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On the [[Talk:Draža Mihailović|Draža Mihailović]] talk page, you made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dra%C5%BEa_Mihailovi%C4%87&diff=433409767&oldid=433398331 this post]. Calling another user a "POV-pusher of the most obvious sort..." is not in keeping with [[WP:NPA]]. Would you be able to remove or modify the statement now, please? [[User:Sunray|Sunray]] ([[User talk:Sunray|talk]]) 20:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
On the [[Talk:Draža Mihailović|Draža Mihailović]] talk page, you made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dra%C5%BEa_Mihailovi%C4%87&diff=433409767&oldid=433398331 this post]. Calling another user a "POV-pusher of the most obvious sort..." is not in keeping with [[WP:NPA]]. Would you be able to remove or modify the statement now, please? [[User:Sunray|Sunray]] ([[User talk:Sunray|talk]]) 20:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
:Why certainly, Sunray. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 20:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
:Why certainly, Sunray. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 20:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Sunray|Sunray]] ([[User talk:Sunray|talk]]) 21:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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You won

Ok you won: never more contribute by me in dalmatian articles ok? I'm not a sock, so thanks me for house of cerva and stop bother me or accusing me i'm not interested any more in YOUR influenced pages.


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You forgot one thing

Secularism is NOT a bad thing, even Catholics should objectively accept this (but then they should also "objectively" accept that there is no more evidence that God exists than there is for Jupiter, or Set, or this Amazing Invisible Pink Elephant standing right behind me :). Tito could've massacred every single christian in Yugoslavia, removing religious indoctri...er education from state-run schools would still be a good thing. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

zaboravio si spomenuti kada si govorio o 'religious indoctrination', da se u jugi predavao (čitaj indoktrinirao) sat marksizma pogledaj se u ogledalo kada tako voliš srati po svojim katoličkim korijenima kao da si još u pubertetu... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.207.80.103 (talk) 19:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a communist or marxist, far from it in fact - communism is nonsense. I do not defend any kind of indoctrination. I just think Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Montenegrins should live in the same country. Now please leave troll. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Useless debates all over

Direktor, you refused to engage in a overviewed debate over Chetniks and Mihailovic issues at the Mediation where this two precise subjects are mediated. I am a mediation participant, and I wan´t engage in parallel discussions all over wp over this with non mediation participants. My previous experience tells me that it is uselles to debate issues where people clearly have objectives and goals and where they don´t have a neutral approach. I will only accept discussing this issues (for 50th time) if there is going to be an overview of the debate and if participants agree to accept the outcome (as in mediation). Otherwise, I wan´t fall into the tramp again of discussing with people that don´t change their rethoric whatever presented to them. The articles will be replaced soon, and will follow the outcome of the mediation, so you can choose what you prefer to do in the meantime. PS: The behavior of yours is being disruptive again. Beside all agressiveness against me, you flood all my discussions making them impossible for any third party to follow or to be included. You are doing this purpously so your version stays protected. I can conclude that I am being ganged-up, and that all my attempts of discussion are being blocked by your flooding of same already discussed texts. You failed to archive your point at the mediation, so now you´re trying to archive it by force in talk pages. However, it is interesting to see how you slightly change your rethoric by acknolledging certain facts now, however, you don´t change any concrete editing style, despite having already been prooved as wrong and biased at mediation itself. FkpCascais (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did not change my "rhetoric" at any point, I've always acknowledged Mihailović was at his core anti-German, but simply wanted to get rid of the Partisans. And I also always knew exactly how much anti-Axis activity the Chetniks did.
I've also had it with the RfM, which recently once again proved its complete uselessness while I was away from Wiki. As I stated several times, the absurd RfM does not have the "power" to freeze the article and prevent editing, nor the authority to enforce its position. The article has already been already completely altered and massacred regardless of the mediation - and towards your POV I might add. Now I shall start editing, if you do not wish to contest my edits, I certainly have no problem with that. Rest assured: even if the RfM actually ends in our lifetime, I will not accept its useless one-sided "findings" - and I will not be required to do so in any way. The mediation will not help your position in any way, and is the single most disgusting and useless period we've both spent on Wiki.
Fkp, we've known each-other for a long time. I'm not a bad guy, and neither are you. I don't "hate" you or think you are inherently "evil", and I know you don't think I am either. You certainly won't believe me, and I expect you'll laugh, but according to Mensa I do actually have a genius-level IQ :D. As such, believe me, give-up on the mediation and finish the main issue with me: the issue of the Mihailović collaboration paragraph in the lead. We can find some sort of middle ground in two days' discussion and END THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL. I am NOT "plotting" against you, I just want to END THIS! I have a life, studies, and work, I want to conslude the last major issue on Balkans' Wiki. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Direktor, whatever our level of IQ is, we do need to have a supervision of the discussion and someone enforcing the decitions afterwords. For instance, I have an extremely low IQ, however, it is just about enough (lucky me!) to know that any tedious long discussion between us would not result in anything. You have your strong POV, and I actually don´t have much of a POV on this, but I am sure your POV is wrong, so the starting point is already condemned. I´ll think of some possible solution and let you know, ok? Otherwise, I do intend to get this trough mediation, so... why not there? FkpCascais (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Enforce the decision afterwards"? As I said, the RfM does not have the "power" to enforce its decisions. As for "supervision", the only thing Sunray did was doing was changing the subject and going away from the main issue. What is this about? This is about collabration in the lead of the article. And if we can figure out how to present in the lead what the sources say in an acceptable manner we would finish the dispute!
Furthermore, even if you do not completely approve of my point, you must see I am obviously not inventing this stuff! Draža himself siad he was commanding the Chetniks in the German Fall Weiss attack, he himself ordered Đujić to "cooperate", etc. - he did do these things. The fact that he also fought the axis is a seperate matter. Should we ignore all of this? Forget it? WP:LEAD explicity demands that it be mentioned in the lead as well. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 05:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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More of same

