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Chief Keef


The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Chief Keef has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.


Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


Good call

question. When an editor adds an email address such as here diif, would (requesting) deletion be appropriate? Excepting an experienced editor who clearly understands what they are doing. No idea if this is a promo or real life troll. Hydromania (talk) 05:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Good call. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Spanish Empire

I just wanted to inform you that my debate with the other user at Talk:Spanish Empire is over. Can you have a read (sorry if it's long) and look at our final proposals?

Barjimoa (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Yes, it's long, and not all of it is pertinent. I wonder if User:Kansas Bear has anything to add, or maybe could provide a wrap-up for the section, as if it were an RfC. Specifically, I'd be interested in the sources that are agreed upon. I don't care who is a superpower or not, but I do care if healing evangelists are being cited as history scholars. But I'll go ahead and unprotect, now that the socking is at least temporarily over. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, SmithGraves is simply searching for sources stating that the Spanish Empire was the global power in the world, and ignoring the fact there are other historians stating other empires were global powers during this same time period. I have given my support to Barjimoa's suggestion but I feel that anyone that uses an evangelist as a source simply because it supports their belief is not open to compromise or working towards consensus. If an evangelist is a reliable source, then we should use this source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I am surprised by the huge amount of valuations towards me.

Among the many sources that I sent one was of an evangelist, all right, if it is unreliable that is not taken into account, my fault. But I have sent many more sources including Instituto Cervantes, a source widely used in Wikipedia. And no source confirms or mentions that Empires like the Ottoman or the Chinese were Global EMPIRES.

And please User:Kansas Bear, don't make assumptions about me. Do not be rude. SmithGraves (talkcontribs) 20:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Semanticizing about empire vs. EMPIRE is not of much use, IMO. I don't see where Kansas Bear is being rude to you. Donald Albury, your hands are untied now, since I took over protection (and have unprotected, since it seems order is restored, for now); perhaps you can adjudicate. As far as I can tell your only edit to the article in this recent spat has no real bearing on the discussion as we have it now. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Regardless of whether or not you support an argument making personal assessments is rude. It is better to avoid them and not be tempted to accuse (or suggest) of lack of cooperation or bad faith, and indirectly and without citing the accused. I think it is better to be calm and respectful. That said, I will not start another debate here with any. It has been proven enough. Thanks. PD: I marked "Empire" to realize that his sources refers to Global Power, and not Global Empire. You obviously didn't take it. SmithGraves (talkcontribs) undated comment added 22:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

November 2019

Why are you sensitive? Since you already realized your mistake, I am not going to talk too much. I just want say that please read the contents carefully before you do anything. Don't be this excited even aggressive, OK? 七战功成 00:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Wow, all this because of this, which I reverted. You have a page full of warnings from other editors about unreliable sources and unexplained edits, and a block notice, but sure I'm "sensitive". The mistake was yours, and yes you talk too much. If only you had spent twenty seconds writing an edit summary. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

This is not my mistake and I didn't talk much. It's you write a lot of words on my talk page for a minor edit. 七战功成 06:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process


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Ann Lovett

An IP is adding a long, unsourced story to the article Ann Lovett. In my opinion, that unsourced story is a violation of WP:BLP (of the boyfriend). Can you review this edit and advice me what to do? The Banner talk 21:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't quite know what to make of that, whether it's a real BLP vio that needs revdeletion or not; maybe I need more coffee. Cassianto reverted too and I warned the IP--certainly the thing is unverified, and warnings for BLP violations and edit warring are also appropriate; we can't really combine these warnings. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
    • That is why I came her for advice. No need to blow that up, it is still an open nerve in Ireland. The Banner talk 21:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Even with the source ([1]) I am still unhappy. Looks like the IP has added half that newspaper-article to the article. But I leave it at this. The Banner talk 12:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Do you think it'd be risky to shift this rangeblock back to anon. only? There's a new editor working on a school project who's having trouble editing because of it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

  • I suppose so. Or you can grant them IP block exemption? This range's block log looks like it should just be blocked indefinitely. But really, do what you think is right. Just about every CU has placed blocks there--just make sure account creation remains blocked, because I think this was one of the ranges where he made a bunch of accounts for later use. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
    • My concern is that the range apparently includes a university library, at a school where there is a course requiring students to edit Wikipedia. I could grant IPBE for the editor, but that won't help any of their classmates who also need to use the library network to connect. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
      • GorillaWarfare, do what you think is right. It sounds like you can argue there is significant collateral damage, where my assessment can never be quite certain or precise. But there have been a ton of other blocks on that range, including CU-related blocks, so you might could ask them as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
        • I've decided to err on the safe side and just IPBE the account. I let the editor know that if their classmates are running into issues as well they can reach out again. Thanks :) GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Viktor Sergeyevich Boyko

