Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emirati–Kosovan relations: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 16:07, 28 May 2009

Emirati–Kosovan relations

information could easily be contained here Foreign_relations_of_Kosovo#Middle_East. not strongly opposed to redirect but would prefer delete as unlikely search term. LibStar (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per precedent for almost all X-Y relations articles. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 02:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The information is already included at the nominator's suggested location, no need to worry about that. At present there seems to be a lack of in-depth coverage of relations between UAE and Kosovo, not nearly enough to establish notability, to say the least. The article can alway be undeleted as their intercourse becomes more complex and noteworthy. Drawn Some (talk) 02:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Relations between these two countries are notable. Kosovo announced that it will open an embassy in the UAE in 2009. Also, the UAE is a wealthy country and has already started to contribute to Kosovo. --Turkish Flame ^☎ 02:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

isn't your last sentence original research? LibStar (talk) 02:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2]--Turkish Flame ^☎ 02:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

your first article above, blogs are unreliable sources for Wikipedia as per WP:SPS. LibStar (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That article was first published in The National on Sunday 26 Oct 2008. --Turkish Flame ^☎ 03:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It can't be verified as per WP:V, who knows if the blog author altered it? LibStar (talk) 03:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish has been the only "keep" !voter in almost all of these "X-y relations" discussions. That should tell you something. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 02:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would not only be WP:OR but WP:CRYSTAL. Drawn Some (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"It can't be verified as per WP:V, who knows if the blog author altered it?" Well, let's use the original version, then, on the newspaper's own website www.thenational.ae – it also mentions that the UAE donated $25.7million to build a humanitarian airport in Kosovo. OK? ╟─Treasury Tag►hemicycle─╢ 08:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the new way of handling these bilateral relations pages. JJL (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you clarify?--Cdogsimmons (talk) 04:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

COmment see Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations/Bilateral relations task force, Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Bilateral international relations. JJL (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is nothing notable in these relations. Searching United Arab Emirates for "Kosovo", and Kosovo for "Emirates" shows nothing. Foreign relations of Kosovo mentions only that the UAE is one of three Arab countries to have recognized the independence of Kosovo, and Foreign relations of the United Arab Emirates mentions nothing about Kosovo. Which countries recognize Kosovo is important, and it is correctly handled in Foreign relations of Kosovo. There is no secondary source saying that the relations are notable. Fails Bilateral relations. Johnuniq (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The relations between two sovereign nation states or lack thereof is inherently notable and deserving of its own page. Some status of a relationship has been sourced so appeals to WP:V for a delete are illogical. Obviously, with only the recent international recognition of Kosovo as a nation state, such relations are in their infancy. I advocate keeping and expanding this article as relations develop. Historical relations might also be explored on this page.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The relations between two sovereign nation states or lack thereof is inherently notable and deserving of its own page then why about 150 of these bilateral articles been deleted? LibStar (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak about other pages that have been deleted without my seeing them. I will say that the deletion of such pages would seem to me to be a misguided effort on the part of the editors patrolling this page. As far as this specific page is concerned, it seems clear to me that both countries are in the process of attempting to develop relations. Your original reason for deleting this page was that it could be contained at Foreign relations of Kosovo. That page is already quite long. You seemed to think Ethiopia-Qatar relations was worth saving. If we had spent as much energy improving the article instead of trying to delete it by now, I quite confident it would a worth-while read.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 05:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't apply here. LibStar (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've added material to this page that I think should address all concerns raised. I urge all those who voiced a call for deletion of this article, which I personally found to have profound importance, to re-evaluate their opinions.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 06:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sourced information about diplomatic/military relations. ╟─Treasury Tag►hemicycle─╢ 08:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the references found and added by User:Cdogsimmons are sufficient to establish notability per WP:N - great work (it's very unusual for Middle Eastern countries to deploy peace keeping forces to Europe by the way). Nick-D (talk) 08:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The peace keeping forces are notable because of what it says about the UAE's relations with Europe. The UAE is not attempting to establish a relationship with Kosovo! Indeed, we can read "Following Iraq's 1990 invasion and attempted annexation of Kuwait, the UAE has sought to rely on the GCC, the United States, and other Western allies for its security." The UAE troops in Kosovo have nothing to do with Kosovo. Johnuniq (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As Kosovo is one of the very few Muslim-majority countries in Europe, it seems likely that the UAE may have had more altruistic motives than that. Moreover, the deployment generated enough coverage to meet WP:N, which is what's in question here. Nick-D (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Kosovan relationships, in my opinion, are notable due to its status Computerjoe 's talk 09:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep pace Computerjoe - when it comes to a new country, external recognition and relations are crucial and revealing--Kashana (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
Delete Most of the article has nothing to do with relations between the countries as Kosovo didn't formally exist at the time. This information belongs in historical articles on the period. There have hardly been significant relations since. --BlueSquadronRaven 16:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 22: / Line 22: @@
 : ''The relations between two sovereign nation states or lack thereof is inherently notable and deserving of its own page'' then why about 150 of these bilateral articles been deleted? [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 05:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 ::I can't speak about other pages that have been deleted without my seeing them. I will say that the deletion of such pages would seem to me to be a misguided effort on the part of the editors patrolling this page. As far as this specific page is concerned, it seems clear to me that both countries are in the process of attempting to develop relations. Your original reason for deleting this page was that it could be contained at [[Foreign relations of Kosovo]]. That page is already quite long. You seemed to think [[Ethiopia-Qatar relations]] was worth saving. If we had spent as much energy improving the article instead of trying to delete it by now, I quite confident it would a worth-while read.--[[User:Cdogsimmons|Cdogsimmons]] ([[User talk:Cdogsimmons|talk]]) 05:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
+: [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] doesn't apply here. [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' I've added material to this page that I think should address all concerns raised. I urge all those who voiced a call for deletion of this article, which I personally found to have profound importance, to re-evaluate their opinions.--[[User:Cdogsimmons|Cdogsimmons]] ([[User talk:Cdogsimmons|talk]]) 06:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' per the sourced information about diplomatic/military relations. <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|hemicycle]]─╢</font> 08:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)