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==About bots and categories - clarify request==
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I brought this up at [[wp:ani]] but it's not that relevant. (Fine details of sort are important, but not my main point, I think we can live with any alphabetical ordering - especially when cat contents tend to group similar items anyway..). The issue is that your bot (and others?) appears to be acting only on recent or new pages (based on experience). It would be reassuring to know that this bot or another bot is applying the changes systematically starting at [[Aardvark]] and working up to [[Xylophone]]..

Does the bot do that ?, and if not can there be one please (I think I explained why at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Minor_technical_question]]). Just mark this section "done" if the issue is definately already addressed, and a solution exists and has been implemented. Thanks.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well - yes and no. I have a BRFA for diacritics in biographies, and I have done all those pages. I did have a plan to do exactly what you suggest - and not just for diacritics - and for the excellent reason that starting at Aardvark means not breaking any ordering as you go through (if I remember correctly) but there was one extremely vociferous critic that sapped the energy out of the whole thing - believe it or not you can't change a space on WP without ''someone'' objecting - possibly me! However: what would be possible, if a little hard, would be to do it on a category by category basis: automatically identifying categories where an "out of order" (lets call it an ''O3'') occurs and correcting all members. And of course setting default sorts for pages with diacritics only would also probably be acceptable. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC).
::ok thanks. I'll be back (or get Yobot to fix it) if a similar problem occurs; now I've mentioned the probably of that becomes infinitely unlikely. Problem not resolved, but probably solved.
::As for systematic bot A to Z diacritic work - maybe wait a bit and suggest again. I can supply +1 !vote.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 17:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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==Italic titles==
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Back in July you were a model of efficiency using AWB to strip out {{tl|Italic title}}. Just curious - not to seem demanding, I hope - would your technical abilities and/or old-school industry be sufficient to the job of restoring those templates where removed, in the wake of [[Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment:Use_of_italics_in_article_titles|this discussion]]? [[User:Wareh|Wareh]] ([[User talk:Wareh|talk]]) 01:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Was it as recently as July? And I can't remember being very thorough about it although I try.
:Not to restore, specifically (although it wouldn't be that hard), but to install for, for example, all ships, novels or whatever the consensus is.
:Incidentally it would have been good to have been involved in the discussion - you may have missed that I was replacing or proposing, at one point (maybe back in 2009), more specific templates - I forget the names but effectively {{Tl|Novel title}} or similar. This allows policy to flip-flop without having to edit a zillion articles. I was also installing "Italic title" (I proposed a specific name for that I think) on taxon pages, the temptation of projects to build the formatting into infoboxes is very large - I see the ships are going down that channel? - but misguided because 1. not all articles will have the infobox 2. it then becomes very difficult to use the infobox without italics 3. it is not clear from the page source how an "effect" is achieved - newbarrier. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Topic specific templates also allow automatic processing of standard exceptions for example "HMS ''Midgard''" instead of "''HMS Midgard''" if that is needed. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::The connection to you only just occurred to me as I manually changed a couple of articles on books whose italic titles you had removed. I'm sorry if this news of the discussions was not timely (and I did in fact know nothing about your previous template proposals), but I hope even this belated information about the change in policy may be useful in the hands of someone who clearly knows a lot about templates, automatic processes, etc. I take it you are suggesting that {{tl|Italic title}} could perhaps be routinely added according to ''categories'', e.g. [[:Category:Books by date]]. The problem is that even "books" is too narrow: [[:Category:Works by author]] and [[:Category:Works by date]] are really only ''slightly'' too broad, but they include a lot of non-"books" (by WP category) whose titles should be italicized in running text. Most everything in [[:Category:Ancient Greek works by author]] and [[:Category:Philosophical works by author]] (areas near and dear to me) should be italicized, but I suspect many of them are not categorized as WP "books." So, if more specific templates were to be developed, I'd suggest that {{tl|Novel title}} is way too narrow: even {{tl|Book title}} has coverage issues for the relevant range of works.

:::You've already lost me with some of the technical issues you raise, but book titles (more or less) are where I'd really love to see automated changes in equal or greater volume to the previous italic-removals. Do you see a good chance of achieving that?

:::Here's what may be the most practical idea I can come up with. If the article title appears in the lead <nowiki>'''''Like this'''''</nowiki>, isn't that the best criterion for applying {{tl|Italic title}} (or DISPLAYTITLE for longer titles that break that template)? This seems to me to apply ''perfectly'' the new policy at [[WP:AT]], which is simply, "Use italics when italics would be used in running text."

:::If you think that's a useful avenue, perhaps you can take it to [[WP:AT]] or the appropriate technical forum where such things get implemented? Or I can at your suggestion: but I am very inexperienced on the technical side. [[User:Wareh|Wareh]] ([[User talk:Wareh|talk]]) 15:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::* No criticism was intended. Yes I miss lots of discussions, and end up "sighing" some of the time - but I really couldn't keep up with them all anyway - this one seems to have come to an acceptable conclusion, although I'm not ''sure'' I agree with it, I have always found this issue tricky, and, of course non-critical (unlike invisible capitals in template names <joke />).
::::* The ' ' ' ' ' idea is great - cuts to the chase - in would include ' ' too, since that probably means that the bolding was forgotten.
::::* It would probably be suitable for a [[WP:BRFA]] - I have a bit of a backlog there right now.
::::''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

:::::I'm glad that sounds useful--it really only occurred to me in the course of replying to you here. So does "backlog" mean you think you'll pursue that eventually, or would it make more sense for me to go to somewhere like [[WP:BOTREQ]], and if so, with or without stopping by [[Wikipedia talk:Article titles]] first? (The policy at [[WP:AT]] is plain enough, but I don't want to step on any toes in initiating action on that scale.) Sorry if this is asking for too much hand-holding, but I'm only slowly learning the ropes of all this behind-the-scenes work. [[User:Wareh|Wareh]] ([[User talk:Wareh|talk]]) 15:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::No it's fine, I'll get a BRFA in presently. I'm just trying to streamline the way I deal with it - although the average response time of the BAG is long. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::::::I'll drop you a note when it's there, and you can mention it at other venues to gain input. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::::::Thanks. You are a true Wikipedia public servant! [[User:Wareh|Wareh]] ([[User talk:Wareh|talk]]) 13:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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==Railway==
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Hi, did you correct those Burmese infobox errors afterwards? Can you move all of the Gare de... in [[:Category:Railway stations in France]] categories to ...... railway station. There is consensus to do so at [[WP:Trains]]. They should be in english.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 12:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

