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Hi this is my talk page. --Jaobar (talk) 18:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Mass-messaging users[edit]

Hi there. I noticed you are currently mass-messaging administrators about a project of yours. While we usually do not mind such requests, you should not do so from your own account. Instead, you should ask for someone with a message-delivery bot to sent the message in your name (see Category:Newsletter delivery bots for a list of bots created for this purpose - you can find their owners on their user pages). Bots are programs that handle such repetitive tasks without limitations and which can be blocked by users not wishing to be left such messages. Also, that way your contributions history will not be filled with countless edits that are essentially the same. Regards SoWhy 15:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for this info. Any idea what percentage of admins block the bots? --Jaobar (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I am busy with a computer bug right now at work, but I will get back to you in a few days about this project. I am being forced to use a financial aid computer acces right now while it's being fixed. Bearian (talk) 16:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I can help some with this question. Technically all unapproved bots are blocked and rarely approved bots are blocked if they are off task. There is an approval process that must be gone through for bots. The percentage of us that block them at any given time is hard to quantify because not all admins are active all the time, there are however admins that watch the approved bots on the bot page. Hope that helps. «»Who?¿? 01:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview[edit]

I will happily talk to your students, under certain conitions.

It would have to be by e-mail, as we have a significant time difference and I am at work during the day.

The student would have to be an account-holder within wikipedia; failing that I cannot accept the motivation which you stipulate.

They would have to have satisfied the basic qualifications for consideration for adminship; not less than six months experience here, not less than 3,000 edits, and no serious recorded misbehaviour.

They would have to have demonstrated, by the nature of their edits, a commitment to the project. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. If you change your mind, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 21:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Just a clarification on the interview, the purpose of it is to provide the students with a knowledge of how Wikipedia's admin body works and what motivates them on this project? Judging from Anthony's comment, it would seem that he had interpreted the main purpose of the interview is to train your students on becoming future admins on this project. —Dark 13:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
You are correct. As I said in the posting, we want to learn about what you do and why you do it. Students are not learning to be admins, but rather, learning about being admins. Best, Jaobar (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


Although the notion of a class studying Wikipedia administration at a meta level is an intriguing one, and although I'd certainly be willing to participate in an interview via IRC, I strongly recommend that you clarify your purpose and intent.

You cannot teach your students to be Wikipedia administrators. You cannot prepare or train them to be, or to become, Wikipedia administrators. Students who enroll in the course with the goal (stated or otherwise) of becoming Wikipedia administrators themselves, will face disappointment.

You can teach them about Wikipedia administrators -- what we do, how and why we do it, our thoughts on the ways in which the relevant processes have changed over the years... but one of the key factors to being a Wikipedia administrator is one's motivation. If one has the proper motivation, one does not need to take a class. If one does not have the proper motivation, then being an administrator will be either a) a boring disappointment that is quickly abandoned, or b) an opportunity to squander trust, reputation, effort, and an entire persona, in order to indulge in a few minutes of vandalism... which will be terminated by an emergency de-sysopping and the account being permanently blocked.

You can teach them about hobbyists who are influential on other hobbyists within the same hobby. You cannot teach them to be influential hobbyists.

Understand? DS (talk) 15:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

DS, thank you for your note. I definitely understand what you're saying. As I've said in my note on your talk page, I teach in a communication school, so the students are learning about communication and media theory and practice. Today, this of course includes the study of social media, Wikipedia included. I am fascinated by the (limited) academic literature addressing the structure of administration of WP. My experiences on wiki have also fascinated me, so my goal has been to share this fascination and process of exploration with my students. I am by no means making an attempt to interfere with your RfA process. I am merely trying to understand what it is that you and your community are doing, and why you do it ... and I'm bringing the students along for the ride. So far, we're all fascinated ... and learning a ton each day. I am very much looking forward to the interviews... we have a lot to learn from you. Jaobar (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Either you or your students are free to contact me, but not via Skype. As to not being able to teach some one to be an administrator, that makes as much sense as, you can't teach anyone to be a doctor or a lawyer. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Fred, thanks so much for your note and for your time. One of our students will be in touch in the coming weeks. Best, Jaobar (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

