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*'''Comment'''. The name disambiguation on this one is quite difficult. I located a [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90156397/veteran-newspaperwoman-zestful-cook/ profile] of Malone published when ''How Mama Cooks'' was released. Some or all of her other works were released as "Prudence Penny" or "Elsie Barton". The LoC authority entry cites this article as a reason for associating the name "Dorothy Malone" with "Prudence Penny", and I don't see anything in VIAF that looks like Dorothy Malone, 1901–. [[User:AleatoryPonderings|AleatoryPonderings]] ([[User talk:AleatoryPonderings|???]]) ([[Special:Contributions/AleatoryPonderings|!!!]]) 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Comment'''. The name disambiguation on this one is quite difficult. I located a [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90156397/veteran-newspaperwoman-zestful-cook/ profile] of Malone published when ''How Mama Cooks'' was released. Some or all of her other works were released as "Prudence Penny" or "Elsie Barton". The LoC authority entry cites this article as a reason for associating the name "Dorothy Malone" with "Prudence Penny", and I don't see anything in VIAF that looks like Dorothy Malone, 1901–. [[User:AleatoryPonderings|AleatoryPonderings]] ([[User talk:AleatoryPonderings|???]]) ([[Special:Contributions/AleatoryPonderings|!!!]]) 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. In addition to the [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90156397/veteran-newspaperwoman-zestful-cook/ profile] found by AP above, her books were reviewed in reliable sources, indicating that she's the author of a notable body of work per [[WP:NAUTHOR]]: [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publishers_Weekly/xjtSAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22dorothy%20malone%22&dq=%22dorothy%22&printsec=frontcover ''Publishers Weekly''], [https://www.nytimes.com/1947/06/15/archives/how-mama-could-cook-by-dorothy-malone-168-pp-new-york-aa-wyn-250.html ''New York Times''], [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/dorothy-malone/how-mama-could-cook/ ''Kirkus''], [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/dorothy-malone/cookbook-for-brides/ ''Kirkus'']. Her books are also discussed briefly in academic texts such as [https://books.google.com/books?id=69kkDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115 ''A Taste of Power: Food and American Identities'' (pp. 115-116)], [https://books.google.com/books?id=0iBLCgAAQBAJ ''Dethroning the Deceitful Pork Chop: Rethinking African American Foodways'' (p. 247)], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Barbecue/6nC9AwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA190&printsec=frontcover ''Barbecue: The History of an American Institution'' (p. 190)], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cooking_Lessons/qH7YAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 ''Cooking Lessons: The Politics of Gender and Food'' (p. 101)] and [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Manly_Meals_and_Mom_s_Home_Cooking/9thF2pjw5hgC?hl=en ''Manly Meals and Mom's Home Cooking'']. I believe that Prudence Penny was a house name at the ''New York American'' which Malone inherited when she took over that paper's women's page, but she does appear to have written as Penny for quite some time. Given that the subject was active in the 1930s and 1940s, it's reasonable to assume that even more sources exist on paper. [[User:Pburka|pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 20:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Fails WP:Author. Cookbook and advice column author with next to zero coverage. Per LOC, just one of many 'Prudence Penny' authors. Cause for no consensus in 2010 (nominated by page creator) was having ~50 copies of a cookbook being catalogued in WorldCat. Star Garnet (talk) 21:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. An keep argument made last time was that a book is notable if reviewed by the NYT, and an author of multiple notable books is notable. I think that argument stands in theory but these are very marginal and there's no information available beyond the short reviews, so I don't think the books would survive AfD if there were articles on them. Hence nor should the author. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The name disambiguation on this one is quite difficult. I located a profile of Malone published when How Mama Cooks was released. Some or all of her other works were released as "Prudence Penny" or "Elsie Barton". The LoC authority entry cites this article as a reason for associating the name "Dorothy Malone" with "Prudence Penny", and I don't see anything in VIAF that looks like Dorothy Malone, 1901–. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting soft-delete close per request.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 19:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to the profile found by AP above, her books were reviewed in reliable sources, indicating that she's the author of a notable body of work per WP:NAUTHOR: Publishers Weekly, New York Times, Kirkus, Kirkus. Her books are also discussed briefly in academic texts such as A Taste of Power: Food and American Identities (pp. 115-116), Dethroning the Deceitful Pork Chop: Rethinking African American Foodways (p. 247), Barbecue: The History of an American Institution (p. 190), Cooking Lessons: The Politics of Gender and Food (p. 101) and Manly Meals and Mom's Home Cooking. I believe that Prudence Penny was a house name at the New York American which Malone inherited when she took over that paper's women's page, but she does appear to have written as Penny for quite some time. Given that the subject was active in the 1930s and 1940s, it's reasonable to assume that even more sources exist on paper. pburka (talk) 20:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)