E.g [[Gare de Colmar]] should be [[Colmar railway station]].♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 12:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:See [[#Burma]] .. let me know. Yes that's not hard, when I get back about 5pm I'll get on to it.
:: [[:category:Paris Métro]] should not be a sub cat of Paris railway stations as this puts rolling stock into a station category. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 13:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
[[Image:Train wreck at Montparnasse 1895.jpg|250px|thumb|Gare Aero d'Montparnasse]]
OK Gare de, Gare du and Gare d' I take it are fine to move, how about:
*[[Gare Maritime de Cherbourg]] {{Done}}
*[[Gare Maritime de Dieppe]] {{Done}}
*[[Gare Montparnasse]]
*[[Gare RER de Saint Germain-en-Laye]]
*[[Gare Saint-Lazare]]
*[[Gare TGV Haute-Picardie]]
? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 13:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

Mmm I'd go with:

*Gare Maritime de Cherbourg = [[Cherbourg Maritime railway station]]
*[[Gare Maritime de Dieppe]] = [[Dieppe Maritime railway station]]
List [[User:Rich Farmbrough/temp98|here]]. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

::Hang on a moment - I'm new to this but can't find the consensus for change described above. (Yes I tend to favour the ''Gare de ..'' title obviously.)
::Don't look at [[:Category:Railway stations in Germany]] either :) . Lot's of stuff like [[Mannheim Hauptbahnhof]].
::Particularly there is an objection to things like [[Gare d'Avignon TGV]] are in fairly common use in English, as are others. I'm worried that if you bot this it will make a mess eg consider [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8353277.stm Gare du Nord].[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 18:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Look on the talk page - specifically Manheim Hauptbahnhof and Gare du Nord are mentioned as exceptions. I don't think even if I was "botting it" I could affect the BBC pages... Or perhaps you mean the content of pages? There is no intent to do a search and replace (As far as I know.) ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::::Yes funny - I linked to the BBC to show an example of common usage.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 18:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::I'd also suggest (can that be ''demand'') that the ones moved be moved back. This [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Railway_stations]] discussion hasn't really established a consensus for such a big change. Also despite being an English word too, I don't feel that 'maritime' is the correct English translation, possibly 'marine' is better, but fundamentally its usage is specific to the name - a literal translation probably won't make much sense. Although not English the French names satisfy [[Wikipedia:Article_titles#Deciding_an_article_title]], especially recognisability. This definitely seems to have been an error in your judgement in honesty.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 18:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Of course you can Revert (using "undo" - not roll-back if you have that) - then go and Discuss - its part of the BRD cycle, although with a month elapsed form the discussion, it's not that bold. Just drop me a note to let me know which bits if any you revert - or if you wish discuss then revert if necessary. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::I might have but as I'm not objecting to the other changes they exceptions with "Maritime" would seem out of place. There seems to be a few examples in english of the usage that's been proposed/changed ("xxx maritime station"), I'm not sure if "xxx harbour station" or "xxx port station" is better or worse. Must do more research before acting.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 19:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Note''' Just to make it clear - I've changed my position (on naming) from object to neutral - you can ignore the above.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 19:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC) (Thanks for the note: RF.)
Will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

===More===
Anyway far be it for me to stand in the way of progress - if the station name is simply "gare de xxx" then I don't object to "xxx station" etc. I'm not sure about the ones with "maritime" in.

'''However''' you did get the capitalisation wrong, its <u>r</u>ailway <u>s</u>tation (lower case) eg [[King's Cross station]]. (ok so some USA stations use ''Railroad Station'' with caps, but that's for another day). [[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 18:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:Yes that is what was suggested, and normally I love WP's "down" style, and regularly take Dr Blofeld out the back and threaten him with his own sharks for using capitals in things like "Splurgle District". However thinking about it for a moment will reveal that it is not that simple. If the name is "Gare d'" then Station is part of the name. Though I argue elsewhere that, for example Kingston University is also Kingston university, so "downing" is a fairly safe operation, where as "upping" is not (Manchester universities <> Manchester Universities for example), in this case I think the cap is justified. I am open to persuasion however, more: if you can get consensus from WP T on either style I will go with that quite happily . I would indeed ''personally'' prefer just "Station" or "station", since to my ear "Railway" is the default. Other varieties of English, however, may vary. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::[[:Category:Railway stations in Belgium]] could be an example of precedence - 1/2 of it speaks French of a sort (or maybe that's wrong too). As an additional capitalisation of ''gare'' is not always done (except at the beginning of a sentence) eg [http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/01/09/1381197_la-gare-de-caen-renovee.html] [http://regionsdemocrates.fr/2010/02/15/regionales-le-modem-bas-normand-bloque-en-gare-de-caen-ouest-france/], also http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=+site:www.lemonde.fr+le+monde+gare [[Le Monde]] uses lower case if not leading a sentence. eg [http://www.lemonde.fr/a-la-une/video/2007/03/28/affrontements-a-la-gare-du-nord_888738_3208.html] No idea what the official French ministry of spelling and culture position is on this controversy.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 19:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That's interesting. I am, sadly, an expert in neither Walloon (as I remarked earlier today, funnily enough) or railway stations, although there is a fascination about abandoned underground stations that probably speaks to either a deep character flaw, or to much "Quatermass" as a child. (Hobbs End I think? OR was that the good Doctor?) The place for discussion is is most likely the WikiProject. You can cut and paste this wholesale if you wish. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::Or maybe I should take your opinion, my doubts, and the talk page suggestion as consensus for lower case? IDK. I'l think on't. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::::I've left a note at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Capitalisation_of_french_railway_stations]] and on Blofeld's page too. I can let you know (though I've suggested others post here since I'm fairly certain this is a non-controversial thing already decided). I can let you know. <small>the reason I'm hassling you about this is because I'm under the impression that you have 'thousands' of station articles to name change..? maybe that's not the case</small>[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 19:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. It's about 400 - see the list I mentioned. I was planning on creating redirects ''to'' the Gare du Nord articles - an of course anyone could move back specific items. Oh and yes, re: Le Monde, French capitalisation differs from ours for proper nouns (e.g. [[Académie française]]) but that's about as far as my knowledge takes me. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
There seemed to be no objection to moving the pages to lower casing e.g Rouen railway station. These really should be moved as Gare means nothing to most non French speakers. I personally prefer the Railway Station capitalised but consensus at WP:Trains seems to be lower casing. "railway" station is necessary as "station could refer to bus station, tram/cable car station or even a scientific research station.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 20:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notes, will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
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==Printworthy==
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It occurs to me that any redirect that is categorised ([[Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects]]) excluding those which only have categories which are subcats of [[:Category:Wikipedia redirects]] should always be printworthy redirects ([[Template:R printworthy]])..