TC458: Creation of Village Pump proposal[edit]

Hi Dr. Obar, this is Daniel. In response to our current project to design a multi-purpose Wiki Admin bookshelf/tutorial/tool-set page, I was wondering if it would be alright to ask the Wikipedia community about what sort of things they would like to see on said page if one were to be made. Although it makes sense to ask for input from the community, I am unsure if doing so would breach any MSU rules or policies (considered "cheating") or if you had predefined that our groups were to work on the project alone. Also, I feel hesitant to post anything, as I am unsure exactly where would be best to address the issue with other Wikipedians, and from the looks of the situation, Wikipedians in general have a very negative view of students in classes such as ours due to the past events we have discussed in class. Vert3x (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Daniel, this is an excellent idea. The place to ask these questions is the Idea Lab. The Idea Lab is a subsection of the Village Pump - a more informal (and appropriate) place to have this discussion. I'm impressed with your initiative. Let's see what you guys come up with! --Jaobar (talk) 18:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and posted a new section to the Idea Lab. It should be listed as Wikipedia:VPI#Admin_Portal Vert3x (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
This discussion section made me very much want to talk to your students! – SJ + 08:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Students, admins and WP:India Education Program[edit]


I saw your posts to various admins and your village pump proposal regarding your MSU course about WP admins.

You may not be aware, but the WP community is still reeling from the recent WP:IEP project, a student-involvement project that went badly off the rails. Whilst its clear that your course would already be avoiding some of the most troublesome issues of IEP, the en.WP is not well inclined towards students at present and I'm a little worried that you might encounter problems as a result. I've raised this at Wikipedia_talk:IEP#Students_as_editors.3F_Now_it.27s_students_as_administrators.21, because I think that there's likely to be good advice to be had from looking at the IEP experience. Also the editors involved with cleaning up after IEP are likely to have strong opinions on such a course and it's best to make the introductions early rather than late.

My own opinion is that I wish you well with it, but I'm puzzled as to how it can work out. Your students will not be becoming admins en masse, and I'll be impressed if even a handful of them do so. Mostly though, I wouldn't wish WP:RFA on anyone, least of all a student! Andy Dingley (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Andy, thank you for your note and for your words of encouragement. I am familiar with the problems faced by the WP:IEP, as well as the reasons the problems came about. As I note on my profile page, I have a lot of experience working as a member of the Education Program, and am actually teaching my third class as a Teaching Fellow. I can assure you that my students are well-supervised and well-aware of MSU's (very strict) policies regarding plagiarism. I can appreciate your concerns; however, my intention with this class is to BE BOLD, which I think the community recognizes and appreciates. If you don't mind my saying, mistakes should be met with reflection, new ideas and new passion, not with fear. I hope the WP:IEP gives it another try ... I met some of the WP:IEP Teaching Fellows last summer and they certainly had a lot of interest in the program. Hopefully this enthusiasm hasn't been spoiled by a few mistakes. Anyhow, I will be more than happy to discuss my ideas and work with anyone on-wiki that has concerns. As always I am open to suggestions, criticism and (of course) positive feedback. I can tell you that the students seem to be enjoying the class so far. Thanks again. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 20:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
My concern is that I see a basic discontinuity between WP admins and students, and I see no way past it. Becoming an admin is not a quick process and it's (by expressed rule of thumb) at least six months of editing first - which even then would be remarkably rapid. There won't be many students who can afford that length of time, particularly if it has to fit into some course's own duration.
I think the content of your course sounds like excellent subject matter, and it's a virtue in its own right the more people become familiar with it. My concern is about this "carrot" of adminship hanging in front of students, yet it being so difficult to achieve in reality. How will the students react if (as seems inevitable) very few of them have much real chance of gaining it? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Andy, please have a look through the discussion HERE. Achieving admin status is not one of the goals of the course. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
That's rather why I posted. When the very title is "Learn to be a Wikipedia Administrator", students will assume that they're intended (and possibly expected) to become just that! If the goal is really to "Learn the skills of...." then it needs to have that clear from the outset. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: MSU Interview[edit]

