Talk:Pete Doherty

This is a good article - clearly written by someone who knows a fair bit about Doherty - but the tone is not quite right for an encyclopedia entry. It's a bit adulatory (which is fine - nothing wrong with enthusiasm!), but it would be more credible if it was more objective. Also, some discussion of recent press coverage of Doherty's relationship with Kate Moss, and his ongoing drug problems, would be interesting. Rayray 16:27, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What is the deal with libel?

How do the ridiculous British libel laws apply to Wikipedia? As an American, I don't feel particularly compelled to restepc them. In any event, pop stars and other irritations are common fodder for gossip columnists and whoever else and I don't think we ought to worry about libel, just accuracy or veracity or whatever you want to call it. Kate Moss has unbelievably horrible taste in men, and why does a guy so scrawny and tiny get into fistfights? It's not rational. Is there a Wikipedia standard on how much blathering and speculation we should include about pop stars and models and famous goons? I don't suppose we have a shortage of space.

Homo-erotic relationship with Carl Barat

Unfortunately, interesting as the point is, saying that Barat and Doherty's relationship is "widely rumoured" to be "homerotic" is still probably libellous. Where has this rumour been printed? All I can find online is an interview in which they *deny* any homosexual overtones to their relationship. Perhaps it might be better to cite examples (ideally specific instances!) - kissing, microphone sharing - as described later in the article? Otherwise, the rumours are just a rumour, and not the stuff encyclopedias are made of. I don't mean to be nitpicking, but this is worth getting right. Rayray 28 June 2005 08:17 (UTC)

This is interesting material (ditto the rentboy reference) but, in my opinion, needs to be supported with citations (official band biogs, press clippings, etc.) or else it might possibly be libellous. Rayray 12:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Neither Pete Doherty or Carl Barat are bisexual/homosexual. I've followed the band since 2002 and the relationship has only ever been a friendship, albeit a strong one. There should not be a link to "bisexual musicians" at the bottom of this page as Pete Doherty is not bisexual, and nor is Carl Barat, both being straight. I can guarantee this.

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http://www.pete-doherty.net/

Jackliddle 23:10, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so, at least not in the current version. I think the earliest version of this article was largely copied from a single interview, and the website you mention above, but I rewrote and restructured the current edit. Happy to address this issue, though, if you can point out the particular areas of concern. Thanks. Rayray 09:20, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, a lot of stuff looks like it came straight off the Bio page, about his early life and his good grades, the "two year old son", maybe a citation link to the bio page for that info would suffice? I also agree that there has been a great number of changes since then, although the structure remains similar -- this page needs a better structure and more on his work with The Libertines (much more then just two sentences). I'd reccomend chapter listings but it's hard to disconnect say "The Libertines" and "substance abuse". --Poorpete 14:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure about more info on the Libertines here - the linked Libertines page ought to cover most of the information about the band, I think (although I don't feel strongly about it). I'm not sure the content of a biography, unless it contains substantial new research (like the recent Dirk Bogarde book) can be copyrighted, presuming that it's based on fact. Also, most of the information in the original version of this article crops up in similar form in several sources - the Independent interview, for example, which unfortunately now seems to have disappeared. I'm guessing both the pete-doherty.net article and the independent interview are partly based on Doherty's official press biography. As for the structure, it probably could do with more work, but as it's basically chronological, doesn't seem too controversial to me. Anyway, look forward to seeing some further revisions! Rayray 15:11, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oxford

Someone's edited the article to say Doherty began a course at Oxford rather than London University, I'm pretty sure that's wrong!

A few minor amendments

I have made a few minor adjustments, such as For Lovers being essentially a Wolfman single, pete is technically credited as a feature. Also Babyshambles have only one single so far, Killamangiro, the song Babyshambles was released as a Peter Doherty solo credit.

As for the homo-erotic rumour, it has been widely published in the NME and has indeed been put to both of them as a question in an NME interview around the time of the March 2004 Libertines UK tour. I have a picture of them microphone sharing which illustrates the homo-erotic nature as described, from the 2003 gig in Chatham immediately after Pete's release.