Any chance of a bot for that?? [[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 14:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC):
:Yes, but probably better to either ensure [[:Category:Unprintworthy redirects]] is in the appropriate redirect templates, and the rest would be printworthy by default? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 14:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Maybe - in an earlier life I might have created various unprintable redirects (spelling and caps variations) that I haven't got on a watchlist and don't remember.. I haven't done that for years since I learnt better.
::Following on with the logic - a bot could "printworthy" all mainspace categorised redirects, and "not-printworthy" all other redirects not already having "printworthy". A few printworthy redirects might get missed but that's a user problem.. The final sauce would be to have a bot to tag "printworthy" any "unprintworthy" redirects if they are subsequently categorised in the 'mainspace'.
::That would categorise all redirects, with only minor printworthy omissions - the omissions could be manually caught by categorising with "bot categorised unprintworthy" - giving a much more easily human-checked list of possible bot errors. Once done maintenance should be minimal.. Hope springs eternal.[[User:Sf5xeplus|Sf5xeplus]] ([[User talk:Sf5xeplus|talk]]) 14:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes I think there is something to that. I just changed [[20th Century Masters: The Millennium Collection: The Best of Rob Zombie]] to unprintworthy, it was the second one I looked at - and quite bottable. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 14:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
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==Hyphenating adjectival use of units==
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Hi, Just a suggestion that this could be done using the -adj switch in the [[Template:Convert#Parameters|Convert template]]. [[User:Cavrdg|Cavrdg]] ([[User talk:Cavrdg|talk]]) 07:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:Echoing what Cavrdg said, and also noting that per [[WP:MOSNUM]] and the Convert template, the parenthetical item does ''not'' take a hyphen. But for example, for your edit at [[Interstate 185 (Georgia)]], instead of
::<code>49.30-mile (79.34-km)</code>
:you could have typed
::<code><nowiki>{{convert|49.30|mi|km|adj=on}}</nowiki></code>
:which would have produced the output
::{{convert|49.30|mi|km|adj=on}}
:Not only would this make things easier for you, but it would also make everything flow better within the current MOS and any future changes via the template. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 13:23, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes it's certainly an idea. I have mentioned at Mosnum. By the way I (any TP stalkers) improved pixiedust and will now be using it a lot.
::{{Pixiedust|The convert template}}
::''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 13:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

In thr last couple of days you seem to have resumed using your main account for automated editing. Please stop, get approval for this process and use a separate account for this. Thanks &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is not the ''speed'' of the editing which identifies them as bot-like, but the ''scale'' of the task. You were blocked for performing non-approved bot tasks on your main account, and you are still continuing to do so. This will likely lead to another block of your main account. Will you please stop and go to [[WP:BRFA|BRFA]]? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::Have you visited BRFA recently? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
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==SmackBot duplicate tags feature request==
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Sorry if this is not the place to leave this, but this is mostly a feature request I think. In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seduction_lair&diff=next&oldid=385098505 this] diff, it would be nice if SmackBot would notice that there are duplicate tags and remove the duplicated tags. Would this be easy to implement? [[User:Devourer09|<span style="color:#CC2200">Devourer09</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Devourer09|<span style="color:#CC2200">t</span>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Devourer09|<span style="color:#CC2200">c</span>]]) 16:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how hard it would be, it depends on scope, I suspect that the main difficulty would be dividing the list up into remove and don't remove, dfor example, multiple Expand section, or multiple Citation needed tags are legitimate (but not adjoining). Simpler might be to limit it to tag [[knots (papermaking)|knots]], in which case it would be fairly easy. I'll submit a BRFA. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::BRFA submitted and in trial. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC).<br />


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==[[Aberdaron]]==

Hi, the only obstacle stopping this current GA candidate from GA i think is the references. But isn't there a bot which can fill out the references with cite web |url|title=|publisher=|accessdate=? If so can you arrange it to sort out the references?♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 11:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you reply? I could have sworn there was a reference bot.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 18:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I started off naming all the reference tags. I am now forbidden to finish that task. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC).<br />


==At-risk BLPs==
Hey, very good work, how did you generate that list?--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales|talk]]) 14:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you. I used the marvellous [[WP:AWB]] to generate a list of articles that contained risk-words, then wrote a little concordance type application to produce the report. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 14:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC).<br />

==DNB==
I've left a comment at [[WT:WP DNB#Bot_building]] about the new Magnus Manske tool in the area (Magnus put it together in a couple of hours after the meetup). I've never been exactly sure about the merits of importing text from Wikisource other than in an article: but I think the merits would be improved by a number of possible "added value" steps. One of those would be to take into account the output of this tool, and only import articles for the project to work on which come up as "none found" with that matching tool. I.e. remove or sort according to what the tool finds, which can be (a) no match, (b) very plausible match, (c) inconclusive run with numerous candidates none of which is a great fit, (d) > 50 hits. There is actually a good argument for first doing that sorting into four. The case (d) is one either for human intervention, or for another layer of matching attempt. Case (b) is the sort of stuff I'm going by hand, and invites work expanding stubs and adding the ext lk back. So anyway case (a) is the most fruitful at this point for an import.