Thanks but no thanks - I've only been an admin for less than a week and don't feel confident enough to talk to a group of students about it! Maybe in the future... GiantSnowman 20:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You sure? We're looking to hear about all admin experiences ... the RfA process is probably pretty fresh in your mind. We'd love to hear about your experiences so far, as well as your visions for the future. Old and new are equally welcome and equally valuable! --Jaobar (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, suppose so. I'd be best by e-mail, given the time difference & the fact I'm at work during the week / on my travels at the weekend... GiantSnowman 20:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. We will be in touch in the next few weeks. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 05:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview[edit]

Hi Jonathan, I'm willing to be interviewed by one of your students (in fact, I'm already on your list, I think). Conducting the interview over IRC would be easiest for me. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

IRC would be the best for me too, although email would work just as well. —Dark 22:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good, will add you to the list. Thanks! --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan - though I'd like to help with the interviews, I spend very little time on Wikipedia these days, and I doubt I'd be too much help for that reason (I know quite a few things have changed on the site since I was heavily active on it). Sorry that I can't be of more help, but good luck with the interviews! Grutness...wha? 01:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Please reconsider. We're interested in all perspectives and experiences. If nothing else, we'd like to find out why you aren't as active as you used to be ... and if it has something to do with the current wiki-culture. --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok... well, if send the interview questions to me via email - <my WP username @ slingshot dot co dot nz> I'll see what I can do :) Grutness...wha? 12:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in responding to this. I will add you to the list. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

While I would love to help as well, I don't think that I could be very helpful... I consider myself an editor first and an administrator a distant second. I tend to use the tools rarely, generally when I'm asked for help or when they prove useful in the normal course of my editing, and it seems that becoming an administrator and what that entails has changed significantly from when I was nominated. If I can be of use, please let me know, but overall I just don't think that your students would get an accurate picture of "adminship" or anything about it from me. Canadian Paul 03:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

We're looking for a variety of perspectives and experiences, and info from heavy and light users. Can we add you to the list? --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Sure, if you think I can be useful. I'd prefer email as the method of communication. Canadian Paul 16:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Again, sorry for the delay in responding. I will add you to the list. A student will be in touch in the next few weeks. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview[edit]

Hi, Jonathan. I have participated in a few surveys previously, but on this occasion I don't think I am a suitable respondee. I have been involved with the project for a very long time, and I became an administrator in the early days when it wasn't such a big deal. It has now become so complicated a matter that it is hard to keep up with the rules from day to day. I would probably put your students off if I tried to talk about it. Deb (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Deb, we're interested in all experiences and perspectives. The mere fact that you feel that you aren't as connected as you used to be, and there are reasons for this, is something we'd like to explore. Can we add you to the list? --Jaobar (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, if you're that desperate. I may not be able to respond for a couple of weeks though. Deb (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Deb, he said he was interested, not desperate. AGK [•] 12:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Jaobar. Just being courteous. I regret I cannot participate for some reasons. Thank you for the invitation. --Efe (talk) 13:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Deb. If it's alright with you, I will add your name to the list. As I said in my posting, you are welcome to say "no" at any time. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Efe, thank you for your note. If you change your mind, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Broke link fixed, sorry[edit]

Sorry I just noticed the link I gave you before was one that got censored by the online gaming tournament authority thing, I updated the link and hope you don't mind: [1]

The proper link should have been [2]! --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 02:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview[edit]

  1. The good news is that I'm an active admin of long-standing, and I do a lot of admin type tasks as well as create content and I'm prepared to help.
  2. The bad news is that I'm very wary about anything that involves me giving personal contact details of any sort. I think the only way I'm prepared to do this is through a subpage like this, with questions from registered accounts, not ISPs.
  3. I appreciate this isn't ideal from your point of view, and I don't mind if you feel that it's not worth going down this route Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your note. We can figure this out. We'll have a student get in touch in the next few weeks. At any time, let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Mount Allison[edit]

Hi Jonathan,

Sub specie aeternitatis and I have only corresponded by way of our user talk pages, but I know that he's a professor at Mount Allison University and that his name is Grant Aylesworth. The Mount Allison University website tells me that his e-mail address is (snipped). I hope this helps!