Hi, I see there was an AfD on this back in 2010, which closed with withdrawal. However the article has remained orphaned, marked with CoI, and flagged for non-notability, from that day to this. I've read the talk page and the AfD, and wonder. There are the Russian sources mentioned, indeed; but is he genuinely notable? Many of the sources are articles by Boyko, or interviews with him, so by 2019 standards do not confer notability. He is today barely detectable on the web, and he's still orphaned. I came across the article by searching for "Yoga in Russia" on Google (I'm just putting together an article on that now). Have another go at the AfD or remove the notability tag, it should be one or the other; what would you do? Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Hey--I suppose AfD is really the way to go. Notability tags don't mean much, IMO. Who knows, it might attract some seasoned editors who can read Russian and who will have something useful to say. The article content right now can be summarized as "there's a dude who has a yoga school", and that's it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Response to message I received from you

Hi there Drmies, I just received a message from you saying, "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at White pride, you may be blocked from editing." I would like to know how my editing was disruptive and how I was vandalizing Wikipedia. Thank you. -YungIsh — Preceding unsigned comment added by YungIsh (talkcontribs) 02:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Sure. These were your edits. I hope that clears this up. Drmies (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Sorry to bother you, but it doesn't. I don't understand how what I wrote is considered disruptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YungIsh (talkcontribs) 02:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
      • Weeell you changed a well-verified statement into some smear at "left-wing radicals". I wonder if by those "left-wing radicals" you mean the authors of the peer-reviewed, academic publications which you removed? Now hush--you should count yourself lucky I didn't block you on the spot per WP:NOTHERE. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Another question I want to ask

Hi there, Sorry about what I did with the "White pride" page, that was my bad, but I want to ask you another question. How exactly is the content bad and the writing poor in my revision of the "Rolling Acres Mall" page? Yes the sourcing is non-existent, if I knew how to add sourcing I would, and what is a GA and what article are you mentioning? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YungIsh (talkcontribs) 02:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Wait, really? A GA is a Good Article. You can't just stick unverified content into an article, and certainly not in a GA. Part of the writing problem is apparently random comments, non sequiturs like "In 2011, a man tried to steal copper cable from the mall. He was electrocuted and died shortly after." That's just a weird comment already, without context, but it's also shoved in there, not in any chronological or thematic order--and that was followed by some dude being found dead in the woods (what does that have to do with the mall?), and I now see that you dropped names in there of living people, including a minor, without any indication of a. reliable sourcing b. proof that these names are well-known or whatever. So I will have to scrub those from the history. And then there are slippery puddles from a YouTuber (I mean, seriously, wtf?) with a YouTube link as an inline URL. So there's at least three things that are violations (BLP, RS, MOS), plus the writing is not up to GA standard, etc.

    Anyway, I have to go and remove these violations from the history. Please read WP:BLP. Drmies (talk) 03:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Sétif and Guelma massacre

Grateful your advice as to whether any decision had been made regarding the insertion of the term "terrorists" after each reference to pied-noirs (Algerian settlers of European origin) in the above article. There are now comments from four editors on the talk page. Buistr (talk) 08:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

  • It's not up to me to decide on that, particularly after I made an edit that indicated where I stood. Is there an official WP:RFC? Drmies (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Sharyl Attkisson#RfC on self-sourcing

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Sharyl Attkisson#RfC on self-sourcing. Inviting you as a previous RfC discussion participant and/or editor to the page in an RfC initiated by administrator JzG Doug Mehus T·C 14:50, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Mailing lists

