User talk:Fastily

Clarification

Because some things are not what the appear is the short answer, give be 20 minutes to gather all the relevant information. Please don't defect to oppose right away. And I say this, If I cant explain it to your satisfaction, I withdraw my RfA right now because I would have to be of the most incompetent kind. Give me a little time cause a lot of shit happened there and I was acting as an ambassador to assist this professor. I'll give you all the thank you diffs and everything. Ok? And thanks for asking me this as you stated before reverting because well you got the mop because that is what it would have taken to fix it back once you revert me. My76Strat 05:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Um...What? I'm confused; what are you trying to say here? It didn't cross my mind to oppose your RfA, but now that you mention it, I'm tempted to do so on the grounds of your ability to communication effectively. Please clarify asap. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 07:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for that confusion. I knew it would take a long minute to explain what happened in the context of as it happened. And I felt context was necessary to get the best understanding. I didn't want to loose your support, I already felt this debacle might have pushed Logan to oppose. And I am sorry for how the content rendered, somewhere I did state that I had forgone a copy edit to gain precious few minutes. Then the loss of session data and the page appearing to not save the content. But I will try to clean it up a bit. My76Strat 07:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Response

• I get an alert that someone needed help in the Wikipedia classroom. I responded to the request for help.

The user tells me they moved the content of their userpage to article space, and their userpage got deleted. Then the user moved the article back to his user page, leaving a redirect in userspace. He states he no longer needs the article. so I tag the redirect for deletion. Within a minute the user copies the content he had just moved back to his userspace into the redirect removing the CSD tag. Then he comments that the article is where he wants it but the history is still in his userspace. I told him what had happened. I eventually ask him to give me a few minutes without editing or moving and I would get it fixed. The only thing I did regarding all the confusing stuff is this: I got the article space page that was missing the history deleted, Moved the content of his userpage, which was the article he had moved there earlier, to the location he wanted it with its history and canceled the userpage redirect left behind. I hope this helps My76Strat 09:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Dude, I have just observed so many egregious errors in the last 10 minutes I almost fell out of my chair. You're a nice guy and good editor, but honestly, what the fuck were you thinking from the point you answered User:Jaobar's question to the point when you posted this thread?? God...I don't even know where to start. For starters, and for future reference, never post irc chat transcripts anywhere on Wikipedia unless you have the explicit permission of the users you were conversing with. Doing so is a violation of our licensing policies and is interpreted as a copyright violation; any content posted to Wikipedia is released under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL, in which you, the sole author of that text agree to license it so. As far as I can tell, you were not the sole author of the irc chatlog you posted to my talk page. Next time, just email the chatlog. That way, you will not be releasing it under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL. Now, for the User:Jaobar incident. My jaw dropped when I saw that YOU yourself agreed AND moved User:Jaobar to Jonathan A. Obar. Simply unbelievable. As far as I can tell, professor Obar does not meet our notability criteria (therefore, his page could have been either been PRODed or speedily deleted under A7). Additionally, the text of the userpage, to my knowledge, fails WP:ADS/WP:NOTPROMOTION (point four), Wikipedia:Autobiography, and WP:BLP (as an unsourced BLP). I understand that the Obar is a newbie member of the fledging campus ambassador program, but that does not give him the right to flaunt our policies and do whatever he desires. The professor came to you asking you if it was acceptable to create an article on himself and from what I can see, you said yes. What you should have done, was gently guide Obar in the right direction, and explain to him why he should not create an article on himself, or move his userpage into the mainspace to do so. You know the rules that govern this site, so why did you knowingly violate them?? Or do you not know those rules? Were you thinking this through at all? What amazes me the most is that you had the incredible audacity to revert my move within minutes without bothering to ask me why I had moved the page in the first place! In case you didn't know, this is called move-warring, and is analogous to edit-warring. Additionally, I must note that you have difficulty conveying your thoughts, or unable to function under pressure. All I can say is that Wikipedia is not a race, and that there is something called the preview button. As an administrator, we deal with pressure like this on a daily basis, and if you start fucking up when you're under scrutiny as slight as this, then adminship is not for you. And with that, I have struck my support at your RfA. I hate to do that but, what I can I say? I have lost all confidence in you. Consider yourself lucky I didn't start an ANI thread on your behavior. I appreciate you taking the time to explain, but I'm afraid it won't help here. Sorry mate. All the best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 10:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Before it was changed, User:My76Strat's original post: [1]. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 10:11, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I am glad to see this. I can address some of your concerns directly. Mostly it would not matter. You are right about most of what you have pointed out. However this test came about I did fail. But I do not think it's productive, deliberately or not to require someone, in failing, to also take credit for mistakes they did not make. The timing of your post here is impeccable. I actually came here with intentions to send you some small message. At least to extend the olive branch that acknowledges we can work together and move forward. Everything else about this post can only serve the deeper understanding, and then if there is no necessity there may be no motive. But if you are at least curious enough, some of those questions could be answered. My76Strat 07:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Had a closer look, and it seems there was no move waring. Nonetheless, that does not, and will and justify this. Good day. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 10:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Jaobar‎

