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Mark A. Gabriel

Delete. Probably a hoax and all of the information that would help readers to judge the matter keeps getting deleted. --Ian Pitchford 17:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can I advise editors also to read Talk:Mark A. Gabriel for some germane discussion. -Splash 18:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a notably published author with a book ranked 17,677 on Amazon Books. Any non-factual or non-verifiable information should be removed. Hall Monitor 18:29, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is a notable author who specializes in his field. Just because you have a crusade against this guy, doesn't mean you can erase all information on him, or deligitimize him with hatchetjob article editing.Guy Montag 20:40, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd like to see credible evidence of his existence, notability and specialism. You're the one erasing information that would allow all of these to be assessed by readers. --Ian Pitchford 20:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - He has a book, its best selling, it exists. What am I supposed to do, pull his birth certificate? Guy Montag 20:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
How about maintaining civility, gentlemen? I suggest a nice cup of coffee followed by 5 minutes of thinking about kittens. Fernando Rizo T/C 21:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
17,677 is "best selling"? Zoe 21:09, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
- I don't know if 17,677 is necessarily "best selling", but it is a relatively high ranking. Perhaps it is best-selling in a specific genre or category, but not one that I am aware of. Hall Monitor 21:16, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am sufficiently concerned about the facts I have been able to check to be skeptical about the whole story. He doesn't run his own website - it's run by someone called Bradlee Sargent from an Arabic Evangelical Church in Florida. He doesn't have a PhD from "Florida Christian University" because there's no such university. There's no trace of the organization "Hope for the Nations" that he is said to run. Why does he use genuine quotations from Yusuf Ali's translation of the Qur'an interspersed with new translations? Where's the evidence of his activities in the US? Why does he provide a complete biography plus a photograph but no details that could be verified with his Mosque or Al-Azhar University? Gabriel could be who he says he is, but I'd like to see appropriate evidence. For someone who's published four books since 1997 under two different names he's somewhat elusive. --Ian Pitchford 21:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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 *17,677 is "best selling"?  [[User:Zoe|Zoe]] 21:09, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
 ** I don't know if 17,677 is necessarily "best selling", but it is a relatively high ranking.  Perhaps it is best-selling in a specific genre or category, but not one that I am aware of.  [[User:Hall Monitor|Hall Monitor]] 21:16, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
+***I am sufficiently concerned about the facts I have been able to check to be skeptical about the whole story. He doesn't run his own website - it's run by someone called Bradlee Sargent from an Arabic Evangelical Church in Florida. He doesn't have a PhD from "Florida Christian University" because there's no such university. There's no trace of the organization "Hope for the Nations" that he is said to run. Why does he use genuine quotations from Yusuf Ali's translation of the Qur'an interspersed with new translations? Where's the evidence of his activities in the US? Why does he provide a complete biography plus a photograph but no details that could be verified with his Mosque or Al-Azhar University? Gabriel could be who he says he is, but I'd like to see appropriate evidence. For someone who's published four books since 1997 under two different names he's somewhat elusive. --[[User:Ian Pitchford|Ian Pitchford]] 21:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)