And what else? Imported text should be topped-and-tailed in some way to make it more useful (will need a lead section, should finish with reference using {{tl|cite DNB}} and attribution using {{tl|DNB}}, both filled in with wstitle=[name as on WS, no suffix]). There is actually a lot of scope for stripping out parts of the article too: certainly the [references at end in small] sections, and with more intelligence much of the inline refs between parentheses. NB the use of small caps within parentheses for author names, which should be a clue.

[[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 13:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)




==Risk list bot==

I would love to see the BLP risk list turned into an ongoing bot. We could manage it as an ongoing queue by having the bot keep all the previous hits with context in a local file or DB on the backend.

For example:

* [[Bob Smithinson]]: accused of an '''affair''' with his

After this hit, "riskbot" would keep this in a local file or db, and then would filter it out of subsequent runs, context included. That way if the affair gets added back in with slightly different context, we'd get another warning. It would take all the "new hits" and append them on the bottom of the running queue page. As people check the hits, they'd remove them from the page. It's O(n^2) on the number of hits, but scrubbing one set of lines with another is pretty inexpensive, since it's just simple equality. Let me know what you think. [[User:Gigs|Gigs]] ([[User talk:Gigs|talk]]) 01:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's worth doing I think. The time consuming part at the moment is actually accessing all the articles, thought they are mostly small. There's ways to optiminze this away however. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 01:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC).<br />


==big Oops - would you please correct?==

There were two articles entitled "The White Company". I was attempting to change the title to the first "[[The White Company]]" to "[[The White Company, The Novel]] - and the second article with same name to: "[[The White Company (The Medieval Mercenaries)]]. I failed and my attempts to correct failed. Can you please correct. All criticism accepted - am deeply sorrow - will not attempt again until I am fully versed in how to do it, etc., etc., etc. Thanks. [[User:Mugginsx|Mugginsx]] ([[User talk:Mugginsx|talk]]) 20:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:No problems ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::The only people who don't make mistakes don't make anything. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::You are very gracious to say that. Thanks again [[User:Mugginsx|Mugginsx]] ([[User talk:Mugginsx|talk]]) 20:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


==SmackBot - replacing _ in C type names==

I noticed that smackbot is replacing <tt>_</tt> characters in C typenames like [[size_t]]. It most recently did this in [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Offsetof&diff=393937016&oldid=391215149 offsetof] and I see that you fixed one of the changes. I wonder if a rule to exclude titles that match <tt>/.*_t$/</tt> would be sufficient to avoid these pages. -- [[User:Autopilot|Autopilot]] ([[User talk:Autopilot|talk]]) 12:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:I asked some time ago for an AWB feature, for Mod_perl etc, I'm pretty sure it was implemented, so should be extendable (extensible?) to type-names. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Bug raised. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 21:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC).<br />





==March NNN==

Hi Rich. Can you please apply special scrutiny when delinking "March NNN", as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferrari_F1/87&diff=394169692&oldid=390604608 here]. Most instances of "March NNN" are likely to be racing car designations, not date fragments. Thanks. [[User:DH85868993|DH85868993]] ([[User talk:DH85868993|talk]]) 21:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks I skipped a lot of those, but I'll try to avoid any more. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 21:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC).
::Thanks. [[User:DH85868993|DH85868993]] ([[User talk:DH85868993|talk]]) 22:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ok now skip all of these, seems pragmatically sound. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
Note this and march 1968 on dating page... ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC).<br />



==Persondata==

I have to admit I personally dont care where it goes but since it really doesnt affect the article and is usually not even displayed I admit there is a lot of logic ot your idea of putting at the end. Its really not a part of the article anyway other than to gather basic data about the articles for different reasons. What is the Person authority, Im not familiar with that one. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
:So is that a template we should be adding as well? If so whats the template I would like to see it. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. So is this template to allow those databases to draw data from WP or to link us to them? Does it have to be a government controlled source or would any website using a control number qualify (like Find a Grave, Hall of Valor, IMDB to name a few)? --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Your absolutely right about the Persondata. I can see uses coming out of it but until we have the majority of articles tagged rather than a minority it really is useless. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Were definately making a dent, but with roughly only half done we still have a ways to go before useful becomes reliable I think. BTW, good luck selling this, folks in these parts dont cotton ta change much, they like things nice and quite like. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Quick yeah me too...its seems that we wiki-ites have become victims of our own democratic process....wheres a good monarchy when you need one. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 02:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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==[[Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Authentical plugin?]]==

Yes, it is still there. I suggest we continue this on our talk pages(or you can add me in Runescape, as i also seen you on the rswiki) so do you know what to do to fix it?[[User:Joeytje50|Joeytje50]] ([[User talk:Joeytje50|talk]]) 20:39, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, i am on the list, as the error for Joeytje50(not on list) is "Joeytje50 is not enabled to do this" while the error for Bot50(on list) gets the error "The password you provided is incorrect. (an authentication plugin rather than MediaWiki itself rejected the password)" And i asked Cook Me Plox, and i talked about it on the irc, and he doesn't know what the problem is.[[User:Joeytje50|Joeytje50]] ([[User talk:Joeytje50|talk]]) 20:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)




==Talkback: [[Template_talk:Citation_needed#Reinserting_Merge_discussion_template|Template:Citation needed]]==

{{Talkback|Template talk:Citation needed|Reinserting_Merge_discussion_template|20:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)}} — '''[[User:SpikeToronto|<font color="#DC143C" face="Garamond" size="3">Spike</font>]][[User talk:SpikeToronto|<font color="#000000" face="Garamond" size="3">Toronto</font>]]''' 20:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


==DYK for Janet Bragg==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#7 November 2010|7 November 2010]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Janet Bragg]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that [[aviator]] '''[[Janet Bragg]]''' was the first [[African-American]] woman to hold a [[Commercial Pilot Licence]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201011/Janet_Bragg quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
}} -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 12:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


==Bibliographies==

This is just a personal opinion, mind you. Like I said, I am, rather slowly, assembling bibliographies of the various geographical areas of the earth. As they would deal with things like the local flora, fauna, people, culture, and the like, they could also serve as the basis for things like, for instance, [[Bibliography of South American military history]], which would be a selection of books about the military history of that area drawn from the bibliographies of the main states/regions themselves.

