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== [[192.139.153.30]] (our friend from [[Stormfront]]) ==
== [[192.139.153.30]] (our friend from [[Stormfront]]) ==
I am not vandalizing, I am adding content to Wikipedia. You should not allow moderators to abuse their powers. Moderators are violating the very concept of the Wiki Project, that being "open-source." Wikipedia is no longer open-source because moderators have taken it upon themselves to control articles as they see fit. Articles are no longer a collaboration of minds, they are the work of single moderators who refuse to accept facts. Dozens of people are turning away from Wikipedia every day because moderators are reverting any work they contribute. Moderators are supressing education and free-thinking by refusing to allow any new additions that do not comply with their own opinions. Specifically, moderators of Nazi-related articles are the worst, banning anyone who tries to add content. Ironically, they are acting like the very people they claim to despise. As such, I have lost complete faith in the Wiki Project, and I will never again use Wikipedia. Nor will I recommend it to anyone else, as I had done on a daily basis in the past.
I am not vandalizing, I am adding content to Wikipedia. You should not allow moderators to abuse their powers. Moderators are violating the very concept of the Wiki Project, that being "open-source." Wikipedia is no longer open-source because moderators have taken it upon themselves to control articles as they see fit. Articles are no longer a collaboration of minds, they are the work of single moderators who refuse to accept facts. Dozens of people are turning away from Wikipedia every day because moderators are reverting any work they contribute. Moderators are supressing education and free-thinking by refusing to allow any new additions that do not comply with their own opinions. Specifically, moderators of Nazi-related articles are the worst, banning anyone who tries to add content. Ironically, they are acting like the very people they claim to despise. As such, I have lost complete faith in the Wiki Project, and I will never again use Wikipedia. Nor will I recommend it to anyone else, as I had done on a
daily basis in the past.
: Is that a promise? --[[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 02:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
: Is that a promise? --[[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 02:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


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''what's wrong with this version?'' Many, many things. Please read [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)]]. -- [[User:jiy|jiy]]<sup>[[User talk:jiy|Talk]]</sup> 00:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
''what's wrong with this version?'' Many, many things. Please read [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)]]. -- [[User:jiy|jiy]]<sup>[[User talk:jiy|Talk]]</sup> 00:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

== You be a liar ==

I know I left a obscene comment on your talk page. You deserved it, for all of the POV pushing you do. Ruy's comment wasn't nasty, and you know it. You abuse your powers I hope you feel like a bigger person now. You push your POV, you harass other users who do not agree with it, and you regularly insult others so you can push your partisan hippy crap. Good day. [[User:67.18.109.218|67.18.109.218]] 13:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Revision as of 13:47, 14 August 2005

Hello, welcome to my talk page. Please try to keep it relatively organized by posting new topics on the bottom of the page, making relevant headings about your topic and using subheadings, not new headings, for replies. I will almost always reply on this page to messages. I reserve the right to make minor changes of formatting (headings, bolding, etc.) but not content in order to preserve the readablilty of this page. I also reserve the right to delete rude and/or insulting comments once I've warned someone about making such comments. Also, I'm much more informal than this disclaimer implies. Thank you. Rock on.


User:GRider/Schoolwatch

It says clearly "The following schools are under watch for continuous organic growth and improvement". It's up to Grider what kind of article to accept there, and frankly Vfding an article and then listing it there with the tag "Must be saved!" is blantant trollery which you should not be supporting. Kappa 19:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you looked at what you were reverting, you will notice that I removed the "must be saved" comment added by another user and made sure the entry was in the style of others in the same list. The proponents of this schoolwatch project crow about its openness and then when something happens they don't like, you close ranks. So much for openness. Gamaliel 19:49, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is it bad faith? Is it not a school-related article? If you're just telling everyone you don't like to use the other schoolwatch, then is this not just a redundant, exclusionary project? Gamaliel 20:01, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's bad faith because it wasn't listed with any intention of trying to keep or improve the article. It continues to be bad faith because it implies the GRider's schoolwatch would like that article to be kept or improved and it is encouraging people to go and improve it and vote "keep" on it - basically a mean trick. Kappa 20:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see how this is "a mean trick". It's a school-related article on vfd in a list of school-related articles on vfd. You people keep saying that anyone can use these lists regardless of where they side in the school debate; apparently that was just not true. Gamaliel 20:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No need to get snippy. Gamaliel 20:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're making bad-faith, misleading, WP:POINT making additions to another user's page when he isn't in a position to defend himself. The only purpose of listing that article there was to cause trouble, and OK it succeed. Snippiness is a natural reaction. Kappa 20:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you can't abide by the policies Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:Assume good faith, please do not post on my talk page. Gamaliel 20:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Liefeld (again . . . .)

