Talk:Kazimieras Garšva

The fact, that Garšva is interested in contraversial subjects does not proove him to be nationalist. And Polish newspaper, defending tunic of AK, is probably not the best source to use opinion from.--Lokyz 17:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, statements like this "Przewodniczący "Vilniji" Kazimieras Garśwa stał się nieformalnym liderem Wspólnoty. Kilkakrotnie Wspólnota Litwy Wschodniej była inicjatorem działań wrogich wobec mniejszości polskiej (apele do parlamentu, premiera, ministra sprawiedliwości itp.)" truly represents full scale of nationalism of Vilnija. I suppose "apele do paralamentu" is considered criminal and nationalistic action in Poland?--Lokyz 17:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Lysy, why did you remove his scientific credits? And one more thing - all the references with name calling and no arguments why this organization is considered nationalistic won't help here. They might support thesis, that organization is considered nationalistic by Polish side, althoug I do not think that this is enough.--Lokyz 17:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

First, thank you for creating this stub. Anyway, the organization is called 'extremist' in English academic book (Racist Extremism in Central and Eastern Europe - the title is quite telling). Btw, I just found an English language ref with another ref to Vilnija (bookTaming Nationalism?: Political Community Building in the Post-Soviet Baltic States). Quote: Vilnija wanted to get rid of Polish (and Russian) textbooks, teachers and schools. Btw, seems like we are missing the article on Lithuanization, a term used in that book). A third ref to Vilnija in English publication I can find is unfortunatly restricted by copyright issues, but the title of the book is interesting as well: Understanding Ethnic Violence: : Fear, Hatred, and Resentment in Twentieth-century Eastern Europe. And then we have quite a few Polish publications (mentioned on Talk:Armia Krajowa), including statements from Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs (refers to him as 'nationalist', calls his works 'not objective', 'one-sided' and 'subjetive', and quotes Lithuanian officials (presidential aide) who apologizes about Garsava works which 'left a bad taste in my mouth' and were 'pointless' [1][2]), Instytut Pamięci Narodowej (refers to his works as 'anti-Polish', [3]), representatives of Polish minitority in Lithuania (refer to Garsava works as 'lies', 'provocation' and 'works in the spirit of Soviet propaganda' [4]) and respectable journal like Gazeta Wyborcza (calls him 'author of scandalous accusations'). Sure, Polish publications would have a POV, but they are quite respectable - a tag I don't think we can associate with Vilnija, which to me looks as respetable and reliable like Stalin Society. Certainly the above sources are enough to note that Poland-related work by this author is highly criticized in Poland, at the very least. Out of curiosity: can you find any Lithuanian-language soruces which would be critical of Garsava? Because I have not yet found a signle Polish one that would be positive.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not remember calling this organization nationalistic, I just said I do not know much about it, and he seems to be quite radical. and I haven't found any decent info on Vilnija organization either.

Although newspapers are made to be make money, and some fancy headings are made to be sold better.

Do you know exactly which publications disgusted officials? Is there some official info, or rumours only?Lokyz 18:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Particulary the movie about the AK, based significantly on his works and made with Vilnija help, which was seen as extremly one-sided, historically inaccurate and offensive.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, without any doubt AK were saints, nd did not kill noone. An there was no political decision made, that "Lithuanias are not ripe to have independance". This last part is not insulting, don't you think?

As for factual inaccuracy, let's wait what the AK documents found in Franciskans monastery in Vilnius have to say. It seems they will give more than enough of evidence, that there were no "rogue" AK troops, and they were acting on direct order.Lokyz 18:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

May I remind you about WP:NPOV? The 'monastery documents', one of Garsava's favourite findings, and fondly quoted by you too, are suprisingly not touched by anybody other Garsava in academic publications, despite being over 12 years old. We have discussed this particular revelation before, see Talk:Armia_Krajowa/Archive_1. Seriously, think for a moment - why such important documents have not been discussed for 12 years? Because they don't exist, are fake or grossly overinterpreted by mr. Garsava, it would seem. So can we drop this little revelation?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)