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• Definitely cannot stay under current title as she isn't notable on her own per WP:BLP1E. Only a burst of sources related after her death, which also wouldn't meet WP:NEVENT. Should be redirected to Mahsa Amini protests#Casualties. ~Styyx^Talk? 16:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Iran. ~Styyx^Talk? 16:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

you argument that she became famous after her death, this is fully true; before that event she was not famous. You can apply your logic to approximately all famous people with an article in Wikipedia. They were not initially famous but they became famous after a specific time. For example most of the famous people like presidents of states, actors, serial killers, celebrities, ... Savalanni (talk) 19:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

so she isn't notable then. Dying isn't famous. We need reliable sources covering her life, not talking about her death. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Keep Hadis Najafi is a symbol and icon of a nation in 2022 Iran protests and definitely will remain so after that for years, please refer to international media like: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32]. Her twitter hasgtags like #HadisNajafi and حدیث_نجفی# are used tens of millions time. She is a national and international icon and symbol. She deserves to have an article in Wikipedia and should have one. Please keep it and help. Savalanni (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, all sources are about the exact same thing. BLP1E applies. ~Styyx^Talk? 16:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Please read carefully these sources together with the sources cited in the article itself. It is far more than exact same thing! And what about the millions and millions of tweets? Savalanni (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete Nothing notable, appears another death in an authoritarian regime. Will likely happen again, as sad as that is, it's almost routine. Oaktree b (talk) 17:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

There are many deaths but few symbols and icons. She is one of the two symbols besides Mahsa Amini. Please do not speak such lowly about the death of human, and please never wish that such deaths will happen again. It seems to be a little bit too brutal Savalanni (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• keep There are enough sources to prove her reputation. PARSA (TALK) 19:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Sources about her death, yes. And how exactlt does this bypass BLP1E, Parsa 2au? ~Styyx^Talk? 20:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, note the vote canvassing done here. ~Styyx^Talk? 20:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

She is not only famous for one event, namely her death, but for a chain of events, thus BLP1E can not be applied. She became an icon and symbol of millions of people. Please study her case carefully and then write your opinions. Savalanni (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

The only sources are because of her death, that's the whole idea of BLP1E. ~Styyx^Talk? 20:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Not fully true. As I have written before, a chain of multidimensional events are happening around her death. She is an icon and symbol. It seems you have not deeply researched her case; A complex political and social game inside and outside of Iran is happening about her case.Savalanni (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Let me rephrase this for you: if she hadn't died (i.e. a single event) none of this would've existed. ~Styyx

Talk? 20:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but poor argumentation. Every reputation and fame begins with one event and then a chain of events follow. Here we see the same pattern. I can give you thousands of examples for this. I think you have not correctly understood the BLP1E. Savalanni (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Savalanni has been doing some vote canvassing on other projects by going to the talk pages of some users and asking them to "vote keep": 3 on fawiki and 3 on azbwiki. I've added a {{Not a ballot}} template on top of the page. ~Styyx^Talk? 20:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Please, we must all remain positivist, I have just informed them that such discussion is going on here. Nothing about canvassing or somthing like that. We must all remain fair. They are free to write positively or negatively, I do not force them! Savalanni (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

"In the English wiki [1], they want to remove the article [2] related to Najafi's hadith with a poll. Can you please prevent the removal of the article by posting your positive opinion there to save the article? Thank you very much in advance for your help" is what the message translates to, so I don't think you have any ground to continue arguing about this. ~Styyx^Talk? 20:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

It is just an invitation to participate, nothing more. The automatic translation has not translated fully true, the soul of meaning in English and Persian are different. I do not know the people, they may be pro or contra, it is 50% to 50%. They may appose or support, I can not know it. As I have written, we should all remain positivist.Savalanni (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Stop it, please. You instruct them to write "keep" with four tildes even if they don't know English. No need to machine translation at all. Everyone can read the English word "keep" in the diff I provided. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete Please note that this discussion has been advertised on Persian Wikipedia. Please strike the votes by nonregulars. She is just a victim without any agency and does not deserve her own entry in an encyclopedia. 4nn1l2 (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

