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Category:Orthodox Jewish Anti-Zionism

Category:Orthodox Jewish Anti-Zionism - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: This is a convoluted and misleading category that is bound to cause more confusion than anything else. It labels itself "Orthodox" and "Jewish" when most Orthodox and Jewish groups actually strongly support Zionism either actively or passively. So far, it has had a few articles connected with Haredi Judaism and in particular Hasidic Judaism tossed into it. The way it's headed is that POV ways will be found to put all of Haredi and Hasidic Judaism into this "category" making them appear to be based on a one-horse issue of "anti-Zionism" even at the same time that many of the groups in these articles live, work and flourish within the modern State of Israel and the Zionist establishment, including running for its Knesset and sitting in its governments. How "anti-Zionist" is that? And if what is meant is extreme fanatical die-hard fringe groups, then they are certainly not worthy of "categories" as such. Thus, the category is not well thought out and violates WP:NPOV and WP:NOT#SOAPBOX and probably more. IZAK 13:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. IZAK 14:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per above. IZAK 14:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Negative and non-central positional definition. Where it matters, the respective views towards Zionism of these Jewish groups, newspapers and whatever should be discussed in the articles. gidonb 13:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - completely NPOV. These movements all characterize themselves as anti-Zionist and are WIDELY known for that. I am not going to bow to Zionist heretics who are being controlled by the Soton, having succumbed to the despicable yetzer horo of supporting the impure Zionist lie, may it quickly evaporate and dissolve. IZAK, I had truly not expected you to turn out to be a Zionist. You appeared to be a regular frum Jew who had some yiras shomayim and who was always involved in maintaining NPOV on Jewish subjects. As it turns out, you have sold out to the disgusting traitors and you are working to defend the reshoim. I don't know what to say.

Next, your allegations are pure nonsense. Because a category MIGHT become a subject of dispute later on, it should NOW be deleted?! What disgusting nonsense is this?! All of the groups in this category are VIRULENTLY anti-Zionist. Satmar and NK I don't need to explain. Dushinsky and Vizhnitz need no explanation either. Nor should the CRC, Edah, or Shomer Emunim need an explanation. And Mishkenois HoRoim - they recently held a yortzeit tish for Reb Amrom Bloi. --Eidah 14:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dizzy Gillespie

Category:Dizzy Gillespie - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Category does not meet the exception to the guideline as Gillespie's life is not covered by multiple subarticles that can't otherwise be categorized and interlinked. Otto4711 13:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The guideline is only a guideline, not policy, and it is biased towards deletionism. This category has two subcategories that belong together. Alex Middleton 13:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gary Moore

Category:Gary Moore - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Does not meet the exception stated at the guideline as coverage of Moore's life is not divided into multiple sub-articles that can't be interlinked and elsewhere categorized. Otto4711 13:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:George Strait

Category:George Strait - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategroization. Subject does not meet the exception laid out at the guideline as he does not have multiple subarticles that are not easily interlinked and elsewhere categorized. Otto4711 12:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous musician categories - G

Category:G. Love & Special Sauce - Template:Lc1

Category:Rosie Gaines - Template:Lc1

Category:Serge Gainsbourg - Template:Lc1

Category:Ginger Baker's Air Force - Template:Lc1

Category:Gogmagog (band) - Template:Lc1

Category:Goldfrapp - Template:Lc1

Category:Googoosh - Template:Lc1

Category:Goon Moon - Template:Lc1

Category:Grandaddy - Template:Lc1

Category:Amy Grant - Template:Lc1

Category:Gravity Kills - Template:Lc1

Category:David Gray - Template:Lc1

Category:Green River (band) - Template:Lc1

Category:Grinspoon - Template:Lc1

Category:The Guess Who - Template:Lc1

Category:Gym Class Heroes - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete all - each of these categories consists of one or more (in some cases none) of the subacategories: albums; members; songs; along with the band's article and in some cases a discography. Per precedent this is overcategorization. Otto4711 12:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all of those with two or more subcategories. This group nomination is inappropriate because the nature of the categories varies in regard to the amount of content. Alex Middleton 13:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dark Angel (band)

Category:Dark Angel (band) - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - per consensus, the members and albums subcats plus band article do not warrant an eponymous category for the band. Otto4711 12:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no such consensus. Guidelines are not policies. Alex Middleton 13:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Haskell compilers