Hi Drmies - Seems the email address you've been using for various mailing lists has a "full" inbox and it's now bouncing emails from the oversight list, and possibly other mailing lists. Could you please advise if something has changed, or if you need to have a different email address assigned to these lists? Mailman has already disabled your access to the Oversight mailing list because of these bounces, and I can't reinstate your access using the usual email address until the "full inbox" issue is resolved. Note that I tried to email you about this, but my direct email also was refused/bounced due to the full inbox. Risker (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Ha. So I got an Android phone over the summer, so all of a sudden I had a Google Drive with millions of files; I didn't know I had a Google Drive to begin with. Apparently these files are the excess, not the emails, and I am trying to clear them out, but I barely know what Google Drive is, or what is in it, or why. Funny thing--this summer, after I got an Android phone and returned it, I got a new iPhone, and now I also have an Apple Cloud (?), which is ALSO almost full. Anyway, I'm downloading, zipping, moving, and deleting files as we speak, but they're huge and I barely know what I'm doing. Thanks Risker. Drmies (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
    Drmies, you could probably expand the available space on those cloud drives ten/hundred fold for as many dollaris. On the other hand, they might soon fill up again anyway if you're not exactly sure what'all is set to go there. Usedtobecool TALK  22:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
    As I recall, these phones save every single thing you open to your (applicable) drive unless you turn off the feature. Your "google drive" is still attached to your google account (read: gmail) and if you open it up on a desktop or laptop or tablet, you'll have a much easier time of clearing things out. Can't help you with the apple stuff, but pretty sure the same principle applies. I'm going to guess that the overwhelming majority of stuff you have in those "cloud" accounts are things you either don't really want/need, things that you ought to be saving in a different way, and so on. Risker (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
        • Risker, I've been working on this for a few hours now. It's slow going, downloading videos of my kids and then deleting them from the drive. I'm doing this on my laptop, but I can't even figure out the Google Drive interface--and before anyone goes "OK boomer", my daughter couldn't either, haha. I must have deleted hundreds of megabytes worth of video and, somehow, all the citation templates for EndNote. I think I have enough space now. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Tasghîmût

Updated DYK query.svgOn 16 November 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tasghîmût, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that much of the stone material studied by archeologists at the 12th-century fortress of Tasghîmût near Marrakesh has since been hauled off by local builders? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tasghîmût), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


Cassia javanica, Torremolinos.jpg
Cassia javanica, Torremolinos
... with thanks from QAI

Thank you today for your share for Bramshill House, "one of the most important Jacobean country houses in England. The current house was built in the early 17th century by Baron Edward la Zouche of Harringworth, but was partly destroyed by fire a few years later and subsequently redeveloped. The Italian Renaissance, which became popular in England during the late 16th century, is evident in its design. Some of the interior tapestries are quite remarkable pieces. It became a Grade I listed building in 1952, after which it became a police college."! - I am happy to share the page with a modest DYK about a singer who impressed me. In celebratary mood today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Yes, I saw that FA just now. A great article! Oh, I see now that I actually contributed significantly--if you look at the numbers, but they are deceptive. Eric C. did a lot, of course. Dr. Blofeld, good work! Gerda, thank you for noticing. Drmies (talk) 13:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Ha, even Xanthomelanoussprog and Yngvadottir took part in the fun. Drmies (talk) 13:20, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


U5 explicitly doesn't apply to users with substantial edits outside their userspace. WilyD 07:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Well, it says "made few or no edits outside of user pages". The user page had 1427 edits; this year the user made four (4) edits in article space, and 302 in all, so their ratio of all article edits to webhosty edits about a fake game is about 5 to 1. Restore it if you like, but I'm not impressed: not substantial. At the first MfD (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:OriolesMagic), Cunard talked about sanctions if the user didn't abide by the rules. The editor clearly hasn't abided by the rules. I wouldn't sanction them for this, but by the same token, they should have known better. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Guess who...?

(also pinging @Ponyo: and@AGK:)....I've just noticed this. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

  • You're kidding. What was his name? Sebastian or something? Drmies (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Wow, I'm impressed that I remembered--User:Sebastian80. Drmies (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Ivanvector, Berean Hunter, I am emailing you a range which popped up while I ran CU for FPZKL--maybe you know more than I do (which is next to nothing). Thanks Cas. I'll go block that account as a likely sock. Drmies (talk) 20:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Cas Liber, it is likely this person and though they were never connected and there is no case, likely this person who also used the same range.
       — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
      • WTF is wrong with these people. Drmies (talk) 00:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm lost as to what anyone is talking about, but I might be able to help out with Soft skin (talk · contribs · count).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
          • Bbb23, check your inbox. I'm writing Casliber now.
             — Berean Hunter (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
            • Ah, now I get it: all football players are Nazis.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
              • Not Jalen Hurts. Drmies (talk) 02:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── How the heck can you remember this sock's name nearly eight years later? I can barely remember the actual sock that I sorted 45 seconds ago. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't know, Cullen328. I do remember this one, and I remember they were dicking around with GA nominations/reviews. Yeah, so many of them are forgettable, but this one took me a while. Or maybe I just like the name "Sebastian"? Maybe I'm secretly totally gay, closeted even to myself, and my subconscious life is actually dictated by Mishima's Confessions of a Mask? Drmies (talk) 04:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Drmies