This is not true, she is not a regular victim of the protests. She became an icon and symol of the protests with millions of hashtags, huge fame in mass media, .... . Please also do not repeat groundless assertions of the user Styyx about my informing others about the ongoing discussion with naming it as canvassing. Your sudden appearance here is also a little bit suspicious, it seems to be like the result of an off-wiki canvassing of Styyx or may be not, who knows. Because it is your first edit in Wikipedia after two days off; Furthermore your behavioral resemblances to the user Styyx (both interested in Turkish related articles and both with non-mother-tongue English, both claiming canvassing, similar edits, similar English writing style, ...) are a little bit suspicious. Savalanni (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Here are the links for your canvassing at fawiki: [33][34][35][36][37][38]admins' board. You even asked them to vote keep[39]. I am a native speaker of Persian with over 70K edits at fawiki and the admin bit on Commons.

To enwiki admins who may not know what is happening in Iran now: The symbol of the ongoing protests in Iran is a Kurdish girl named Mahsa Amini. Some Turkic speakers in Iran (Azerbaijani people) try to make another symbol, a Turk this time. They claim Hadis Najafi is ethnically a Turk (which may be true, I don't know and I don't care). You may know that the relation between Turkic people and Kurdish people has been problematic for a long time, both in Turkey and Iran. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

So you didn't canvass? That's even worse if someone else is doing it for you. I'd say we should likely strike all the canvassed votes then. Oaktree b (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

4nn1l2 I think you are the first one to look to the protects and its symbols from this point of view. But I have listed many international mass media that have freely written about the protects an the symbols of the protests. The protests are not about and not related to any ethnic groups and their rights in Iran. It is about women right. Please do not mix and confuse and please do not reduce the protests in Iran to an ethnic conflict. If anybody searches the internet, he or she will immediately understand the motives of the protests in Iran Savalanni (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I just deleted a copyvio of Hadis Najafi with a gigantic flag of the Republic of Azerbaijan on Commons and I blocked the user for a month too: c:File:Hadis Najafi.jpg [40]. The immediate creation of this entry on azwiki (the Republic of Azerbaijan), azbwiki (the Iranian Azerbaijan), and trwiki (Turkey) speaks for itself. 4nn1l2 (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Comment User Styyx seems to be doing some sort of off-wiki canvassing in order to gather votes to delete this article. User 4nn1l2 seems to be canvassed (please see my comments and argumentations below its vote). Or may be the user 4nn1l2 is Styyx himself (as his sock puppet). I ask the administrators to check these facts.Savalanni (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Keep for now, suggest revisiting in six months. It's not clear whether this will pass WP:NEVENT because it hasn't been long enough to know whether it will be part of the "enduring historical record". If we get a couple sources reanalyzing the event in a few months—especially after widespread protests have ended—then it will be enough. Perhaps fawiki has a lower threshold for event notability, but the sheer amount of international coverage (showing significance outside of Iran) presented by Savalinni indicates this event may ultimately prove notable in the sense of NEVENT. It's different from, say, a random kidnapping in the US which receives negligible international attention; that falls squarely under WP:NOTNEWS. Ovinus (talk) 22:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Canvassing for votes tells us how non-notable this is. A notable article can stand on its own. Could even redirect to the Mahsa Amin article (and I've probably messed up the spelling of her name too). Still prefer deletion. Oaktree b (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussed canvassing here is about trying to delete the article, not to keep it. Hadis Najafi's article is far more famous than to be deleted in Wikipedia. Just the fact of millions of Hashtags about her is an undoubtable reason for her notability. Millions of people in Iran and outside of it are speaking about her. Thousands of articles about her is existing. International mass media is reporting steadily about the events about her life, her death, her family, her role in protests, her leading role in protests, ... .Savalanni (talk) 23:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)