Talk:Turki al-Hamad

I´m glad to see this stub expanded! Just 2 notes: Is book no. 3 in the triology translated to English? I don´t think so? I cannot find any reference to an English ed. And should it be in the bibliography if it is (yet) only available in Arabic? I belive he has published about 14 books in Arabic.

-also: the date, 1998, must be wrong? "Adama" came first in Arabic in 1998, I belive "Karadib" (<-that is what my english version of "Adama" calls the third book in the series) was first published in Arabic in 2002. I suggest that this book is moved out of the Bibliography (perhaps renaming it: "Bibliography, in English" -or something like that.)

PS: I just changed the date: now it was contradicting the text "After the first, in 1999, Crown Prince Abdullah, who succeeded to the throne in August 2005, offered him bodyguards for his protection. The next three were issued by the country's religious clerics after the publication of the third in the trilogy, Karadib". But I´m not 100% sure that 2002 is correct! Huldra 02:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I got confused about the dates too. I think only the first two are translated. I took the 1998 date for Karadib from Amazon. [1] But you're right: it seems to make no sense in terms of the chronology. I may try to find an e-mail address for Saqi books and ask them for the correct dates, and for the names of his other books. I have no objection if you want to move Karadib into a separate section, or remove it entirely.

Regarding his birth place, I took out the reference to his "native Saudi Arabia" because I recall reading somewhere that he was born in Jordan, though now I can't find a reference for that, but I'll keep on looking. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I also meant to say thanks for creating the article. He's an interesting writer. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes: he is an interesting writer (though I´m not sure I will say that he is a great writer) ..anyway: I removed Karadib, the ref. you gave clearly say that the book is in arabic. (It will be translated though; according to the Daily Star ref. it will come "in a years time" from Jan.-05) Also: I´m still completely confused as to when Karadib was first published. I see several ref. to the book first published in 1998, but the Time mag. article say 2000.

Also: about his birth place: In the publishers note in Adama it says: "Despite being officially banned in several countries throughout the Middle East, including the author´s native Saudi Arabia, Adama attained bestseller status within one month of its initial printing in 1998." That is the Saqi, 2003 ed. I cannot remember seeing anything about him being born in Jordan, are you sure you are not mixing him up with Abdulrahman Munif? ..I first heard of Turki al-Hamad on Saudi webloggers pages, and they certainly talk of him as "their own". Huldra 14:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The Winds of Paradise published, ref: NYT, June 9th: http://www.metransparent.com/texts/neil_macfarquhar_saudi_reformers_seeking_rights_paying_a_price.htm -Huldra

Hi Huldra, I found a reference for his being born in Jordan here and I'll shortly add this, and other information from the article. A word about the references section: this is for articles and books that were actually used in the compilation of the page. Further reading is for material that wasn't actually used, but which the reader might nevertheless find interesting in relation to the subject.

Also, I made this invisible, as it's not clear. "One fatwa was later withdrawn. According to Ain-Al-Yaqeen in 2003, Sheikh Ali Al-Khudair, a well-known Saudi scholar who was arrested in Madinah for supporting terrorist attacks, had repented. In an interview with Saudi television, conducted by Sheikh Aaid Al-Qarn, Sheikh Al-Khudair withdrew the fatwas he had issued declaring the Saudi thinkers Turki Al-Hamad, Mansour Al-Naqeedan and Abdullah Abusamh as infidel."

According to this publication in 2003, or he withdrew it in 2003? Al-Khudair repented? Do you mean withdrew the fatwa? Then you refer to an interview with Saudi tv, so are you quoting the newspaper quoting the interview? If so, you should make that clear. Also, no need to say who conducted the interview unless it's pertinent. And you say he withdrew the fatwas, plural, yet earlier you say only one was withdrawn, though I'm assuming you're including the ones against the others, but it's unclear from the writing. Finally, any source linked to should ideally be added as a full citation to the References section. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 16:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I've added that he was born in Jordan, created different sections and an intro, as it was getting too long for one section, and I've reduced the material about the withdrawn fatwa to one short sentence, linking to the source, which is now added to References.

For future reference, it's best not to copy what you find in the sources word for word, unless you quote them and attribute it e.g. "thinly disguised sketch of the lives of ..." and that the Sheikh "repented." Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)