Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Alienus

Alienus

• Alienus (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• ThAtSo (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Lancombz (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• FraisierB (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• FreddyTris (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Esmehwp (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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• Code letter: B Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alienus

Per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:Alienus; I see no reason why this request should be necessary, but several editors insist upon it. As it seems quite likely that data from the primary account is stale, some of the IP addresses found in Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Alienus may be of value. User:Lancombz, User:FraisierB and User:FreddyTris are already confirmed socks of one another; see Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Lancombz,Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Buridan. I am convinced that these are all the same individual as Alienus/ThAtSo. The last username listed, User:Esmehwp, shows very different language usage, but this may be deliberately mangled (and there are flashes of total coherence;) the confluence of article interests from Ayn Rand to Christianity to Market failure, wherein he advocates the same POV, are striking.Proabivouac 01:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Proabivouac is right - this is pointless as Alienus has not use his own account for over a year so there is no CU data to check. As to the "sockpuppet" IP's, they may be of some use but I would be surprised if it was definitive enough to be worth the work. Sophia 06:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your endorsement, Sophia, but our reasoning is somewhat different: I think it unnecessary because all (excepting perhaps Esmehwp) are so plainly one and the same individual that a CU is superfluous, not unjustified, or doomed to fail. Several editors including yourself have asserted that the assessments of Tom Harrison, Nandesuka, Raymond Arritt, Jossi, Tbeatty and myself are insufficient, and suggested that a checkuser be performed; see:[1][2] and of course [3]. Like Alienus, Lancombz is a known sockpuppeteer; the obvious similarity between the contributions of Lancombz & proven socks and ThAtSo justifies a checkuser on its own.

I've added the IP as an admitted address of Alienus.[4] Though given the last contrib date it is probably not current, perhaps its range will prove instructive (or not.)Proabivouac 07:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Esmehwp has been blocked indefinitely per WP:AN#User:Esmehwp.Proabivouac 22:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

 Unnecessary. All the socks are indefblocked, and Alienus is permenantly banned. Any conclusion drawn from this will be moot, since it makes no difference to the block/bans anyway. --Deskana (banana) 22:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

User:ThAtSo is still active, and is being discussed here.Proabivouac 22:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Then please create Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ThAtSo, and place there your evidence that these indefblocked socks are connected to ThAtSo (talk · contribs), along with reasoning as to why a check is required. --Deskana (banana) 22:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

But ThAtSo hasn't been banned, except insofar as he's a sock of someone who has been. The code letter system would seem to require that it be listed this way.Proabivouac 23:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You've totally confused me. Before you seemed to be indicating that you suspected either one of being a sockmaster, not that they were the same person. If instead you're indicating that ThAtSo is a sock of Alienus, provide evidence here for a check, please. --Deskana (banana) 23:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Proabivouac put his evidence here. ElinorD (talk) 23:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, yes, they're all the same person, excepting perhaps User:EsmehwpProabivouac 03:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps? They are nothing alike - that is pure fishing. What linguistic characteristics do they share? Or is he deliberately acting out of character to avoid detection? Sophia 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"Or is he deliberately acting out of character to avoid detection?"

That is my hypothesis. Esmehwp's linguistic irregularities are neither natural nor consistent, typical characteristics of a "bad hand" account, who just happens to find his way to divergent subjects related only by their association with the more eloquent Alienus socks. As the most recently active of the others, it may prove instructive.Proabivouac 07:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Or a bad english account? Sophia 07:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed most of this user's posts are bad English, but summaries such as "this section confuses equal oppurtunity first with equality then with affirmative action,"[5] despite the spelling error, indicate highly-educated native speaker ability.Proabivouac 08:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Opportunity is on the list of most frequently misspelled words. [6] None of the other words are. Also don't make the mistake that being foreign means you have to speak slow, loud and avoid long words. It's the stringing them together that takes experience and where Esmehwp shows his errors. But then he's just throwing you off the scent no doubt.[7][8] Sophia 09:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It's exactly the stringing together that I'm looking at here, Sophia. "[predicates] first with…then with…" is an elegant and skilled construction which bats far above the native average (and this isn't the only example.) Besides this, one point is clear: if this isn't your friend Alienus, then it's just a banned troll, and I doubt you'd go too far out of your way to defend a banned troll. Indeed, one of your central points was that the original ban of Alienus was unfair, which is only relevant if some of these socks are, in fact, Alienus. And you yourself supported the idea of a CU before it was filed; now you oppose tooth and nail. It is difficult not to conclude that, in perfectly good faith, you hope that Alienus has returned.

All that said, I've already plainly stated that this is the only username of those above that I wouldn't be incredibly (only somewhat) suprised to learn wasn't the same individual as the others; the others are quite obviously so.Proabivouac 10:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually the real question here is what qualifies you to make sweeping statements about lingiustic styles in a multinational multicultural project? Sophia 07:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No, the real question is why you suggested a CU and now are trying to chip away at it brick by brick.Proabivouac 10:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)