User talk:A Man In Black

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Angry Video Game Nerd

I appreciate your work to maintain the quality of Wikipedia articles, but I am confused why you continue to delete notability information. The references used on the page are completely independent of the show and are automatically generated by the YouTube system. This is something completely out of the control of the channel's owner. It does show notability because rankings are based directly on subscriptions. Some are more meaningful than others. The global ones are significant while I freely admit the other ones (such as director) represent a subsection which might give statistically misleading results. Would you be opposed to maintaining the global stats and removing the non-global ones?

The show is extremely popular in the gaming community - especially the retro-gaming community. I am a member of the retro-community (in fact I hopefully will finish a homebrew by the end of the year (cartridge and all) - ugh, the old systems are not easy to code! :)

This is not the case of "fanboyism" - at least not in my case. I am quite fond of the "Ask ThatGuy" series, but it certainly hasn't reached notability. The stats on that site are his, and thus untrustworthy. I am also not just another user. I have created quite a few SVGs for the site - the California Flag included. Anyway, have a great day/night (whichever side of this crazy orb you live). Cheers -DevinCook (talk) 10:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Because they aren't in any sense notability information. They're badly sourced claims. Automatically generated rankings are transitory, and imply no particular importance unless they're superlative. Being the top-ranked creator on YouTube is worthy of note; being one of dozens of "highly-ranked" creators is not. We need a source taking note of these rankings, not simply an auto-generated site listing "This is the 38th-most-popular video in Arbitrary Category!" It's not that they're not trustworthy; it's that they're not important. We need a source that isn't Rolfe's own YouTube profile. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you ever expand articles? I'm trying to find article work, but all I find is, "revert, revert, revert, remove, remove, revert, revert." Your user page also insists that this is your only function on this project. The prolonged edit war on Angry Video Game Nerd is getting very frustrating. It's like 3RR, but you drag it out over a period of months rather than a day. At least you've stopped with the deliberately deceptive edit summaries to remove more sourced information than stated.. for now. Due to that incident, I am still not convinced that you aren't just chipping away at this article until you can rush it to AFD and have it speedy deleted after a three hour discussion. Vodello (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Did you have a point, or were you here to heap personal abuse on me? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 14:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

For fuck's sake. The point is that you're dangerously close to WP:3RR violations with the article, you've been blocked from Wikipedia 10 TIMES in the past for 3RR, you've been warned many more times about 3RR, and the only way you've 'learned' from all of your previous blocks is that you wait an extra 12 hours before continuing your revert war to sneak around this site's rules. This is completely irresponsible and unbecoming of any Wikipedia Administrator, and it needs to stop immediately. Vodello (talk) 16:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I think things are getting a bit tense over this article and have asked for help at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Few_week_long_edit_war.3F as perhaps some kind of mediation may help? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 10:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe I'm doing this again

I can't believe that I am having this argument over the Buffy episodes again, but here we go...

1. If you have a problem with unreferenced facts, LOOK UP THE REFERENCES YOURSELF!!! Honestly, these references can be found with a little work, and I have proven that. Instead of taking the 5 seconds to delete everything, take the 10 minutes to be a constructive Wikipedian, ya' know... not a dick, and look up the references yourself.
2. Nowhere, ANYWHERE, does it say in any of the Wikipedia rules that the title used for an episode in a foreign country (they are not straight translations, but the titles used in other countries where the show airs) is not allowed.
3. Those "fansites" that you called "inappropriate" for "The Wish" were not in any way user supported and, given that the facts the site was used as a reference for hardly need a citation anyway and I only put them there to attempt to soothe you, it hardly matters that the website is not the epitome of scholarly thought.

I have other grievances, but, as usual, thinking about you makes my head hurt. kingdom2 (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I know you will probably say "add the references yourself", but that is not the point. I should not have to come in behind you, clean up your mess, and take time out of my day that shouldn't have been taken, when you could have just as easily added the references in the first place. Or, better yet, if you do not have the time or feel you lack the expertise in the subject, just add {{cn}} to the unreferenced material. That is what that template is for, after all. You point out what you have a problem with and I assure you that my fellow Wikipedians and I will do our best to try and conform the articles to your ridiculously impossible standards. kingdom2 (talk) 01:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you should have to do it in the first place. In most cases, these speculative, OR-filled sections have been sitting for months untouched. "My impossible standards" are not my standards nor are they impossible: they are this project's standards, and content that does not or cannot meet them needs to be removed.