Neelix (talk) 20:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Removed his email address. --Jaobar (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview[edit]

My position is rather like that of Deb above, though I'm happy to be interviewed. Yes, I'm probably very atypical among admins, but a few "outliers" might be beneficial to the study.

You wrote: A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE. I hadn't previously noticed this announcement of yours to which that links. Now that I do, I have a little question. What do you mean by "bookshelf"? (List of URLs of pages useful for admins, perhaps?) -- Hoary (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, we've spoken already, but I thought that I would publicly thank you for your note. I will add you to the list. One of our students will be getting in touch in the next few weeks. THIS is the example of a bookshelf that our students are working with. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Well well, how little I know about Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or indeed MediaWiki, or whatever. Thank you for enlightening me, and I hope that my eventual correspondent/interviewer can educate me further! -- Hoary (talk) 13:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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Short answer, yes, happy to be involved. GedUK  09:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, count me in as well, as I have mentioned in my email to you. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Messaging a bot?[edit]

Did you intend to message User:Kingpin13 rather than his robot account User:AWBCPBot? Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


I would like to help, but I haven't been extremely active recently and wasn't an admin too long before I had to back away a bit from Wikipedia. I would prefer not to be on the top of your list of interviewees mostly because I think you may get a little bit more insight into adminship from someone other then myself. However, if you still need people for your students to contact however, I would be more then willing to participate. Just have your students email me, Sadads (talk) 04:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think Sadads, like Deb and Grutness above, are fine examples of admins, if at different points in the history of the project :-) – SJ +
Dear User:Sadads, we are looking to speak to admins who have had different experiences on Wikipedia, and would be interested in hearing your perspective. If still interested, one of our students will be in touch in the next few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


While I feel quite interested in your idea, there is a problem at my end of things. I don't have skype (my ISP is set up for it, apparently, but I'm not interested in it as I have free offpeak calls on the landline and don't phone overseas), don't use IRC (still don't even know what it is after over 20 years reasonably deep involvement with computers...), don't twitter, haven't Faced the Book, keep my space to myself, only dig in the garden (and only in emergencies then - I do more gardening with a reciprocating saw and an axe), and live in the UK which rules out direct phoning or txting. I do have assorted emails, but may not reply for a day or two depending on what I'm up to and where I am. I can even create a new email with a dummy name, if email is considered a feasible method of communication. In case this makes me seem like a technophobe, no, I'm not. I don't need those things. Too much hassle. And when one goes into one of one's dummy accounts (not a Wikipedia account - MSN) and find 15 people wanting to be one's friend on Messenger, and one doesn't even exist, one become even more cynical.... As I say, willing to help (or at least find out more...), but by email only. (I'm on a new machine and think I've killed Messenger. I hope I have. See my userpage...) Peridon (talk) 20:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear User:Peridon, email will be fine. One of our students will be in touch in the next few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks so much. --Jaobar (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


I actually signed up earlier when it was mentioned on the administrators' noticeboard. I am available by IRC or phone. Like Sadads, I'm not the most active admin, but I have experience and have been spending more time on Wikipedia recently. I am also more than willing to participate. Superm401 - Talk 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview[edit]