The anonymous anti-Liefeld user who was vandalizing the talk page has started inserting POV comments into the article and otherwise messing up sections of the article against the consensus discussions (which he mostly heckled rather than contributing to). (I assume it's the same guy; he won't log in or sign his posts, but the style doesn't change.) His comments make clear he either doesn't care about NPOV, to whatever little extent he understands it. Following the discussions while the page was protected, I've tried to tone down the POV overtones (mostly removing implications that I actually agree with). Any suggestions, before this goes to hell again? N. Caligon 20:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer this not escalate again, especially since that might attract back the other two, more troublesome anon editors. In the short term, his minor POV edits won't cause much of a problem, so I suggest we just keep working on him to adhere to wiki norms. He's signing his posts now, so I think there is hope. I understand he can be frustrating, but I hope s/he won't spur you on to more attacks or breaking the 3RR or anything else. I'm willing to block the anon immediately if s/he breaks the big rules, but I can't really do that if you're breaking them too. If it gets to the point where I have to start blocking everybody I'll just lock the page again and then we're back where we started. Gamaliel 21:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why you removed some of my comments on the Liefeld talk page as a "personal attack," unless you didn't recognize that "Rebecca Howe" was the Kirstie Alley character on "Cheers," and that there was a specific, humorous reference being made. (Or at least an attempt at humor). I do think the deleted comment about trolling was entirely appropriate; to deny that someone is prominent, and cite dozens of recent posts about him to support the claim, strikes me as so conspicuously illogical as to need no further justification.
And (seriously) what rules are you suggesting I'm breaking, or on the verge of breaking? N. Caligon 23:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Calling someone "too stupid to live" isn't funny, it is an obvious personal attack, even if you are using the words of a sitcom character. Just because you think this person is a troll doesn't give you license to say whatever you want to him. On the whole, you are in the right in this matter, but regardless of that there are some lines you just don't cross, and I'd prefer that you not cross this one again, whether your intentions were humorous or not. Gamaliel 00:01, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, OK, but I thought describing an obviously over-the-top phrase as "the immortal words of Rebecca Howe" should have been enough of a tipoff that I was being tongue-in-cheek (or trying to be). I won't use that joke again here; but I've used it before and it's never been received this way before. And I thought it was recognizable enough as a catchphrase; http://cheers.tvheaven.com/rebecca.html
And in comparison to comments like "Rather than making baseless claims and trying your hardest to justify the underhandedness of Rob Liefelds shady interaction within the industry. Maybe you should study business law" which are clearly intended as "serious" personal attacks . . . N. Caligon 00:34, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I guess two wrongs make a right, then. Have fun arguing with him, I'm going to take this article off my watchlist as it has caused me nothing but weeks of unwanted stress. Gamaliel 01:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying two wrongs make a right. I'm saying there's a difference between a joke that falls flat and a conscious personal attack. N. Caligon 03:21, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

POV on the Axis of Evil article?