I am slightly confused here. This page was moved to Jonathan A. Obar a couple days ago. OK, fine. But today, there has been a flurry of activity deleting the mainspace page, then the user page, moving the mainspace page to userspace and back again. Now it is going back to mainspace. I have to ask....what the hell? This is confusing for me and I have been here over 4 years, so I know it has to be confusing for this guy and he has only been here for a couple months. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 08:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes it would be confusing. I was also confused. To the extent possible, please take notice the the majority of the moves you mentioned were done by the user himself. He asked me to help him, and ultimately I did. the redacted text above carries the context which is necessary to see what happened. I will append a summary of the missing context. And if it helps I would be glad. My76Strat 09:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Jaobar's Response

Well first of all, my apologies for creating this situation. It was not my intention to get anyone in trouble, I simply had a slight problem, that to me, didn't seem all that unique. User:My76Strat was very helpful and polite, and though apparently there were some rules broken, I have no problem with what Strat apparently did (though perhaps I'm not totally understanding what happened here).

Specific to the issue of how this all started - I must say that I didn't realize that a newbie trying to figure things out would cause such an uproar. I would imagine though that when recruiting "experts" as the USPPI has attempted to do, those recruited will create or edit articles about the research and academic centers that they are affiliated with, thus, the reason that I thought it appropriate to join my colleagues Steven S. Wildman and Johannes M. Bauer who have articles linked to our Quello Center for Telecommunication Management and Law. I will also note that other colleagues of mine also have articles, see Amit Schejter. Perhaps I'm not as established as they are, so perhaps that is the reason why I do not pass the "notability" criteria, though I'm not quite sure what one has to do to be considered "notable" on Wikipedia (though I'm sure there is a whole list of arbitrary rules that have been created). I assumed that being a volunteer teaching fellow might give me a free pass, but clearly not. Look, I don't really care either way. Enforce the rules as you see fit. Hopefully someday soon I'll pass the test. Though I must clarify, that I'm not looking for "self-promotion," as you stated, which I find an utterly condescending way to describe what has gone on here. I thought WP was about expanding knowledge, not limiting it.

Lastly, I'll repeat again, that I hope that User:My76Strat isn't in trouble because of this 10-minute interaction. Strat was only trying to help me figure things out, and I don't see why that's cause for such concern (and public humiliation, which to be frank, is a bit shocking). I'm not an administrator, and wouldn't assume to know more about this than you all, so I'll just say that this is my newbie opinion. Jaobar (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Just a Heads-Up

Passionless isn't living up to his name with this edit. I reverted and left a note on their talk page, but I am not sure how you want to proceed on that. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 06:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I reopened the case as I made it actionable, was that not the entire reason it was closed? Passionless -Talk 07:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)