You run a class where you teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators, yet you know little about our community, and you want your students to interview admins? You may need to rethink your class. The first thing you need to teach your students is what Wikipedia is about, and how the community works. From that will come your and their understanding of the admin role. You are putting your focus in the wrong place. It's like trying to understand trade unions by asking questions of the police who are instructed to monitor picket lines. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your note. I wish you would give us a little more credit. I can tell you that we have done our homework (through review of the academic literature, review of Wikipedia policy and by speaking with a number of admins), and I'm actually quite pleased with how the class is going so far. If you change your mind and would like to be interviewed, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
How do you teach students to become administrators at Wikipedia? In order to become an administrator what someone has to do is demonstrate they have good judgement, a calm disposition, an understanding of Wikipedia consensus, a commitment to the project, and some basic competence. Some stuff can be learned from experience (learned not taught!), but most of the criteria used by the community to assess if a person is appropriate is the evidence of the person's edits on Wikipedia. You say - "Not a lot is known about your community and our students .... want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it." The starting point for learning about the community is to study the community, not one small aspect of it. If you said you wanted to teach your students to become members of a WikiProject like WikiProject Video games or Wikiproject Beer, I would be more supportive as that is a more viable aim and more instructive of what goes into building the encyclopaedia, though would also be somewhat limited. The admin group is not a group that is part of building the encyclopedia - the admin group have access to certain maintenance tools which not everyone needs. Some admins may rarely add encyclopaedic content. Other admins may rarely perform an admin action. At least a WikiProject member is likely to be working toward adding content and building consensus.
It may be helpful to an understanding of how the Wikipedia community works and how to teach that to your students to ask the community how best to do that - the community understand Wikipedia well, is knowledgeable, creative, helpful, and contains teachers and students. A starting point may be to get in touch with Wikipedia:Ambassadors - a project already in place for teachers and students to learn about Wikipedia.
You may also find Wikipedia:Research, and the links there, of some use. SilkTork ✔Tea time 23:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, SilkTork, I'm an administrator. I too was asked to participate, and, after a few minutes of wondering about it, I agreed. (I also posted a question above that [cough!] hasn't yet been answered.) ¶ I'm surprised that you are so quick to infer methodological incompetence. According to his self-description -- yes, yes, not a reliable source, but as far as I know also not challenged -- the man has a Ph.D. from Penn State University in mass communications. I don't rush to assume methodological perfection but I do start with the assumption that he's not methodologically naive. ¶ How do you teach students to become administrators at Wikipedia? you ask, rhetorically, and then respond. As he has repeatedly said, Jaobar is not proposing to teach students how to become administrators. He's instead launching a program that aims to find out more about the process. Analogous research has, I'm sure, been done to find out more about the process of becoming a nun or a crack dealer -- the result is not a career guide but instead sociology. Your own responses to your question are, I'm sure, well intended, but I for one think that any notion of a cohesive Wikipedia "community" is dubious and that very word "community" suspect (see Unspeak); I also wonder how your last suggestion differs from a company's attempt to tell an investigative journalist to digest the output of its PR department. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Spamming[edit]

I replied to you on User talk:Yjune.sah:

Thanks for the response! This is why I always assume good faith. I hadn't seen the notice on the admin noticeboard (that's my fault,) and had no idea whether or not this had gotten permission yet, so I thought a simple warning (just in case) on the talk page would suffice. Sorry for the confusion. --Mithrandir (Talk!) (Opus Operis) 00:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome talk Jonathan!!![edit]

I really enjoyed your talk today. --Jaobar (talk) 01:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Great talk!!![edit]

Jonathan, thanks so much fort teaching us about Wikipedia. The Education Initiative material taught us a lot about how people are learning by doing. The "how-to" lessons will help several students with their own term papers. We really enjoyed your expertise and enthusiasm! --Cmcresearch (talk) 01:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

How to Avoid E-mail Spam[edit]

Thanks for the notice on my page. You may want to consider {{NoSpam}} when posting e-mail addresses on Wikipedia in the future, though, to make it more difficult for spambots to discover your address. (I applied it to your notice on my page.) Alternatively, you can set the address as your account e-mail and send people to Special:EmailUser/Jaobar. Yes, I know a university address is probably easy for the spambots to guess anyway, but ... --Philosopher Let us reason together. 03:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Who is in charge of this account anyway?[edit]

A few centimetres above, you appear to be talking to yourself. That's odd, and I've brought up the matter here in a Wikipedia administrators' noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 05:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the email, and sorry to have bothered you. -- Hoary (talk) 05:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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Yes, in a couple of weeks[edit]

I won't have much free time for 10 days or so, but would be happy to be interviewed after that, preferably on-wiki. Thanks for running what sounds like a charming and useful class. – SJ + 08:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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MSU interview[edit]

I'm willing to pitch in, with the usual disclaimer that my information may or may not do you any good. :P Pegship (talk) 21:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


Any particular reason that these interviews aren't on-wiki? You could just create sub pages in your userspace for each admin who says yes. - jc37 22:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: Interview request[edit]

I sent an e-mail on February 18 and never heard back. Enigmamsg 22:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Michigan State admins[edit]