Now, if all you have to offer is calling me a dick, we're done here. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That is by far not all I have to offer. I am not the original writer of most of these facts so I cannot be there to put in the references. However, it is common courtesy to provide warnings first. Put up the cn or the "needs references" templates. Even if you for some reason do not feel the need to be constructive, you can still be courteous and give us a chance. You are also deleting things that are easily verifiable without sources, for example from "The Wish":

• Giles mentions that Cleveland is a center of demonic activity. It is later revealed in the final episode of the series that the city has its own Hellmouth.
• The character Anya makes her first appearance.
• Vampire Willow returns in "Doppelgängland".
• Merchant Of Venice: The Master says "What news on the Rialto", a direct quote from the Shakespeare play.

All of the above are easily verifiable facts that should not require sources. The first three can be found in the related Buffy articles, and the last one can be found by running "What news on the Rialto" through Google. These things should not need sources.

Also, nowhere in WP:NOT did I find anything about translations, which, once again, they are not. What you are deleting is not the translation of the title but the title of the episode as it was run in other countries, which is usually quite different. For example, in the U.S. it was "The Wish", but in Germany it was "What if..." and in France it was "Best Wishes from Cordelia".

You also did not respond to issue number 3. kingdom2 (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

You're here telling me that it's okay to have evaluative claims without sources other than the works of fiction themselves. This isn't acceptable, it wasn't acceptable last time, it's not acceptable this time. As for titles, seriously, take it to TV Tome, we don't do translation or localization guides on this project. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Says who? Unless you can show me a rule that states that the titles are not allowed, you have no basis for your argument. Also the bullets I listed are not evaluative claims. One simply references the final episode, two others refer to the fact that characters reappear - no evaluation there, just need eyeballs for that - and the other one points out that the episode happens to contain a direct quote from a very famous piece of literature. There is no evaluation. One does not have to sit and ponder the meanings of these things and type them out. They are plain, easily verifiable, facts.

You did not address the point about leaving up the templates and you still did not respond to issue number 3. kingdom2 (talk) 04:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I must go to sleep but I plan to continue this tomorrow. kingdom2 (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

You've stated that you want to write an interlinked episode guide to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That's great. Do it in a project that does that, because we're NOT the project where you post things you noticed that are interesting from various episodes. If an "easily verified fact" is verified by watching all of the episodes and making the same conclusions you did, you're on the wrong project.

If you cannot be bothered to explain what you mean by "point 3", I can't be bothered to satisfy you. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Not sure why I'm really going into detail for someone who started things off by calling me a dick, but what the hell, I'm bored.

Buffyguide.com is a self-published fansite. So says the author/maintainer/webmaster: "So anyway, I'm Jamie Marie, and I do... everything. All of the actual writing and updating of all the site's contents, including the episode guide, all other sections and updates, all technical dealings, all email reading/replying, etc."

Whatever this is, it's clearly someone's fanpage hosted on their ISP's free webspace.

These are not reliable sources for commentary on anything. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 14:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Where, then, is your rationale for deleting the translation sections, because it is not in WP:NOT. kingdom2 (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:NOTDICDEF. I'm curious; where's your rationale for retaining them? Because it's not in any policy I know of that we have exhaustive lists of all of the translated names of episodes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 18:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

They are not translations for the umpteenth time, they are the titles of the episodes as aired in other countries. And there is still nothing in that link, whatsoever, that lists why they must be deleted. There is absolutely nothing there and nothing in there could even hope to be extrapolated to this situation. kingdom2 (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

So where's the policy requiring we catalog every alternate-language name? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 23:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

You know what, take your WP:POV and your WP:IDONTLIKEIT and shove it! Your argument for why it can't be here is the exact same argument for why it can. If it does not say yes, then delete - conversely, if it does not say no, then let it in. There is no winning in this stupid, circular argument because you shove everything into your own POV to the point where no one can win against your almost inhuman capacity for stubbornness and tendentiousness. What is the big fucking deal. I have destroyed completely your argument and I have proven that the bylaws that you have been quoting to which ban the titles do not exist, you have no leg to stand on, and yet you continue to the point where any sane person would read your argument and say "What is wrong with this guy?" The power of adminship has gone to your head and you have gotten to the point where you think you can push everyone around and mold Wikipedia to fit with your liking. Well guess what, all you have is WP:POV and WP:IDONTLIKEIT and a horrible case of sore-loserness.