That will not however include such things as the sciences, or philosophy, or the major religions, and certainly not off-world topics like astronomy. They would probably need to be created entirely separately.

My own basic choice would be to myabe have others create bibliographies for the sciences, business, and other topics that don't have clear geographic ties.

I would think the items to be included would best include separate books/works on the topic that have been reviewed by academic journals and other reputable specialist magazines, and/or included in books or articles of bibliography of that topic.

There are obviously questions regarding how long to make these bibliographies, and that's a separate matter entirely. The bibliography of physics, like the bibliography of Christianity, would be potentially endless. For such broad topics, maybe the best way to proceed would be to look at the various extant reference works, like encyclopedias, that deal with the topics, and to start include only those works which are included in the bibliographies of the articles in those encyclopedias. That would be a start, anyway. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The bibliography of physics should probably include some well known wide ranging texts, ''Weidner and Sells'', ''Richards, Wier, Zehrs and Zemansky'' I think are two, the ''vade meca'' of various fields, seminal works, and key references (''Handbook of Physical Data''?) and cross references to detailed, bibliographies of mechanics, relativity, gravitation, string theory, etc... ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 12:57, 9 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==Up-to-date list to bypass redirects to banners?==

Where to do I find it? -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 12:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hhm time for a new one. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 12:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::[[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 17]] -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Any list? -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 00:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the list. Great job on that BTW. I did notice a couple things that I wanted to mention though.
:#There are a few projects that are missing redirects as well as some projects missing (such as trains, LGBT studies, MILHIST and Biography)
:#There are a few projects that you are changing to redirects (I dont think we should be changing to redirects except maybe for MILHIST, Biography and the like since they dont have to same nameing convention)
:#I recommend setting them as minor edits. Personally I would rather just make the change and be done but I think that a lot of folks are going to kick up afuss if we do these relatively minro edits without doing something more significant at the same time.
:#I think we should setup a collaboration somewhere (maybe where its at now, not sure) so that we can all work on getting the whole list of projects with redirects. Its a huge undertaking and theres no reason why we shouldnt all share in the pain of building the list. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 14:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
{{od}}
Rich. In addition to there being no mention of WPBiography and WPMILHIST in the lists here are some of the things I noticed on the list that I think should be changed:
I changed these (and some others) to point to the correct project page rather than a redirect
#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+Wikipedia[ _]+Saves[ _]+Public[ _]+Art|WikiProject[ _]+WSPA|) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject Wikipedia Saves Public Art$2</nowiki>

#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+WikiProject[ _]+University[ _]+of[ _]+Arkansas|UARK) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject WikiProject University of Arkansas$2</nowiki>

#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+DC|WikiProject[ _]+District[ _]+Of[ _]+Columbia|WikiProject[ _]+District[ _]+of[ _]+Columbia|WikiProject[ _]+Washington,[ _]+D\.C\.|WPDC|WikiProject[ _]+Washington[ _]+DC|WikiProject[ _]+DC) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject District of ColumbiaC$2</nowiki>

I added to the list I have and I recommend adding them to you
#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+LGBT[ _]+studies|LGBTProject|LGBT Wikiproject|LGBTProject|WP LGBT|WPLGBT|WikiProject LGBT|WikiProject LGBT Studies) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject LGBT studies$2</nowiki>

#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+Trains|TrainsWikiProject|RAIL|RR|Rail|TRAINS|TWP|Trains|WikiProject Train|WikiProject trains|Wikiproject Trains|Wikiproject trains) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject Trains$2</nowiki>

#<nowiki>{{\s*(WikiProject[ _]+Dogs|DOGS|WPDOGS|Wikiproject Dogs|DOG) *([\|}\n])</nowiki>
#<nowiki>{{WikiProject Dogs$2</nowiki>--[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 01:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

==IPA dump search==

Hey Rich,

If you have the time, would you mind doing another search of the dump, as you did at [[User:Rich Farmbrough/temp14]]? I've run through that last list. (20 articles which I can't do on my own are all that's left.)

A couple things different this time: no article exclusions (I will simply have AWB ignore anything within templates, unless you can pre-parse those at your end), plus a couple extra characters we missed last time. (If you can search for pure diacritics, that would be even better; otherwise I've noticed some more common combos, such as β̞ i̯ u̯ e̯ o̯, plus another character, ‹ˁ› that is commonly mistaken for IPA ‹ˤ›.)

Thanks,
— [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 07:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
*What do you think of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=0&search=%CB%81&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns10=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search this]? I'll have a look at making this scan a regular thing. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

::Yeah, silly me. That worked fine. We missed β̞ last time, though, and if individual diacritics aren't possible, i̯ u̯ e̯ o̯ will probably turn up a good number of hits. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

::I'm doing my own search of the IPA ''letters'' (the first block in your search), so never mind about doing them again. However, AWB won't work w ˥ ˦ ˧ ˨ ˩ ꜛ ꜜ, which you included in that block last time. There are also a few new ones you didn't include and AWB wont' cover, if you can add them: ꜞꜝ ↗↘‖˕˔‿ and t͜ . Plus, of course, any diacritics, which AWB search doesn't handle well.

::Thanks!! — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 18:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


==SmackBot blanked a page by mistake==

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SmackBot messed up at [[Herbert Henry Dow High School]] -- blanked the page! --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 16:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks looks like an API/AWB bug that we get about every 200,000 edits, but maybe partly due to something I have just logged as a potential problem. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Also an AWB blanking at [[Bridgeton, New Jersey]], fyi. [[Special:Contributions/174.109.197.174|174.109.197.174]] ([[User talk:174.109.197.174|talk]]) 09:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:Need to check on AWB timestamp query which may relate to the first one. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==subpage [[User:Rich Farmbrough/temp17]]==

Your subpage [[User:Rich Farmbrough/temp17]] has a bunch of categories on it, or more accurately it is in a bunch of categories. I noticed because I was looking at the category for articles tagged for <nowiki>{{prose}}</nowiki> and it was in the oldest month. Did you want to change that to <nowiki>[[:category:...</nowiki> with the colon first so it is a link to the category or is it serving some purpose that didn't occur to me yet? [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 18:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:thanks for letting me know. It served its purpose (which was creating those categories in the first place I think), so I have deleted it. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 10:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==Small request==