Have you tried talking with Chanitra at IU-Bloomington? She found a way to get a geo-specific watchlist notice; perhaps you could follow whatever path she took and advertise specifically for admins in south central Michigan. Nyttend (talk) 01:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Interview via non University mail ids[edit]

Are the email ids (snipped) and (snipped) of members of your interview team ? Would it not be safer for them to use their university ids ? Shyamal (talk) 01:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Kevin (kgorman-ucb) (talk) 22:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


I'm not really an active editor anymore, but I have been around since the early days. I might answer some questions by email or so. I have definite opinions about the promise and hopes we had for the Wikipedia of five+ years ago, and what it has become today. --DanielCD (talk) 23:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The darker side of adminship[edit]

It may be too late, but I recently saw a user page that stated they applied once for adminship and were nominated by another a second time. They had some interesting thoughts about the process and how it has changed. I will see if I can track down their name from my WP wanderings if you are interested at all.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Found it: User:Malleus Fatuorum --Canoe1967 (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Canadian classes[edit]

Hi Jonathan,

I am interested in being an online ambassador for classes at Canadian universities again this semester. Sage Ross recently recommended that I add myself to the table here and contact you to request that you connect me with the corresponding professors. Would you be willing to do so?

Neelix (talk) 14:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Assistance requested at WP:MED[edit]


There appears to be a class attempting to edit the global health page, which has been flagged by WP:MED editors. There is some evidence that this is coming from MSU. Your input and assistance would be appreciated at the WP:MED talk page

Thanks. UseTheCommandLine (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll look into this. It isn't a class from my dept. I'll check with the WMF to see if they're supervising someone from another dept. Best, Jaobar (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
I'll double-check, but it doesn't look like this is a class working with the Education Program.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


I sincerely hope this clears it up. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I happened to see that this could be improved by following WP:REALTIME. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have a look at this, and can understand the policy, though because the research area is new, I'm not sure how the language could be changed appropriately without using a time element. "Research has addressed" might work, but this suggests an established field, which is incorrect. Jaobar (talk) 06:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi sir![edit]

Hi sir!
I am phaneendra from India.
First of all sorry for giving very late reply.
Actuall you have sent a message through
wikipedia to me.
My wikipedia display name is phanihup.
After reading that message I have understood that you want to interview me.
I am ready to attend interview through mail.
Thank you for your offer.
do not misunderstood this late reply.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanihup (talkcontribs) 07:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC) once again i am telling sorry for this late reply.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanihup (talkcontribs) 07:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

course pages[edit]

Hi Jonathan! I just wanted to encourage you to have people use the extenstion-based course pages in the future. Even if they're not official Education Program courses, it's nice to have them all in the system (for the students and professors, as well as the experienced editors who interact with classes, in my experience so far).--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sage. The one I created today is for a class demonstration, not for a course. Is that what you're referring to? Jaobar (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Yep, I guess so. It popped up on my watchlist. Sorry for the confusion. :) --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
No worries. Next semester everyone will be using the new system. Thanks man. Jaobar (talk) 00:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Support for Canadian education projects?[edit]

Hi Jonathan. You're listed as the support contact for the Wikipedia:Canada Education Program. I'm setting up a University of British Columbia course that will have about 30 students editing pages on sustainability projects and issues in Vancouver. I spoke with Tina Loo yesterday (UBC History prof) and she said you had been very helpful for her course 2 years ago. Are you still providing this support, or is there someone else I should contact? Thanks in advance. Rosieredfield (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

New features for course pages[edit]

Several noticeable improvements to the EducationProgram extension (in addition to some small bug fixes) will go live on or around 2014-01-23:


All participants in a course (students, instructors, volunteers) will receive Notifications whenever their course talk page is edited. Thus, editors can use course talk pages to send messages they want the whole class to be aware of, and the class participants are likely to see them.

Special:Contributions student notice

For users enrolled as students in courses that are active, a notice will appear at the top of Special:Contributions noting which course(s) they are enrolled in. This will make it easy for users who come across the work of student editors to find out that they are part of a course and identify other class participants.