Thanks for the heads up. Copperchair 22:36, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do it, then. Copperchair 23:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comic strip

Hi, I wonder if you would know where I can find a specific comic. I can't remember where I found it and I lost it now. There's this superhero or something who thinks "with a little grease I can fit an entire pig in this drawer" while his girlfriend thinks "..he is so FOCUSED". Something like that. I'm asking because if it's copyright-free we could have an article or something about it I want to place it on my user page, it's almost as funny as the one you have. I also wonder if you could find an Ellen Feiss picture and place it on that article (I found your user page through history of that page). Because I'm not sure I can find a copyright-free one, seems you know these matters. Pretty weird requests, eh? :) Thanks in advance. Tkalayci 01:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I have no idea where to find an Ellen Feiss pic. Have you tried the Apple website? Also, that particular comic doesn't seem familiar to me. Perhaps you could try googling variations on that phrase as it seems pretty distinctive. Gamaliel 19:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK thanks, I found the comic, turns out it's Captain RibMan. Do you think it will be deleted? Tkalayci 23:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
People here tend to frown on articles about webcomics with a really low readership, but other than that you should be fine. Your article should specify a few more things, like who creates Captain RibMan and where you can find it - newspapers or online? Gamaliel 23:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's not my article. I don't really know anything about it, except this particular one. I will try to research and expand the article. Thanks. Tkalayci 23:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I just assumed it was yours. Gamaliel 23:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Aftermathrollingstones.jpeg

Image deletion warning Image:Aftermathrollingstones.jpeg has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. If you feel that this image should not be deleted, please go there to voice your opinion.

It's unused, and there's a used, higher-quality version at Image:Aftermath.rollingstones.usalbum.cover.jpg --Mairi 06:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. Gamaliel 06:45, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for spam... I notice you added a test note...

I am currently in discussions with Ozemail regarding persistent vandalism that has been occuring from the following IP addresses in their network:


I need assistance with all the specific items of vandalism. I have setup a page to gather this evidence at User:Ta bu shi da yu/Ozemail.

I need your help! Please use the format:

We'll see just how good their service is at responding to this sort of thing - we should be supporting any company that assists us. Therefore, I'm hoping that the Wikipedia spirit of cooperation and immense amount of volunteers will help with tracking down vandal edits.

If Ozemail gives a good response, we can use them as an example of a good ISP, and maybe even shame AOL into assisting us (we get lots of vandalism from them).

Ta bu shi da yu 01:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


192.139.153.30 (our friend from Stormfront)

I am not vandalizing, I am adding content to Wikipedia. You should not allow moderators to abuse their powers. Moderators are violating the very concept of the Wiki Project, that being "open-source." Wikipedia is no longer open-source because moderators have taken it upon themselves to control articles as they see fit. Articles are no longer a collaboration of minds, they are the work of single moderators who refuse to accept facts. Dozens of people are turning away from Wikipedia every day because moderators are reverting any work they contribute. Moderators are supressing education and free-thinking by refusing to allow any new additions that do not comply with their own opinions. Specifically, moderators of Nazi-related articles are the worst, banning anyone who tries to add content. Ironically, they are acting like the very people they claim to despise. As such, I have lost complete faith in the Wiki Project, and I will never again use Wikipedia. Nor will I recommend it to anyone else, as I had done on a daily basis in the past.

Is that a promise? --Nandesuka 02:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thank you for your fast response to the ridiculous vandalism on Beyond Good and Evil and its related entries. --Nandesuka 21:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. It's actually kind of fun playing whack a mole with these sockpuppets. ;) Gamaliel 21:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

UF Establishment

Do you think some kind of dispute resolution is needed? Kushboy 22:34, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Not particularly, but I will of course participate in any resolution process. Perhaps just an WP:RfC listing for now? Gamaliel 22:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was thinking that. I'll list it. Kushboy 22:50, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Stolen Honor again...

Hi, Gamaliel -- TDC is over at Stolen Honor, removing what he calls "irrelevant" information about Sherwood (i.e. Frontline showing that what he called an "independent investigation" wasn't.) I'm already at my limit of reverts. You might want to stop by and take a look at what TDC thinks is less "POV". -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:08, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping to never have to deal with TDC again, but I guess that was an idle fantasy... I'll stop by. Gamaliel 06:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Killers

what's wrong with this version? Many, many things. Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). -- jiyTalk 00:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

You be a liar

I know I left a obscene comment on your talk page. You deserved it, for all of the POV pushing you do. Ruy's comment wasn't nasty, and you know it. You abuse your powers I hope you feel like a bigger person now. You push your POV, you harass other users who do not agree with it, and you regularly insult others so you can push your partisan hippy crap. Good day. 67.18.109.218 13:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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