Per your restrictions, would you please remove the capitalisation of {{tl|death date}} from your AWB rules. See an example [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Chester&diff=prev&oldid=396433956 here], and in future please take more care when using AWB to spot these yourself. I've tried running the normal AWB, and it doesn't appear to change the template when testing at [[Anne Brontë]]. Cheers, - [[User:Kingpin13|Kingpin]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kingpin13|13]]</sup> ([[User talk:Kingpin13|talk]]) 10:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:OK, I'll check it out. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 10:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:Yes this was one of the runs interrupted on the 24th September. So there may have been a few things still in rule-set. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Great, has this one been removed now? - [[User:Kingpin13|Kingpin]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kingpin13|13]]</sup> ([[User talk:Kingpin13|talk]]) 11:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes indeed. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::Brilliant, thanks - [[User:Kingpin13|Kingpin]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kingpin13|13]]</sup> ([[User talk:Kingpin13|talk]]) 11:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::I simply dumped all the useful but not essential rules. It means many more edits will happen, but I don't really have any control over that. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC).<br />



==SmackBot using wrong syntax for update after==

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Update after uses numeric dates, see [http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php?categories=ParserFunction_errors&templates_yes=update+after&doit=1] for your bot's errors. [[Special:Contributions/134.253.26.6|134.253.26.6]] ([[User talk:134.253.26.6|talk]]) 16:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, currently fixing. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:: And it continues [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=US_Helicopter&action=historysubmit&diff=397089053&oldid=388928716]. [[Special:Contributions/134.253.26.6|134.253.26.6]] ([[User talk:134.253.26.6|talk]]) 17:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

==SmackBot capitalising tags unecessarily==

some users have complained about smackbot captilising tags unecessary, you might want to check up the robot--[[User:Lerdthenerd|Lerdthenerd]] ([[User talk:Lerdthenerd|talk]]) 16:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes thanks I shut the bot down, but not fast enough. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==null edit==

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He Rich, did I see correctly Smackbot making a null-edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MyKad&action=historysubmit&diff=396935834&oldid=396934867 here]? No harm done, just harder for others to spot the changes made just before it... [[User:L.tak|L.tak]] ([[User talk:L.tak|talk]]) 16:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes thanks. It's unfortunate there are a couple of factors making this more likely than otherwise would be the case, firstly having had a mammoth backolog to deal with, and secondly tiem I had meant to spend last month on making the rule-set more unlikely to make such edits was wasted in other pursuits. Thanks again for letting me know. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==Smackbot blocked==

For making edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theobald_of_Bec&curid=153654&diff=396935220&oldid=396931219 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nelson_Mandela&diff=prev&oldid=396937462 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Claude_Criquielion&diff=prev&oldid=396937550 this]. You need to sort this out: it is a violation of your editing restrictions and cannot be ''that'' hard to make the bot respect them. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 16:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Well it is reasonably hard, however if I hadn't lost hundreds of hours of my life to ANI it would be a lot better. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::OK. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 17:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


==Bug==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belgacem_Bouguenna&diff=396923081&oldid=395300823 Please fix]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
[X] copied from [[User talk:SmackBot]] by <small>[[User:Femto Bot|Femto Bot]], (possibly the smallest bot in the world)</small> 17:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Done. TY. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==[[CFWE-FM]]==

Please do not use AWB on radio station articles. In categories they are listed alphabetically by call name, and the user who created them decided to sort them using all upper case letters. AWB "fixes" this by changing the letters following the first to lower case, but this causes a sorting error in the categories, which are case sensitive. Thanks, [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 18:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hm, that particular category has DEFAULTSORT that is not appropriate regardless of case, since dropping the C is only useful in certain categories (sub cats of Canadian radio stations I suppose). Although it may seem contrary to common sense I believe the approach at [[CBCX-FM]] is better. This explicitly states the non-intuitive sort. The reason for AWB fixing the DEFAULTSORTS is precisely to make them case insensitive, until such time as MediaWIki provides a better sort. There is a MediWiki bug that applies, but I can't remember the number. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::I realize that it doesn't follow policy/procedure, but for all the Canadian radio station categories to work, all the sorts have to be the same. I don't want to go through the hundreds changing them, do you? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 00:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::This is what I do. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::OK all done I think, but there are still anomalies, for example:
# CFOU-FM
# CFPP-FM
# VF8012
# CFTH-FM
# CFTX-FM
:::''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::Probably because it says <nowiki>[[Category:French-language radio stations in Quebec|French-language radio stations in Quebec]]</nowiki>, it should be categorized under the V or the 8. Otherwise, good job on all the successful ones. [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 07:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

==Category:Statements with common sense issues==

Hi there, Rich! [[:Category:Statements with common sense issues]] was correctly speedy deleted as C1, but Femto Bot recreated it. Could you reinstruct Femto Bot, and then redelete the category, please? --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 19:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:Delete the progress box and you will be fine. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 21:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:Thanks Rich. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 21:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==SmackBot: request for tweaks in articles==

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Please send the bot to [[ Oliver Hazard Perry‎]] and [[Three hares]]. Thank you for your help on [[Barber's pole]]. Thank you and happy editing. [[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|7&amp;6=thirteen]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|talk]]) 19:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC) Stan
:happy to help. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />


==Apology==
I sincerely apologise that this dispute on a user's financial COI has spilled on to your talk page. It shouldn't have escalated the way it did, but [[User_talk:Danieldis47#A_note|the issue has been resolved]]. This is my first time encountering a paid editor, and I apologise for any incovenience that the dispute may have caused.--[[User:Hongkongresident|res]] [[User talk:Hongkongresident|<font color="#800517">Laozi</font> <font color="#F88017">''speak''</font>]] 05:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a problem. Being paid is not the worst form of POV. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 08:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==Thoughts on my proposed revision of this BLP?==

Hi there Rich, I happened upon you via the Wikiproject Biography. After looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacqueline_Hern%C3%A1ndez&action=history edit history] and [[Talk:Jacqueline_Hernández|Talk page]] on the [[Jacqueline Hernández]] article, it became clear to me that this article could use some help. While I do not know the subject of this article personally, I happened to meet her very briefly in part of my work within her industry. While on the subject of WP, she mentioned that the existing version of the Wikipedia article about her was created by a family member of hers who - as you can see - was entirely unaware of the policies and guidelines here on Wikipedia.