You are the lawyer of Number 57 so you can defend him or speak for him?.--Oli (talk) 04:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

  • No, I am another administrator and I will block you if you keep up this nonsense. You are this close to a block for harassment and disruptive editing. Drmies (talk) 04:40, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for the threat and anticipated destructive criticism.--Oli (talk) 04:50, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Could you give me guidance on this? Is my English language handling scary? How many violations and nonsense have I done so far?--Oli (talk) 04:56, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • A thousand apologies for the harassment towards Number and disruptive editing of my part towards certain articles, it wasn't good, I am sorry.--Oli (talk) 05:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

2005–06 FA Cup

So if you look at the 2005–06 FA Cup#Results section, each round has just a wikitable showing results, apart from 2005–06 FA Cup#Third round proper which has a wikitable and collapsible boxes. It is that duplication that the first IP was removing. I think it was a good edit and IP2 should not have reverted. GiantSnowman 12:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks--plz do what you think is right. Drmies (talk) 12:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Dimash Kudaibergen

Hi Drmies, why are you so interested in Dimash' page all of a sudden? We started building it in 2017, with the help of Dimash' family. They have a right to say what they want and don't want to see on his Wiki, not you. You marking my actions as vandalism, but I think your actions are inappropriate. Leave us alone, and go vandalise other pages. Фада (talk) 04:18, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

  • First, who is "we"? Second, Dimash family has no authority here. Third, it's not "his" Wiki. Fourth, yes, vandalism: because you are disruptive, not even bothering to explain what you are doing while you are re-inserting trivia and linkspam. But really, who is "we"? El C, what do you make of this? Just look at the linkfarm at the bottom of their preferred version (whoever "they" are). Drmies (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Nobody gets to own pages, Фада. Articles standards need to adhere to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The edits have been disruptive and I have protected the article to address that. Accusing editors with vandalism is a personal attack —see what vandalism is not— please don't do that again. El_C 04:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Drmies, seeing that the user, chaotically, placed their comment at the top of your talk page, inside an existing section header, I would say that we have a user or group of users who are simply unfamiliar with how Wikipedia actually works. Hopefully, the links I provided in my comment above will help clarify it to them (singular or plural). El_C 04:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi El.C , I'm not related to the family and don't work for them. I did contact them to confirm details and to ask if they are ok with what we are including in the article. When I say "we", I refer to the small group of people who volunteered in creating the page. I never claimed to be a Wiki professional, and do my best to follow Wiki rules and guidance. I asked Drmies to stop removing the whole sections... He doesn't fix anything, but removes the whole part of the page, without explaining properly what exactly is wrong with it. As for "vandalism", if you check it again, he accused me of "vandalism", not other way around. Besides, if he is an admin, don't you think he should be using professional language. not slang, and bad language. Фада (talk) 04:54, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Leave us alone, and go vandalise other pages, you say in your opening right here. From what I've seen Drmies did explain why they were removing parts of the article that either came across as promotional or otherwise excessive. Anyway, the place to discuss improving the article is on the article talk page. You are welcome to use it to advance your proposals for the article and see what other —especially uninvolved— editors think. El_C 05:00, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
It was my reply to his message. Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Dimash Kudaibergen. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Фада (talk) 05:10, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
You were using automated edit summaries to revert — those don't explain anything. By contrast, Drmies did explain their edits to you, multiple times. El_C 05:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

He was removing all sections, not just parts of them... Using words like crap and bla-bla is not professional for an admin. Is it mentioned anywhere in your rules or anybody can be an admin and do and write whatever they want? I'm not going to bother you anymore. I'm leaving it at that. Currently looking into the alternatives to Wikipedia. Too much work trying to keep the information from being deleted and replaced by anybody who has too much time on their hands. We had many times when people would walk in and change an image or name, or add insults... Constantly checking and deleting those is a pain. Фада (talk) 05:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC) He deleted mostly Kazakh official government links. Listing them as crap. We did everything correctly according to Wiki guidelines. Worked hard t make sure that all video links are official, and he simply deleted all video links. We only chose all the links accordingly to the Wiki guidelines, it took us many hours to look them up. Besides, he was adding his own links.. It makes no sense. If it's a personal dislike of the musician, then that would be a conflict of interest, don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Фада (talkcontribs) 05:49, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

RfC closure

Hello Drmies,

There has been an RfC here which needs close-by an uninvolved user. As you're uninvolved, I am requesting you for it's closure. Its non closure is resulting in an edit war at the BMW M3 page.

Regards. U1 quattro TALK 10:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)