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::When this issue was discussed in March 2010, [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive605#Hungarian names of Romanian_places 1]], the conclusion was that "the correct method is that the article is housed at the Romanian placename, with the Hungarian placename in the infobox and lede.... unless the English language name is better known".--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 08:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::When this issue was discussed in March 2010, [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive605#Hungarian names of Romanian_places 1]], the conclusion was that "the correct method is that the article is housed at the Romanian placename, with the Hungarian placename in the infobox and lede.... unless the English language name is better known".--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 08:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::: Please read it more carefully and analyze other editors contributions also. There is a consensus about this issue, but I personally can`t find a direct reference to it. I have posted a reference from the admin`s table on your page. Quote "It was clearly agreed that >20%, Hungarian names should be bolded and put into the infobox, too. Everywhere else in Transylvania, even if the Hungarian population is less than 20%, Hungarian placename should be in brackets.". Please analyze it. [[User:Iadrian yu|Adrian]] ([[User talk:Iadrian yu#top|talk]]) 09:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


:::I have not accused you of anything, Iadrian yu, other than removing Hungarian names from the infobox and asking that you be more circumspect about it. Had I not [[WP:AGF|assumed good faith]], my wording would have been a lot more pointed. As far as the matter itself is concerned, there are two issues here. First, why do you insist on removing the Hungarian names in the first place? It certainly does no harm to have them there. Indeed, in the case of Sighisoara, the "official" name of the city is simply a Romanicization of the Hungarian name. Second, why do you remove the Hungarian name and leave the German one even when the German minority is virtually nonexistent compared to the Hungarian minority? These are valid questions for you to answer. --[[User:Taivo|Taivo]] ([[User talk:Taivo|talk]]) 08:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I have not accused you of anything, Iadrian yu, other than removing Hungarian names from the infobox and asking that you be more circumspect about it. Had I not [[WP:AGF|assumed good faith]], my wording would have been a lot more pointed. As far as the matter itself is concerned, there are two issues here. First, why do you insist on removing the Hungarian names in the first place? It certainly does no harm to have them there. Indeed, in the case of Sighisoara, the "official" name of the city is simply a Romanicization of the Hungarian name. Second, why do you remove the Hungarian name and leave the German one even when the German minority is virtually nonexistent compared to the Hungarian minority? These are valid questions for you to answer. --[[User:Taivo|Taivo]] ([[User talk:Taivo|talk]]) 08:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::: "Blatantly removing references to Hungarians in Transylvania" wasn`t really - "How are you".
::::: 1) I have removed Hungarian names from the infobox because of the already old consensus for Transylvania, if a certain minority is under 20% of the population that language name should not be present in the infobox. In Sibiu and Sigisoara the Hungarian minority represent under 20% of the population.
::::: 2) I have left the German name of the city [[Sibiu]] because it is considered a center/capital for the German minority in Romania, and as such it should have German name present in the infobox even if there isn`t a singe German man living in that city :).
::::: Hope I have answered your questions. If I did`t answered something, please don`t hesitate to write to me. [[User:Iadrian yu|Adrian]] ([[User talk:Iadrian yu#top|talk]]) 09:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


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Hungarian names in Transylvania

You need to be more circumspect about blatantly removing references to Hungarian in Transylvania. Hungarians constitute a significant minority in Transylvania and are historically more important than Romanians in that region. --Taivo (talk) 23:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to ask you for some more good faith and without false accusations. Hungarians indeed constitute a significant minority and their status is important(Romanians as the oldest and historically most numerous population is more important, but anyway) but that has nothing to do with my edits. There is a consensus for all places in Transylvania where Hungarians represent less than 20% of the population the alternative names should not be present in the info box, exactly what I did here 1; [1] when your friend accused me of being some kind of ultra nationalist... He accused me also here [2], when you teamed up... Adrian (talk) 06:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When this issue was discussed in March 2010, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive605#Hungarian names of Romanian_places 1, the conclusion was that "the correct method is that the article is housed at the Romanian placename, with the Hungarian placename in the infobox and lede.... unless the English language name is better known".--Toddy1 (talk) 08:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please read it more carefully and analyze other editors contributions also. There is a consensus about this issue, but I personally can`t find a direct reference to it. I have posted a reference from the admin`s table on your page. Quote "It was clearly agreed that >20%, Hungarian names should be bolded and put into the infobox, too. Everywhere else in Transylvania, even if the Hungarian population is less than 20%, Hungarian placename should be in brackets.". Please analyze it. Adrian (talk) 09:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have not accused you of anything, Iadrian yu, other than removing Hungarian names from the infobox and asking that you be more circumspect about it. Had I not assumed good faith, my wording would have been a lot more pointed. As far as the matter itself is concerned, there are two issues here. First, why do you insist on removing the Hungarian names in the first place? It certainly does no harm to have them there. Indeed, in the case of Sighisoara, the "official" name of the city is simply a Romanicization of the Hungarian name. Second, why do you remove the Hungarian name and leave the German one even when the German minority is virtually nonexistent compared to the Hungarian minority? These are valid questions for you to answer. --Taivo (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Blatantly removing references to Hungarians in Transylvania" wasn`t really - "How are you".
1) I have removed Hungarian names from the infobox because of the already old consensus for Transylvania, if a certain minority is under 20% of the population that language name should not be present in the infobox. In Sibiu and Sigisoara the Hungarian minority represent under 20% of the population.
2) I have left the German name of the city Sibiu because it is considered a center/capital for the German minority in Romania, and as such it should have German name present in the infobox even if there isn`t a singe German man living in that city :).
Hope I have answered your questions. If I did`t answered something, please don`t hesitate to write to me. Adrian (talk) 09:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Avoiding accusations of edit warring

So that none of us get accused of edit-warring, I suggest that we adopt a policy of no more than one revert per calendar day per article.--Toddy1 (talk) 07:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will not revert anything or do anymore edits on the problematic articles until this problem is solved. There is no point in edit warring or editing the article until this is solved. The important thing is that you are constructive and that we are talking. When the other party refuses to talk then it is a problem :). Adrian (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]