And at the end of the day, I have still defeated your argument. kingdom2 (talk) 02:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not my rationale, it's simply me pointing out that policy doesn't cover inclusion or exclusion of every single thing. Policy is not bylaws and strictures, but instead principles and guidelines. WP:NOT excludes translation guides; how is it unreasonable to conclude from this that localization guides are also inappropriate for the same reason? It's trivial information of little use to an English-speaker, is already included in the interwiki links, and in this case isn't sourced to anything reliable save personal observation of the television shows themselves.

If you can't refrain from calling me a dick and telling me to shove it, I don't know what we're going to accomplish here. I'm especially baffled about you going on about being an admin; I've been an admin for a very long time, and it didn't in any practical sense change my views on how to organize and cover pop-culture articles. (Take a look at this, from nearly four years ago.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

No, WP:NOT does not cover translations guides. The word "translation" is not even on that page, and, once again, these are not translations. You still have not provided me with any concrete argument for banning this content not founded in POV or "I don't want it to look like that." I honestly cannot believe that you haven't seen your lack of argument. I will back off, though, if you copy and paste from WP:NOT the lines where what I am asking for is forbidden. The exact words, not "it is excluded, trust me on it". kingdom2 (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

You didn't address anything other than the the first half of the third sentence of what I said. Let me try again.

It's not my rationale, it's simply me pointing out that policy doesn't cover inclusion or exclusion of every single thing. Policy is not bylaws and strictures, but instead principles and guidelines. Localization guides are trivial information of little use to an English-speaker, are already included in the interwiki links, and in this case aren't sourced to anything reliable save personal observation of the television shows themselves. How does lawyering about the exact wording of policies address this?

If you need, I can emphasize the bit that's the unaddressed argument. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

But you seem to be missing the point. You kept saying, again and again, that it is excluded according to WP:NOT - that is exactly what you have said since the beginning - but that simply isn't true. What it really comes down to is the fact that it is neither included or excluded, which means that a decision has to be reached which involves a consensus agreement, not the I-decree-it so-instant-delete-without-asking-anyone method that you have been using. This brings me all the way back to my original point, which is that you do not consult or talk to any other users before deleting entire sections of pages, in most cases over half of them. Axing the hard work of others without so much as an offer to discuss on how it can be improved is just downright dickishness. And act all offended at that comment you want, it doesn't make it any less true. kingdom2 (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

"Mwahaha! I've proven WP:NOT doesn't explicitly disallow what I want, and thus you have to allow it!" is not terribly moving. Localization guides are trivial information of little use to an English-speaker, are already included in the interwiki links, and in this case aren't sourced to anything reliable save personal observation of the television shows themselves. How does lawyering about the exact wording of policies address this? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

This time you only addressed the first part of my second sentence. My beef here is that you are exercising POV and IDONTLIKEIT (that is exactly what those italics say, just put into the kind of words that give it authority) and you are NOT discussing major alterations and deletions to articles. It's common courtesy. kingdom2 (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Consensus agreement arrives by discussion, not by blandly asserting that you have more support thus you are right. Localization guides are trivial information of little use to an English-speaker, are already included in the interwiki links, and in this case aren't sourced to anything reliable save personal observation of the television shows themselves. How does lawyering about the exact wording of policies address this? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

That's it. I give up. It is clear that you will never learn to be capable of playing well with others and that my attempt to bring some change is equal to screaming at a brick wall. You clearly are incapable of changing that everything that you wrote in bold is your words, not Wikipedia's, so they bear no weight whatsoever. I'm out. kingdom2 (talk) 04:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

My words, and your words, are Wikipedia's. Rules aren't handed down from on high...they're written by users, based on recurring, effective arguments. If you're not willing to address my arguments or offer any of your own, how can any decision be reached? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

00 page lock

Since you locked the page, I was wondering if you could replace all instances of "Empress" with "Empruss" as per this months Hobby Japan. Tempest115 (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd suggest proposing it on talk, with the {{editprotected}} template. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Mother 3

Yeah, I just wrote the plot very long so I can trim it down to the important content. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 16:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, cool. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 02:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I reduced it to four paragraphs, I think that that's acceptable. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Splattered shit...

