about Janitor revealing his name to J.D. shouldn't even be in the article (if the article isn't amended) as it is misleading information (a lie from Janitor). It makes people think the character's name IS in fact Glenn Matthews unless you've actually seen the final episode, which until the DVD comes out, not everybody has. DLake31565 11:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)