In the interest of bringing this article up to Wikipedia's own [[WP:BLP]] standards, I've drafted a proposed revision which currently lives in my userspace here: [[User:Jeff_Bedford/Proposed_draft_of_Jacqueline_Hernandez_article]]

The main revisions I've made in this draft include:
*rephrasing throughout in a [[WP:NPOV|neutral]] tone
*citing [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in places where ''citation needed'' tag was present
*removing unsourced content
*removing non-encyclopedic content
*cleaning up formatting issues
*I am also looking to obtain a photo which is licensed as CC Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0, and will add this in the near future

Normally I'd implement these proposed changes myself; however I thought it would be helpful to get a second set of eyes prior to doing so. If you have a moment, might you be able to take a peek and advise on whether my draft is a step in the right direction? Cheers, [[User:Jeff Bedford|Jeff Bedford]] ([[User talk:Jeff Bedford|talk]]) 22:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:It certainly look like an acceptable article, I have made a few minor tweaks - I am assuming the Commissioner and "Judge" roles are voluntary work? It does still read a little like a CV but I suppose that's natural for that group of people. The trouble with good citing is the wikitext becomes hard to read, so I have pulled the refs to the end, if you don't like this back peddle one rev. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 08:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::Thanks for such constructive and detailed feedback - as time is a finite resource, I appreciate you taking yours in this way. Following your thoughts, I've implemented these changes in [[Jacqueline Hernández|the article]], and also left a note on the article's Talk page to explain the background of these edits. Kind Regards, [[User:Jeff Bedford|Jeff Bedford]] ([[User talk:Jeff Bedford|talk]]) 19:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry about the e-mail issues. I wanted to know if you would "follow" a new [http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/22278/dermatology-and-dermatopathology?referrer=UJ606vRKh44PRnJcRT7Q0g2 Dermatology and Dermatopathology forum proposal] I am working on. Also, perhaps you could vote as to which questions you consider on/off topic? In general, I have enjoyed collaborating with you on Wikipedia, and would love to have you following this project as well. Thoughts? ---[[User:My Core Competency is Competency|My Core Competency is Competency]] ([[User talk:My Core Competency is Competency|talk]]) 22:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:OK, as I said I am not a dermatologist, or even medically qualified, so there is probably little I can do right away (although I am interested in question and answer from a human machine interface point of view). The main query I would have - which stops me from rating the questions - is whether "Proposed Q&A site for expert dermatologist[S] and dermatopathologists " is for expert-expert, public-expert, non-expert-expert or a combination. Also what constitutes an expert dermatologist? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

==''The Signpost'': 15 November 2010==

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==Thanks...==

...for a very welcome invitation. Do let me know how I can contribute, or...prevent de-tributing. --[[User:Bsherr|Bsherr]] ([[User talk:Bsherr|talk]]) 18:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

==Editing restriction==

As far as I can tell these edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Park&diff=prev&oldid=397174644] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Air_Musique&diff=prev&oldid=397174625] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Segoe&diff=prev&oldid=397209988] are a violation of your editing restriction. The thousands of other edits today with the same summary don't look particularly different. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 01:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:A lot of them are adding DEFAULTSORT in addition to cosmetic changes - I'm not ''quite'' sure if that makes those edits OK. But there are some which don't have any non-cosmetic changes, eg [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=What_a_Week&diff=prev&oldid=397208917 template redirect] ({{tl|unreferenced stub}}) and that should definitely not be happening. Rich? [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 01:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::Given that there are so many of them, the task of adding DEFAULTSORT should be run as an approved bot job. Many other edits from today seem to be duplicating the SmackBot task of dating maintenance templates, a task that also should have been run under a bot account. But the completely trivial edits (I linked three above) are obviously inappropriate given the editing restriction. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 01:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's probably true. I'd like to hear what Rich has to say. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 02:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:The edits re either
:: * Within the AWB only changes
:: * Changing the sort order of some radio categories
:: * Setting up and initialising some new dated categories
:::Regards, ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::All three I linked are just capitalization and redirects, which your edit restriction specifically prohibits. I'm sure you're aware that that sort of edit is what led to the restriction in the first place. These edits also violate AWB rule number 4.

:::You also ignored the issue where you inappropriately ran bot jobs on your main account. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking at more edits, I noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_theology&diff=prev&oldid=397216911], which replaced "God is is" with "God it is". That was a manually reviewed edit. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::Should be God is.''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:::Right - but you saved it anyway. That makes it look like you are not appropriately reviewing your manual edits. Given that you made over 2000 edits on this account since the beginning of 2010-11-16, that may not be surprising. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:48, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