Adding articles

Course instructors and volunteers will be able to assign articles to student editors, instead of all articles needing to be added by the student editors themselves.

Adding students

Instructors and volunteers will be able to add users as students in courses, instead of all student editors needing to enroll for themselves. This makes it easier to maintain complete lists of students, and also makes the extension more suitable for tracking participation in edit-a-thons, workshops and other collaborative projects beyond the Wikipedia Education Program.

If you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know! --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Talking about talk pages in class[edit]

I'm talking about talk pages!--Jaobar (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update, February 2014[edit]

We've started working on "editor campaigns", a system that we expect will eventually be able to replace our current Education Program extension (and be useful for many other purposes as well). The early work with that project will focus on a system for signup up new editors for editing campaigns (such as courses, but also edit-a-thons, Wiki Loves Monuments, etc.). Because of that, progress will be slow on the current course page system. However, we have several improvements that should be available within the next few weeks.

Anyone can edit the main text of course pages

As part of the effort to make course pages behave more like regular wiki pages, we've enabled editing of course pages by anyone. Users who currently have the right to edit courses will have access to all the fields (so that they can change the start/end dates, and change the enrollment token). Users who currently cannot edit courses will be able to edit only the "page text" portion. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Simplified course editing interface

We've considerably simplified the interface for editing course pages, removing the options to rename courses. Changing the title of a course would also move the course page, creating confusion and leading to a number of bugs. Several other parts of the course editing interface were not very useful, so we've removed them to make it easier on newcomers. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Additional Notifications

Two students participating in the Facebook Open Academy mentorship program are currently working on additional Notifications for course pages. For the first of these, users will be notified whenever someone else adds them to a course.

Once again, if you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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DYK nomination of Shadism[edit]

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Education Program technical update, April 2014[edit]

Since the last update, development of the editor campaigns project has been continuing, and it's almost at the point that it will be useful to users running edit-a-thons and other non-course outreach events. (If you are planning such an event soon and would like to beta test it for tracking the contributions of newcomers, get it touch.) In the meantime, we've made a few small improvements and bug fixes to the Education Program extension:

Default course end date

The default end date for courses is now approximately six months in the future, instead of immediately. This will prevent the common problem where a user creates a new course page but does change the default dates, resulting in a course that is immediately considered "ended" and thus cannot be enrolled in.

Notifications when you get added to a course

Whenever a user gets added to a course by someone else, they will now receive a Notification.

Disabling individual student profiles

The student profile special page (Special:Student/Username, not to be confused with Special:Students) is a page that lists the courses a student editor is enrolled in, and is also supposed to list the articles that user is working on. However, the list of articles can include incorrect data in cases where an instructor or volunteer assigned the articles to the student editor. These profiles are being removed from the extension altogether. This change should go into effect Thursday, May 1. (Logs are still available to find out which courses a user is enrolled in.)

Article edit notifications for students coming soon

A nearly complete patch from Facebook Open Academy student Jeff Lloyd will add a new type of Notification: students will be alerted to edits made by others to the article(s) they are assigned (as well as the corresponding talk pages). Expect to see this feature within the next several weeks.

Duplicate courses and API deletion

Bugs in the course page creation process (now fixed) led in some cases to duplicate listings for the same course at Special:Courses. This happens when the same course page had two (or more) different course ID numbers. It is possible to clean up such duplicate entries using by making calls to the API. I've documented this process and written a Python script for it.

If you have feedback about these changes, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let Anna Koval or me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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User draft articles[edit]

It is confusing for other editors to go to a user page and see a draft article there. You should place drafts a user subpage, and they should have {{userspace draft}} added at the top. — Brianhe (talk) 19:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Just trying to manage some student work that was moved to the mainspace too early. She hadn't created a sandbox, so I wasn't sure where to put the work. We're in the process of organizing her sandbox. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 23:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today[edit]

Hello Jaobar,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today for deletion, because it seems to be vandalism or a hoax.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. TheMagikCow (talk) 19:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today[edit]

Hello Jaobar,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. TheMagikCow (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Johnathons's boring lecture today[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm TheMagikCow. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Johnathan's Boring Lecture Today because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! — Preceding undated comment added 19:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)