...sure that's what it it means. Not necessarily a reason to remove it, esp. not since it a. was featured in an academic publication and b. made the papers. Is your removal a matter of taste? Mind you, that the sociologist mentioned it in her book was not because it was so unusual, but because it says something about how the Dutch deal with physicality. Sure, you may not like it, and the man in black would never have said it to June--but I call my daughter 'poepje,' and that's not a 'one-off.' Drmies (talk) 15:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It was featured in an academic publication as a term of endearment used by exactly one person. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

That said, "little shit" isn't an unheard of term of endearment in English either. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Rinoa Heartilly

Delisted it, reduced it to C, modified the appropriate pages. Started a discussion here for it if you're interested.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose?

Your opinion on WP:FICT is unclear, do you oppose? If so, I suggest putting *'''Oppose''' thanks Ikip (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

What's unclear about saying it doesn't solve the problems and is wrongheaded? I don't want this to be any more of a poll than it already is, and my comments are unambiguous. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, we both see that, but will a closing admin? That was my only concern. But it is up to you. Ikip (talk) 04:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

If the closing admin isn't reading that closely, we're all fucked anyway. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The editor I directed those comments too on the RfC opened the door to personal conduct today. I attempted to delete those quoted comments twice, and the editor continued to revert.

only then did I brought up the deletion and the troll comment.

I don't see how your very public comments help anything.Ikip (talk) 05:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

No. There is not an "opened door" to editor conduct. Don't personalize this, it's enough of a mess as it is. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:28, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Should I refactor out the comments? Ikip (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I refactored the comments out, if you could remove your rfc conduct message, that would be divine. Ikip (talk) 06:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to remove my response. Digging through that mess gives me a migraine. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I refactored out all of my comments regarding the editor. :) Ikip (talk) 06:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I had to refactor my own rebuke. Come on, vaguely-targeted accusations of elitism aren't much better. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

You simply can't please everyone, and some people you can never please. Ikip (talk) 06:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to make accusations? "Disagree does not automatically misunderstand. Excluding opinions is folly when this guideline would affect one quarter of Wikipedia articles." All you lose is doing the exact same thing you accuse other people of doing and calling people elitists. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

How would you word it? I would appreciate if you message me the criticisms in the future, instead of making your criticisms on the RfC. Outside observers read this, and it makes the position we both support look weaker. Yes, my accusations already make our position weaker, but rebukes from those who support my position make it look even worse. In addition, in the past, has criticizing those who support your position rally those editors or demoralize them? Please consider this. Ikip (talk) 07:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I refactored it. thanks. Ikip (talk) 07:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding [1] and [2]...

Thanks! The IP, however, thinks your and DGG's warnings are "hilariously poorly formatted." I really wonder who's behind this one! Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and did this on the grounds that, honestly, c'mon. --Kizor 21:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Appreciated. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you archive my comment without responding to it? ~AH1^(TCU) 16:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Because I didn't see it. What did you need? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 13:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

• [3]
• "...Inclusionist/Deletionist Bout #227585432: Now It's Personal..."

For giving me a good laugh today : ) - jc37 00:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

And a laugh is about all WP:FICT is good for, amirite? :D

Man, people are taking this stuff too seriously. Me too sometimes, I fear. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

There are times... : )

Personally, I think the solution that everyone could swallow would be just to follow WP:SIZE on all of this. Consider all information in a single article. Then imagine what sections would need to be split due to length/presentation and coverage. Lists and tables are usually the first to be split. Individual character/location/object/concept/volume/episode articles should only be subsequently split from lists when there is enough coverage to warrant a separate article, and even then a short summary (with template:main) should be retained on the list page.