===Running bot job under main account ===

Here are three more edits, since my first post today, which are actually SmackBot edits run under your main account [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Dacre&diff=prev&oldid=397229226] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_NASCAR&diff=prev&oldid=397229171] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edgar_Street_Grid&diff=prev&oldid=397229648]. It is clear from your edit history that you are actually performing the SmackBot task to date the "criticism section" template, but running it from your main account instead of the approved bot account. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:You must be great fun at parties.
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:All the best. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::What in the world does that have to do with anything at all? The issue is not how to configure AWB, it's about running bot jobs under your main account. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:58, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::YOU said I was running SB's fixes. The above ruleset is completely different, and if you hadn't posted would have gone in the bit bucket by now. I am curious whether you just think its fun to try and find or make up rules that I am braking, or if you actually believe you are helping the project by posting these messages. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 03:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::The issue is not ''how'' you are doing it. The edits I linked have one effect: to date a maintenance template. That is exactly what SmackBot is approved to do. Running that task under your main account isn't appropriate even if you do it a different way, or with different code. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 03:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::So you maintain that because I run SmackBot i am forbidden from using AWB's general fixes, while any other AWB user is permitted to do so? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 03:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::::It is obvious from your edit history that you went through a list of transclusions of [[Template:criticism-section]] today to date them and bypass the redirect. Yes, it is inappropriate for you to do that under your main account because it is SmackBot's job. You were aware that you were only dating these templates, and often making no other changes, because you reviewed every one of the edits manually. So it was apparent that you were duplicating SmackBot manualy. It would also be inappropriate for other users to do that, AWB or not. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 03:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Bots are under a special approval regime because they generally run unsupervised most of the time, but I don't see anything 'mutually exclusive' here in the tasks themselves. As Rich said above, it's like Rich isn't ''allowed'' to do a task just because Smackbot is authorised to do it... ''Shome mishtake'' --[[User:Ohconfucius|<span style="color:Black;font:bold 8pt kristen itc;text-shadow:cyan 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Ohconfucius</span>]] [[User talk:Ohconfucius|<sup>¡digame!</sup>]] 03:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, the exclusivity is the point. Bot operators are not allowed to run their bots' jobs under the operators' main accounts. Separating the edits is the fundamental point of the bot accounts. Beyond approval, it means that the edits can be marked as bot edits (so they don't clog watchlists) and that it is clear to other editors that the edit was by a bot.
:::::::::Bot edits are marked as bot edits because they are bot edits. Making human edits to project space from a bot account is frowned upon for these very reasons - they don't show up on watchlists. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 03:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::::::::The deeper issue here is that Rich has a pattern of running SmackBot jobs under his main account. Given that he is under an editing restriction and under close scrutiny, it makes sense to be ''more'' diligent about following best practices, not less. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 03:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::There is absolutely no reason in principal that I cannot manually run rulesets that are (or are not) designed to do approved jobs. Indeed I frequently test and develop rules this way, for the task on American CDPs approximately 10% of the task was completed in the development phase. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 03:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::(&larr;) Yes, there is a reason not to run approved jobs from your main account - because it's a violation of our policies for bot operators. The fact that you might routinely run bot tasks from your main account is not a justification, it's the same problem I'm pointing out. The longer you continue to do these things, the more you follow in the footsteps of other bot operators who were eventually banned from running bots at all (e.g. Betacommand). &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 03:48, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Let's go back to basics here:
# [[WP:AWB]] Rules #2: "Don't edit too quickly; consider opening a [[Wikipedia:Bots|bot]] account if you are regularly making more than a few edits a minute.". From this I conclude that you should not do large volumes of AWB edits, as you have been doing recently, using your main account. You can create another bot account just for AWB.
# If you want to duplicate Smackbot tasks using AWB, for testing purposes or not, that's fine: but you shouldn't then make the same mistakes in terms of violating your edit restrictions ''especially'' as each AWB edit is supposed to be manually reviewed before saving (AWB rule #1).
# I refer you to the ''letter'' of the [[Wikipedia:Editing restrictions]] placed on you. Cosmetic changes are not permitted unless they are stock AWB or have demonstrable community approval. Yet you seem to think that such cosmetic changes of the type you know well don't have approval are permitted if combined with stock changes (eg [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Soames&diff=prev&oldid=397210027 here], combining template redirect replacement with hypen->em-dash). This not the case.

It's about time you figured this out, given your experience. My patience in terms of you not respecting your edit restrictions is starting to run a bit low. I've given you plenty of leeway to fix the issues, and it's about time you sorted things out so that you don't repeatedly breach them. Sort it out, or I'm going to seriously think about blocking you for violating the restrictions, something I had not seriously thought I'd have to contemplate. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 08:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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# Rich Farmbrough at 12:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC).
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<small>[[User:Femto Bot|Femto Bot]], (possibly the smallest bot in the world)</small> 04:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC) <br />

==Talk page banners==

I was going to give you a list of the changes I made but I noticed you were pinned down by friendly fire so I created a page under my user name ([[User:Kumioko/Talkpage]]) for the WikiProject Banner cleanup talk page edits. Im not sure if you derived the list manually or mined it somehow but as I make changes to my list I will update this page as well. I have also been adding comments about when I changed it and basically what I did (but I didnt for the first couple days). Please feel free to use or modify this list so that we can all benefit from enhancements we all find and make. If you dont have time or whataver just drop a note on my talk page about the change you want me to make andn Ill do it as soon as I can. My XML skills are minimal so I usually just append to the bottom and then resort when I pull it into AWB rather than trying to find where it fits alphabetically. Here are a few of the things that I have been modifying as I find them:
#Adding missing projects
#Adding additional redirects
#Changing the destinations to the actual project names (some were using redirects)
I actually perform a couple hundred other edits (like deleting empty unused fields (not things like priority or class but empty taskforces and the like), fixing parameters that say things like +, -, _, etc instead of =, adding listas if missing, changing listas title to listas key) but I cut those out for the sake of not mising things up. If you think I should inlcude these as well please let me know. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 04:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes that would be best as a separate chunk I think. I have to decide how often to generate the XML for talk pages, it takes probably 45 minutes, and will pick up all current redirects (barring the bugs you know about) provided the current list of targets is up to date. This would slow down the main rule generation too much, so I probably need to start soemthing to make it run daily or weekly, again a minor problem since I am running on 750M of memory for some strange reason. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 04:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
::750 huh, I woulda thought you had more power than that..lol. Im not sure what the process is for generating the xml but is it possible to fix any of the things I mentioned automatically or would you have to go in and manually change them every time? How do you determine which WikiProjects to pull in? Is it based on most linked to or a category or something? In addition to the ones I mentioned above I also noticed a few of he WikiProjects on your list dont have any redirects at all so I disabled them in my list. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 04:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

==Query==
Why, when I planned ot get up at 5 this morning am I still on-wiki at 4:32? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 04:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />
:Addicted like me I guess. I have to get up in three hours. --[[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 04:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Waitwaitwait... ==


Never edited by [[WP:BAG|BAG]].{{Break}}
...you have a wikiproject for ''bacon''?
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Isn't that a bit...obsessive? [[User:HalfShadow|<font color="gray">'''Half'''</font>]][[User talk:HalfShadow|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''</font>]] 18:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
<small>[[User:Femto Bot|Femto Bot]], (possibly the smallest bot in the world)</small> 20:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC) <br />
:Hmm, or should I say ...Ham... It's a small WikiProject. Barely a few rashers really. See the article in the [[WP:Signpost]]. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC).<br />

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