Despite the fact that you often failed to notify me in the distant and recent past (when I find myself with time, I´ll actually count the times you did that, just for evidence), I allways notified you of every single complain I did about you, and they were many. Here → [1]. FkpCascais (talk) 02:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I received your message and have made a request to the user. Could you point me towards the place where this source was previously discussed? Thanks, JodyB talk 13:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh.. it was quite a while ago. The author was being edit-warred over I think by (the now banned) User:AP1929 (a user named, incidentally, after the Balkans fascist dictator Ante Pavelić and the year of the formation of his party). AlasdairGreen27 pointed out that the author, Tomislav Sunić, is a neo-fascist associate of the KKK and David Duke and essentially blew him out of the water as any kind of credible source simply by mentioning his reviews. There is really no question that the author is very far from anything like a scholarly, reliable source. If it is really necessary to find the old thread, I've gotta ask: is there an efficient way to search the archves of Talk:Josip Broz Tito, I really don't feel like rummaging through it all :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 13:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any idea of when, maybe within a two or three month period? I'd love to have the discussion if possible. JodyB talk 15:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some searching and will try to do more later. No luck yet. JodyB talk 15:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say about a year ago or older. I know because AP1929 threatened to sue me for calling Sunić a "Nazi fuck" :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably what you're looking for (took me approx. 2 minutes to find it). For the record, I think Sunic's opinion could be included in the article, as long as the opinion is preceded or followed with a description of who he is, thus indicating the relevance of it. According to Google Books he published articles for the Institute for Historical Review, which says a lot. Timbouctou (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that is probably it. My suggestion is to bring to the talk page again in this context. If it is included it must not be given undue weight in the article. My preference would be to exclude it altogether because his views are so outside the mainstream. Nevertheless some may insist. It should certainly be very minor. JodyB talk 17:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sticking to content, not the contributor

On the Draža Mihailović talk page, you made this post. Calling another user a "POV-pusher of the most obvious sort..." is not in keeping with WP:NPA. Would you be able to remove or modify the statement now, please? Sunray (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why certainly, Sunray. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Sunray (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]