Propose renaming Category:Haskell compilers to Category:Haskell implementations

Nominator's rationale: Rename, the category contains not only compilers but also at least one interpreter (Hugs). The proposed new name would also be neutral wrt. the implementation techniques. Tobias Bergemann 12:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Parsers

Propose renaming Category:Parsers to Category:Parser generators

Nominator's rationale: The category contains software tools known as parser generators (i.e. tools used to create parsers based on a formal description of the syntax of a language) not parsers itself. —Tobias Bergemann 11:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bandini

Category:Bandini - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Category has existed for 6 months and has only ever contained a single (nearly eponymous) article. DH85868993 10:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom. The lone article is appropriately categorized and there is no justification for this category. Otto4711 12:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia editing advice

While well-intended, I think this is not such a good idea. This category essentially holds {{essay}}s that are considered "good advice" by some. Like earlier discussions on Template:Featured essay and the like, it is not such a good idea to give the impression that the opinions presented in some essays are more valuable than others, for some arbitrary or subjective reason. Note that pages with "good editing advice" tend to be (or become) {{guideline}}s to begin with. I suggest merging this back into CAT:E. >Radiant< 08:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A very large proportion of all essays convey editing advice, so categorizing all of them together would not be terribly useful, and Radiant is correct in pointing out the problems of categorizing just a favored subset. Small sets of essays are better showcased in userspace lists, or in links from other essays. Note, this cat contains more than essays, and as of right now, all of the true essays remain in CAT:E, so there is no merge necessary. ×Meegs 14:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Science fiction Westerns

Propose renaming Category:Science fiction Westerns to Category:Space Westerns

Nominator's rationale: Rename, Science fiction Western and Space Western are two different things (please read the definitions in the respective articles). Most of the articles listed in this category are for Space Westerns. It's easier to rename this category and remove those that don't fit than to do the reverse. Sorry, I created Category:Space Westerns before thinking of this solution. SharkD 03:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An alternate (though not preferred) solution would be to rename the category Category:Weird Westerns after the Weird West article. This genre is all-inclusive but maybe too broad. SharkD 04:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Files uploaded by User:Jeff G.

Suggest Delete This category contains one page and one picture. I also do not believe it is appropriate to categorize articles/images based on who uploaded them. User are free to create a list in their user space.-Andrew c ^[talk] 01:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. --Eastlaw 07:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User galleries

Suggest Delete This category contains one page and one subpage (nominated also for deletion above). This category is redundant with Category:User page galleries, and the one article in this category isn't even a "gallery" so no sense in merging.-Andrew c ^[talk] 01:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. gidonb 14:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Judges of Northern District of New York

Propose renaming Category:Judges of Northern District of New York to Category:Judges of the United States District Court for the Northern District of New York

Nominator's rationale: Rename in order to be consistent with the current subcategories of Category:United States District Court judges. User who created this category is no longer active. Eastlaw 00:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename for consistency. Also, delete the list in the cat's preamble; a more complete list is in the article, United States District Court for the Northern District of New York. ×Meegs 14:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' as per above. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 14:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - Negative and non-central positional definition. Where it matters, the respective views towards Zionism of these Jewish groups, newspapers and whatever should be discussed in the articles. [[User:Gidonb|gidonb]] 13:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' - completely NPOV. These movements all characterize themselves as anti-Zionist and are WIDELY known for that. I am not going to bow to Zionist heretics who are being controlled by the Soton, having succumbed to the despicable yetzer horo of supporting the impure Zionist lie, may it quickly evaporate and dissolve. IZAK, I had truly not expected you to turn out to be a Zionist. You appeared to be a regular frum Jew who had some yiras shomayim and who was always involved in maintaining NPOV on Jewish subjects. As it turns out, you have sold out to the disgusting traitors and you are working to defend the reshoim. I don't know what to say.
+:Next, your allegations are pure nonsense. Because a category MIGHT become a subject of dispute later on, it should NOW be deleted?! What disgusting nonsense is this?! All of the groups in this category are VIRULENTLY anti-Zionist. Satmar and NK I don't need to explain. Dushinsky and Vizhnitz need no explanation either. Nor should the CRC, Edah, or Shomer Emunim need an explanation. And Mishkenois HoRoim - they recently held a yortzeit tish for Reb Amrom Bloi. --[[User:Eidah|Eidah]] 14:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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