No subject "deserves" it's own page (or category for that matter), but every subject "deserves" coverage in some fashion if the subject is verifiable for reliable sources (something else that can be argued ad infinitum).

The above would seem to be built upon the foundations that Wikipedia was created upon. Think that there's any chance that such a policy could be enacted? (And I don't just mean for fiction, but as a general rule for splitting pages.)

I dunno, but I'm hesitant to enter into another "discussion"/"survey"/whatever...

Anyway, I'm hoping that this finds you having a good day yourself : ) - jc37 00:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

For everything? WP:N is about as good as it gets. I don't think WP:MERGEITYOUSILLYSODS is going to go very far as an overriding policy, much as I'd love for it to.

For fiction, though, with a big heaping helping of WP:WAF (or a WP:WAF that wasn't Wikipedese gibberish) and some version of WP:NOT#PLOT that actually had something to do with reality and not harsh pronouncements, maybe someday. But right now everyone's just dueling to the death over nothing. I privately hope this fails and is such a fiasco that it's allowed to lie fallow for a year or two, but I imagine it'll be a close no consensus so people will still be fighting the same dumb fight in 2010. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

SyberiaWinx / Akari Kanzaki is back already

Since you blocked her the last time around, I thought you might be interested. Erigu (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed. Incidentally, chasing her around and antagonizing her is doing you no favors. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that I don't like the idea of her wasting other users' time. Erigu (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

She won't waste much. I would recommend she not waste any more of yours, and that you disengage from this and work on the encyclopedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

That sounds... optimistic. I mean, it's been going on for years. ^^; Erigu (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

[message removed] TheBrokenSky (talk) 06:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't generally tolerate messages not addressed to me on my talk page. You two have a rivalry, fine, take it off of Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

This is harrassment, and I'm reporting the both of you. I'm also going to contact this SyberiaWinx and suggest she do the same. I won't tolerate a bunch of bullies trying to label me as some kind of sockpuppet. And that message was directed at you. You are claiming I am a sockpuppet and this Syberia person. Let's see some proof, otherwise, stop it. TheBrokenSky (talk) 06:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't care who you are, I just don't want you fighting with Erigu on my talk page. If you have something you need to discuss with me, fine, but I haven't accused you of anything, only noted that I was aware that you existed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Your response would indicate that you are supporting what she is saying. A new user should not have to be harassed this way. And Erigu should not be permitted to carry out such harassing. Even he suspects someone of something, let him report it or whatever you do around here. I'm trying to have a discussion with another user about what an RfC is, and suddenly, Erigu is quoting everything I say to make rude responses and calling me a sockpuppet of various people, one of which is not even a member here. As an admin, shouldn't you be putting a stop to this? I'd like to edit Wikipedia without having to deal with him showing up everytime I try to talk to someone. TheBrokenSky (talk) 06:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, these are the first words I've exchanged with you, unless you are FOJ. Why would you have such a grudge against me, I'm forced to wonder.

