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Working on both articles as we speak. I'll hit you back once I'm done. --[[User:Caponer|Caponer]] ([[User talk:Caponer|talk]]) 22:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Working on both articles as we speak. I'll hit you back once I'm done. --[[User:Caponer|Caponer]] ([[User talk:Caponer|talk]]) 22:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
*[[Prince Ferdinand of Bavaria]] and [[Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain]]. Have at 'em. --[[User:Caponer|Caponer]] ([[User talk:Caponer|talk]]) 03:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
*[[Prince Ferdinand of Bavaria]] and [[Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain]]. Have at 'em. --[[User:Caponer|Caponer]] ([[User talk:Caponer|talk]]) 03:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Maria Thayer ==

Just wondering why you reverted my edits to her filmography. Just so you know, Wikipedia filmographies don't include DVD extras, and they also don't list the episodes that someone starred in. Other than that, I didn't remove anything. Besides, it looks far better in a table format than an unruly list. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 19:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:First of all, please remember to be [[WP:CIVIL|civil]]. There's no use to bite anyone's head off over some constructive criticism. There is no problem with adding information where none exists. However, there IS a problem with erasing good work done by other editors with no regard for their contributions. IMDB, not Wikipedia is generally the place for episode lists and DVD extras, not Wikipedia. (And yes, those entries WERE DVD extras. They were not released separately, and they were made solely as a companion piece to the main film. They don't belong on Wikipedia, save for a brief mention on the [[Accepted]] page.) It's better to have a nice, neat table that lists the more pertinent information in a readable manner than to have a messy gob of information that doesn't add much to the article over a table. I really am trying to be constructive here. If you have any other problems or questions in regard to this or whatever else, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 14:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::I know that they were DVD extras because I own the DVD. They are short behind-the-scenes extras made specifically for the DVD release. There is a difference between a documentary about a film and a DVD extra. Something like [[Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse]] or [[American Movie]] are documentaries about the making of a film. "Adam's Accepted Chronicles" and "Reject Nation: The Making of Accepted" are DVD extras. Also, please remember that [[WP:IINFO|Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]]. Places like IMDB exist for minute detail about films and the people who make them. Wikipedia does not. Wikipedia's purpose is to distill the information so that mostly the notable information remains. Besides, there is a link to her IMDB page in the article itself, so there is nothing stopping a reader from finding that information in one click. And despite your assertions to the contrary, I am being constructive. I'm trying to help and you are responding with hostility. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The biggest question is what is [[WP:NOTABLE|notable]]. It's not a matter of picking and choosing information for the sake of it, it's discriminatly including information that is notable, and not every behind-the-scenes DVD featurette and commentary that someone appears in. I say again, the place for this information is IMDB, not Wikipedia. It doesn't need every bit of detail to be the most comprehensive encyclopedia on the planet. If that were the case, then it would include every garage band that anyone decided to put on here, and any struggling actor or actress trying to get a role. I've tried being civil, but if you continue to act with such disregard and malicious indignation I will be forced to take this to an administrator. Also, it's very difficult to have a discussion with you when you continue to delete my messages. I don't understand why you're getting so angry when I'm trying to have a conversation with you. I'd appreciate it if you could calm down and discuss this without erasing comments that you deem "negative". [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 14:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Then if I try to get this resolved, you need to keep these comments on your talk page, at least for a little while. If I try to get mediation, then the mediators will need to see the full extent of our conversations to fully understand the problem. Please do not delete this again until it's over. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 15:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::That isn't how this works. A talk page isn't a vanity page that is supposed to look pretty and great, it is a means for communications to be utilized by editors. My interest is in getting this issue resolved. I have never been confrontational, and you have been nothing but. Trust me, once this is resolved you can delete whatever you want from your talk page. But for now, for the purpose of having this conversation, it needs to stay. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Likewise, it should also be noted that a mediation is not just something that you let happen and hear the result. You need to agree to mediation and be actively involved. [[User:Rwiggum|<span style="color: #4B5320;">Rwiggum</span>]] (<sup>[[User talk:Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Talk</b></font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rwiggum|<font color="Black"><b>Contrib</b></font>]]</sub>) 15:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== December 2008 ==
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Nogueira Ferrão

You may be interested in cleaning up the article Nogueira Ferrão. Cheers. The Ogre (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposition

Working on both articles as we speak. I'll hit you back once I'm done. --Caponer (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Thayer

Just wondering why you reverted my edits to her filmography. Just so you know, Wikipedia filmographies don't include DVD extras, and they also don't list the episodes that someone starred in. Other than that, I didn't remove anything. Besides, it looks far better in a table format than an unruly list. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 19:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, please remember to be civil. There's no use to bite anyone's head off over some constructive criticism. There is no problem with adding information where none exists. However, there IS a problem with erasing good work done by other editors with no regard for their contributions. IMDB, not Wikipedia is generally the place for episode lists and DVD extras, not Wikipedia. (And yes, those entries WERE DVD extras. They were not released separately, and they were made solely as a companion piece to the main film. They don't belong on Wikipedia, save for a brief mention on the Accepted page.) It's better to have a nice, neat table that lists the more pertinent information in a readable manner than to have a messy gob of information that doesn't add much to the article over a table. I really am trying to be constructive here. If you have any other problems or questions in regard to this or whatever else, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 14:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know that they were DVD extras because I own the DVD. They are short behind-the-scenes extras made specifically for the DVD release. There is a difference between a documentary about a film and a DVD extra. Something like Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse or American Movie are documentaries about the making of a film. "Adam's Accepted Chronicles" and "Reject Nation: The Making of Accepted" are DVD extras. Also, please remember that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Places like IMDB exist for minute detail about films and the people who make them. Wikipedia does not. Wikipedia's purpose is to distill the information so that mostly the notable information remains. Besides, there is a link to her IMDB page in the article itself, so there is nothing stopping a reader from finding that information in one click. And despite your assertions to the contrary, I am being constructive. I'm trying to help and you are responding with hostility. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The biggest question is what is notable. It's not a matter of picking and choosing information for the sake of it, it's discriminatly including information that is notable, and not every behind-the-scenes DVD featurette and commentary that someone appears in. I say again, the place for this information is IMDB, not Wikipedia. It doesn't need every bit of detail to be the most comprehensive encyclopedia on the planet. If that were the case, then it would include every garage band that anyone decided to put on here, and any struggling actor or actress trying to get a role. I've tried being civil, but if you continue to act with such disregard and malicious indignation I will be forced to take this to an administrator. Also, it's very difficult to have a discussion with you when you continue to delete my messages. I don't understand why you're getting so angry when I'm trying to have a conversation with you. I'd appreciate it if you could calm down and discuss this without erasing comments that you deem "negative". Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 14:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then if I try to get this resolved, you need to keep these comments on your talk page, at least for a little while. If I try to get mediation, then the mediators will need to see the full extent of our conversations to fully understand the problem. Please do not delete this again until it's over. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 15:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't how this works. A talk page isn't a vanity page that is supposed to look pretty and great, it is a means for communications to be utilized by editors. My interest is in getting this issue resolved. I have never been confrontational, and you have been nothing but. Trust me, once this is resolved you can delete whatever you want from your talk page. But for now, for the purpose of having this conversation, it needs to stay. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise, it should also be noted that a mediation is not just something that you let happen and hear the result. You need to agree to mediation and be actively involved. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 15:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

December 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on User talk:Rwiggum. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 14:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]