Talk:David S. Touretzky/Archive 1

POV

The Church of Scientology (or "independent" members of the Church, as it claims) has been engaging in a long-term effort to slander discredit Professor David Toruetzky. Why? Because Professor Touretzky has worked in support of free speech, and in the process has been considered one of the most important "enemies" of Scientology.

Proof of the bias of this article can be seen in the links posted to pages dedicated to smearing Professor Touretzky -- especially the one by the so-called "Religious Freedom Watch," a Scientology-based hate group.

Do a Web search for the name "David Touretzky" and you will come up with some very interesting results. Note especially his efforts (including court testimonies) opposing the RIAA and their attempts to ban DeCSS...and, again, his efforts against Scientology. Professor Toruetzky's exposure of the Narconon organization, for instance, are largely responsible for that organization being rejected by the California school system in early 2005. (See the Narconon article for details of that.)

But rather than bore you with the details, I would rather focus upon this article itself. Namely, the fact this article was written as a blatant attempt to smear and slander Professor Toruetzky. --Modemac 09:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Modemac, you call Religious Freedom Watch[1] a hate-group. What reference are you basing your labeling of Religious Freedom Watch as a hate group or is it your opinion?--AI 20:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They're certainly an operation of the Church of Scientology - David Gerard 21:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, but how does that make RFW a hate group? What is Modemac's source for labeling RFW as hate group.--AI 21:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RFW

I've done a Web search, a Usenet search, and a second Usenet search for the origins of this quote you claim that Professor Touretzky has given, and I can't find it. All that is listed are repeated uses of the quote by users making slanderous accusations, claiming that it is his quote. Therefore, I am asking you to provide the actual reference to the quote itself and prove that Touretzky actually said it. Thank you for your assistance. --Modemac 11:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• David Touretzky: "She is the former ambassador to Micronesia! and she's black. I should have known. What are all the really st00000pid congresswomen black?"[2]

That quote is based on Religious Freedom Watch's claim of usenet chat logs.--AI 20:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As such, it's from an utterly unreliable source. I suggest you need more discernment in your choice of reference quality - David Gerard 21:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to see more information in the article's 'Scientology critic' section about this controversy with RFW. What is happenning between David Touretzky and RFW. Has he tried to have the quotes removed? Is there an ongoing case?--AI 20:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just because someone doesn't bring legal action doesn't make an assertion true - David Gerard 21:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Isn't David Touretzky an "activist"?--AI 21:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Misspellings

The spelling is "Touretzky". Alternate spellings: Touretsky, Touretzsky, Toruetzky ... any others? I've set up redirects from "David -", "Dave -" and "David S. -" of all of these to this page - David Gerard 21:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Citizens Against Government Waste

David Gerard, you write that CAGW is backed by the Church of Scientology? What is the source of this?--AI 21:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)