As for Erigu, I've told him to disengage from this. You shouting at me is only going to get me to take a closer look at you. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I never said anything about a grudge. But here is a user, Erigu, who is clearly going out of their way to harass me. They've come to you and labelled me as two different people. You tell them you are aware of this-you are saying that they are not wrong. I am upset about this, since I have only just become a member of this site, yet, just because I voiced an interest in fixing up an article, I'm being marked a sockpuppet without any proof. TheBrokenSky (talk) 07:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I suspect, although I am not sufficiently sure, that you are FOJ. The exact same righteous indignation act as the last umpteen times FOJ came around is not really doing much for your case, nor is the fact that the RFC in question is the exact same incredibly dumb dispute over how to capitalize Wild Arms. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I have every right to be offended, since I'm innocent! You can't expect me to take kindly to being treated like this. I know who I am, and I've been wrongly accused. It wouldn't surprise me if most of those allegedly duplicate accounts are exactly the same-innocent but banned without proof because Erigu thinks they're guilty and instigates them until they fight back and look guilty. If you deny this, just look at the facts. I joined, made some edits. Then, while hoping to clean up the WA pages, I noticed the RfC and took interest. All I did was ask the user who posted it what exactly it was. Nothing more or less. Suddenly, Erigu is very rudely calling me by someone else's name and giving me a hard time, even as I try to ignore him and continue my discussion with Jinnai. But that's a hard thing to do when every single post you make receives some kind of sarcastic, uncalled for commentary. You're an admin, right? So, you can probably do something about that if it were to happen to you. I'm just a newcomer learning the ropes. I can't ban Erigu, and I have no power to make them stop. Finally, I got fed up and defended myself. But doing so resulted in you thinking I'm a sock. It's hardly fair. I'm willing to bet it's the same with at least some of those other "sockpuppets" as well. Also, please note how, after each any account is banned, Erigu immediately tries to get the discussion dropped. Even though Jinnai and a number of other people were participating in the dispute, they gave Jinnai a hard time for posting the RfC, stating that it was over, because that user was gone. It seems to me like Erigu feels threatened whenever someone challenges his stance, and instead of taking part in an honest discussion like the one going on, he resorts to accusing the main supporter of the opposition of being a sockpuppet. Can you honestly say I'm wrong if you look at my first edit in regards to the issue and compare them with the ones Erigu made attacking me immediately afterwards? TheBrokenSky (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Now I'm sure you're FOJ. Same vague accusations, reusing my words to Akari, same locus of dispute, same mode of speech. Goodbye. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Han shot first

PROD isn't going to hold muster because of the previous AfDs. I closed the last AfD discussion 18 months or so ago as keep (which is why I still have the page on my watchlist), but no one's offered any good sources since then. Given this, and that quick searches of Google Books and Scholar turn up very little, my preference would be to merge (heavily condensed) and redirect to the existing mention in list of changes in Star Wars re-releases, but I have a feeling that it won't hold without an AfD to confirm that (even though technically an AfD isn't required, it seems that too many people will insist on one).

Thoughts? — TKD::Talk 05:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, we could try a quiet merge and redirect. It's not functionally different from a prod. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 05:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Argh. Among the mess of broken links and uncited statements, I'm finding nothing materially worth transferring over. — TKD::Talk 06:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's where I was a year and a half ago, heh. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 06:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. — TKD::Talk 06:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

City of Thieves (novel)

Oof. Good catch regarding the copyvios. I feel like an idiot for not noticing them when I was fulfilling the G6 move request. I've notified the original article creator. — TKD::Talk 07:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, noticed that when I was wondering what you were doing with the talk page moves on Han shot first. Something about it just seemed off. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Heh, the talk page moving/archiving is my personal SOP for handling merged/redirected articles; anyone can undo it quickly if there are objections to the merge. Usually, I delete the talk page redirect left behind, but I figured that I'd leave it for a day or two. — TKD::Talk 08:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Mother 3 split

Can I get your thoughts on something? After adding references to the Story section, the Mother 3 article will likely increase in size to a level that's fairly excessive. And while I plan to do some trimming to fix this, do you think it'd be appropriate to create a Development history of Mother 3 article, covering the basic information in the article and the detailed information in this new one? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I think a better split would probably be Earthbound 64. This article gives a bit too much undue weight to the unreleased N64 Mother 3, IMO. Admittedly, it would be a much harder split. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

That's an idea, too. Well, I guess I'll just make a discussion when a split is required. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I started a discussion on the Mother 3 talk page if you're interested in participating. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 17:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The Angry Video Game Nerd

I've added the above article to my watchlist, after it was brought up on WP:ANI. Please know that your next revert will result in a block; a long one. I've advised Brad M. (talk · contribs) of the same. Use the talk page and request mediation if necessary. - auburnpilot talk 16:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

You've been blocked for 1 week. - auburnpilot talk 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

That edit isn't in dispute; the only user who disagreed about it agreed to it here. It was only reverted by Brad M. because he was reverting his preferred section into the article. I made a point of leaving his preferred section alone. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 19:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Your edits from the last two days: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. In every single one, the same content is removed. After my above warning, you again removed the "International recognition" section. Edit warring is edit warring, whether you are disputed by two users or one. - auburnpilot talk 19:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I remove Brad M.'s pet section here. The international section is removed here, and stays out of the article for several days until here, where DevinCook replaces it. We discuss it on his talk, I undo DC's edit here, and Brad M. uses undo on that edit here. If Brad M. has any objection to removing that section to talk, it'd be news to me, as he never made any comment to that effect and didn't revert any edit I made to that section unless it was an undo restoring his preferred section below.

