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Operator: BrownHairedGirl (talk · contribs · SUL · edit count · logs · page moves · block log · rights log · ANI search)

Time filed: 03:20, Tuesday, August 3, 2021 (UTC)

Function overview: remove all uses of {{Bare URL inline}} from a page, and add {{Cleanup bare URLs}} unless it is already present. This is because both User:Citation bot and WP:reFill skip bare URLs tagged with {{Bare URL inline}}. So the inline tag identifies bare URLs, but impedes a fix. The banner tag {{Cleanup bare URLs}} does not impede the tools.

Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: Supervised

Programming language(s): AWB

Source code available: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BHGbot 8/BHGbot-8-AWB-module

Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate):

Edit period(s): Initially a one-off run to clear the backlog. Then periodically until reFill2 and Citationbot are both fixed.

Estimated number of pages affected: {{Bare URL inline}} is currently transcluded in 13,984 pages. I will process all the pages in the article and draft namespaces: current total 13,967.

Namespace(s): article and draft

Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes

Function details: This job will not tag any articles which are not already tagged. Its purpose is to replace one tag with another:

1. count the number of {{Bare URL inline}} tags in the page, including aliases
2. if the number is zero, skip the page; the following steps don't happen
3. remove all the {{Bare URL inline}} tags
4. count the number of remaining {{Bare URL inline}} tags in the page, including aliases
5. check whether the page already contains a {{Cleanup bare URLs}} tag, including aliases
   • if yes, canonicalise the {{Cleanup bare URLs}} tag
   • if no, prepend the {{Cleanup bare URLs}} tag (with date)
6. Apply WP:GENFIXES
7. Save page, with edit summary of the form:
   • WP:BHGbot 8: removed 4 of 4 {{Template:Bare URL inline}}. Added {{Cleanup bare URLs}}
     or
   • WP:BHGbot 8: removed 3 of 3 {{Template:Bare URL inline}}. Already tagged with {{Cleanup bare URLs}}

Discussion

• Note from bot owner: The primary reason for creating this bot is to cleanup after myself. The TLDR is that while doing mass-tagging with {{Cleanup bare URLs}}, I responded to concerns about its intrusiveness by switching to applying {{Bare URL inline}}. Problems with that tag were drawn to my attention only after over 10,000 pages had been tagged. Here is the full explanation:

In May 2019, I began using AWB to tag article with the banner tag {{Cleanup bare URLs}}. After an initial run mid-month, I began a big batch in the last three days of the month, in order to facilitate one editor who wanted to be able to clear category. My AWB run triggered some discussion on my talk, with some concern about the intrusiveness of the {{Cleanup bare URLs}} banner template, including from Guliolopez. To resolve this, I tested using {{Bare URL inline}} instead, and Guliolopez agreed it that it seemed to be an improvement.[1]

I had tagged about 10,000 pages with with the banner tag {{Cleanup bare URLs}}, and then did about 5,000 more with {{Bare URL inline}}. Using the inline tag seemed to largely resolve the concerns which had been expressed.

There was a further comment about some comment somewhere preferring the banner tag, but the editor who mentioned it couldn't track it down. the tagging has helped a lot with cleanup: see User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Stats_on_bare_URLs_tagged_in_May_2021.

Then at the end of June, I started another batch, using {{Bare URL inline}}, and after a few hours the objections started. Problem-solving discussion was impeded by one very aggressive editor, but eventually it became clear that a decent number of more reasonable editors objected to the inline tag blocking reFill2. So I stopped the June AWB job after about 8,000 edits.

This bot task is to allow reFill2 to be used on these articles, and also to allow Citation bot to be used. Since stopping my AWB tagging, I have fed tens of thousands of bareURL pages through Citation bot, which usually manages on a first pass to fix all bareURL refs in about 25–35% of articles; a second pass will usually clear about 10–15% of the remainder, and in either case some other articles get partial fixes.

Neither Citation bot nor reFill2 removes {{Cleanup bare URLs}} even after fixing all the tags. reFill2 is now unmaintained, and my request for Citation bot to do so was refused; see User talk:Citation_bot/Archive 26#Cleanup_tag_not_removed_after_problem_fixed. I think I have figured out how to make a bot job which will remove most redundant {{Cleanup bare URLs}} tags in a way that will satisfy the concerns raised there by Headbomb. That will be a separate BRFA.

I will followup in the morning with more notifications to interested parties.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

• Good see an acknowledgement of an erroneous spree. Not even sure why the sprees have to take place at all but that's not a discussion for here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
  • There is no such "acknowledgement". I had hoped that TRM would drop the pointless sniping and the confrontational terminology, and that TRM would abandon his continued refusal to listen to my repeated explanations of why I tagged. I guess that was too much to hope, just as it seems to have been too much to hope that if TRM wanted to comment, he might make a substantive comment on this proposal to resolve the issues which arose. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
    • I'm just grateful to see that you've realised that many of your bot edits were erroneous. I was drawn to this because you made an oblique NPA which was I was advised of by a third party. Better you just fix the issues you've created than try to draw in others. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:40, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
• So effectively, you're saying {{Bare URL inline}} is useless? If so, why not TfD it? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:33, 7 August 2021 (UTC)