When I removed the Popularity section several days ago after talking to DevinCook, I probably should not have combined it with an edit I knew Brad M. disliked, but if you're blocking me for the edit war with Brad M., then what was the point of warning me? If your goal was to get me to disengage with Brad M, done. I was already doing that, I left his pet content alone and the discussion it can sit on talk and wait for input. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 19:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

While I appreciate that your intent was not to continue an edit war with Brad M, you still continued reverting content that Brad M and another editor had readded (numerous times). The intent of my warning was to stop edit warring, regardless of who you were edit warring with or what content was involved. In my opinion, it was a continuation of the previous days/weeks of reverting. - auburnpilot talk 19:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Then your intent wasn't clear, and I'd be happy to undo my edit and simply ask Brad M. if he had any objections or if it was collateral damage. I thought it was clear that it was an unrelated, uncontroversial edit caught up in the dispute. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

"Please know that your next revert will result in a block..." I didn't say "please know the next time you revert something Brad M. disagrees with, you will be blocked". But let's not play semantics. I'm unwilling to unblock, as the edit warring over this article is quite extensive and your last revert was after a clear warning that a revert would result in a block. Sorry, - auburnpilot talk 20:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm having difficulty figuring out what is accomplished here. If you want to stop an edit war, not only is that done, but I've outlined how I can and intend to show my good faith. If you want to punish me for inappropriately trying to force my preferred version, not only was the warning unnecessary, but I've been blocked to reverting to the wrong version. I am unclear on your intended goal, and can take little lesson from this. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

As I've said, I'm unwilling to reverse the block but am happy to post on AN/I if you'd like further input. Good faith is one thing, evidence to the contrary is another, and my goal of preventing further reverts has been accomplished by the block. - auburnpilot talk 20:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

This is less about fighting about OMG UNBLOCK ME NAO and more about trying to better understand your intent. I don't think I should have been blocked for that edit, obviously, but I understand you do and I'd like to better understand why. {{unblock}} would get me an instant appeal but I'm more looking for a better understanding. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's the nutshell. User posts to AN/I asking for somebody to review a situation. I reviewed it and issued two warnings stating that the next revert would result in a block. One of the two warned users reverted again. I blocked. I'm apparently unable to give you a better understanding, as you seem to want there to be a bigger and deeper reason for the block than exists. - auburnpilot talk 20:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of what happened; I'm more interested in understanding why you're unwilling to unblock. Not to fight over "OMG UNBLOCK ME," but more because I feel my reasons are sufficient and you clearly don't and I'd like to understand what I'm missing. I'm less interested in proving you're wrong and more interested in understanding why you're right. {{unblock}} and WP:ANI won't give me this, because it's deeper understanding of your reasons and not wider input (or an unblock) I'm looking for. Mostly for the sake of my own peace of mind. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• As you obviously know, you are free to use the unblock template to request a review. If you prefer, however, I'd be happy to post a summary on AN/I for wider input. - auburnpilot talk 19:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  I'd rather discuss it with you, rather than having to go through the whole explanation to a newcomer, nor can I ask a passerby your intent. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 19:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		This barnstar is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. This Barnstar is awarded to Man in black, for his efforts in helping new editors, making wikipedia a more welcome place for everyone. Thank you so much Ikip (talk) 15:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

thanks again for your help, I revamped the page, let me know what you think. All that I removed was how to get in contact with the admin who deleted the page, first, it seemed overly complex, and 2nd, I wonder how helpful the admin would be. You are welcome to add it back. Ikip (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Almost every admin will be willing to tell you why they deleted a page, if they're available to do so. That said, your explanation of how to figure it out is probably simpler. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 16:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

thanks again for the help, you are welcome to edit it as you wish. Ikip (talk) 17:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)