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Why leave? This a wonderful place. Could someone remove the "retired" banner from my user page, please?
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Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

I just started a move request on Talk:House of Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. I would appreciate your imput. The move concerns changing the article from "House of" to "Branch of" Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you for telling me. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Lecen. You have new messages at Cuchullain's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Hello, Lecen. You have new messages at WilliamH's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Meetup in March

Not me, User:Maryana (WMF). She's WMF staff, a researcher, who did the Editor Trends study:

I think this is a special trip that's part of the outreach initiative. They're going to be visiting various cities and are open to suggestion. If you're interested, drop her a note.

She and 'Doronina' also wrote this as WMF fellows; The Siberian Wikipedia section is a funny story.

Alarbus (talk) 08:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe a meeting in São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro would be better. If not, in one of the three capital of southern Brazil. I have my doubts if a meeting in Brazil would be good at all since I don't remember having seen many Brazilians here. Unless, of course, you're talking about the Portuguese Wikipedia. But I hardly believe that most of them speak English.
I'm not able to see any redeeming path to Wikipedia. Did you see that Walrasiad has appeared on the Paraguayan War's talk page? People can use sock puppets and their votes will still count (not kidding, go see there, Ilhador's vote is there), canvass, vote against the other side solely for personal enmity (Walrasiad's case), etc... There are no rules. There is no one in charge. You see, I'm not really surprised to see that the FAC is a dictatorship. Perhaps it's indeed better. I don't know... --Lecen (talk) 11:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Let's keep this here. I don't know what their plan is, just what I read on her talk. But they are going to visit and it would be good if they hooked up with the right people. You're one of them, and you can point them at other that they should have talks with. I think they know that online communication is one of the wikis problems and that's why they're willing to make the trip. Oh, and the lush tropical weather.
Maryana was featured in one of the fundraising banners:

From Wikipedia researcher Maryana Pinchuk

A year ago I left Harvard, an educational institution with 300 endowed chairs, for a summer job at Wikipedia -- and they didn’t have any chairs.

They had just rented a second floor, after adding their 45th employee. But the chairs hadn’t arrived. They were hunched at wobbly folding tables.

Google might have close to a million servers. Yahoo has something like 13,000 staff. We have 679 servers and 95 staff. Wikipedia is the #5 website in the world, and it runs on the change that people scrape from their couches.

Please pitch in -- $10, $20, $30 or whatever you can. Every cent you give will go right back to our community, for technology, legal assistance, or outreach.

At Harvard, I was working on a PhD so that I could go on to be a professor at a big university. But I couldn’t leave Wikipedia, because every day I was inspired by the passion and curiosity of the people here who don’t want to keep knowledge shelved in a library or a university, but want to put it out there for everybody on the planet to use.

On Wikipedia, there’s not a single advertisement -- and there never will be -- because that could bias the information in our articles. We’re able to keep it ad-free thanks to the one or two out of every thousand readers who donate. We need a few more today. With your small donation we can keep the content free, unadulterated, uncommercialized and on the web forever.

Thanks,

Maryana Pinchuk
Wikipedia Researcher
PS: I eventually did get a chair.

Ignore the part about the fundraiser. She cares; she believes. That's why she does it. Why she's visiting Brasil. You write about things you want the world to know about, that the world should know about. Don't let the dysfunctional nature of parts of the project deter you from that. Edit around them, leave them behind. See the foolishness about my editing Carousel? They don't get it, don't like it, and the upshot is they're retarding that bit of the project. It only reflects poorly on them and those that enable it.
Don't sweat the users on that RM discussion. The blocked account's "vote" will be ignored by whomever closes that. Zero weight. It's not a vote. The disruption and badgering don't help their 'cause' either.
One of wiki's strengths and weaknesses is that you can edit the rules. In the end this means there are no rules except Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. That's policy. So please get on with improving Wikipedia ;-)
Alarbus (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a point anymore. Why should I bother helping Wikipedia with the high level of xenophobia and cultural prejudice toward Brazilians? Take a look at the last comments on Paraguayan War's talk page. They can say whatever they want, do anything they want and nothing happens. Sock puppets, open canvassing, lies, false accusations, etc... why should I bother helping this place? --Lecen (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lecen – I'm sorry to hear you're so dejected by bad-faith editing practices these days. I wish I could say that this is an edge-case, but I've been hearing the same story from lots of folks who edit on particular national topics. One of the most common reasons people give for leaving Wikipedia is bullying and abusive behavior from other editors, and national rivalries really seem to bring out the worst in people at times. But English Wikipedia is actually still pretty friendly as compared to some of the other language projects – on Portuguese Wikipedia, these kinds of stories aren't just common, they're practically the status quo. That's why Steven and I are headed to Brazil to gather together as many active pt.wiki editors as we can and try to talk about how to solve this and other problems we all know about but can't seem to find solutions for. We hope this will be the start of a lot of conversations in a lot of different communities, too, including English. I think the kind of behavior you're describing thrives on anonymity, decentralization, and the tyranny of an abusive minority. By gathering people together and letting them talk face-to-face, I think editors like you will realize that they're not up against some insurmountable obstacle, and that actually the majority of editors are perfectly reasonable human beings who want to help, not harm.
Anyway, the meetups we'll be having in Brazil will be very pt.wiki-centric, so I'm not sure they would interest you. But if you're anywhere in the vicinity of São Paulo, Rio, Salvador, Natal, or Curitiba in the first week of March, I'd love to grab a coffee with you and throw around some ideas about how we can make some of this stuff better. If nothing else, I can try to conquer you with my indomitable optimism :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the bright side

Lecen, I know the RfC hasn't gone as you hoped. However, the director and delegates are on fair notice of what at least part of the community expects of them, and I think that will have its effect, especially if over time we keep to that position. This is a conservative institution. Brasilia wasn't built in a day. (I have never been, the closest I got was Goiania)  :) --Wehwalt (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unacceptable

Lecen, this post is unacceptable and frankly disturbing. I would have blocked you for that already, but having seen some of your comments over the past few days I'm not sure I can be objective here, so I'm going to report it to ANI and see what action those there think is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The thread is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Unacceptable edit. Carcharoth (talk) 23:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

January 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of a week for displaying a battleground mentality. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Lecen (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I'd like to be allowed to edit my user page only, so that I might add a "retired" banner. After what I saw today, I see no reason to be here anymore and I don't believe Wikipedia needs my contribution. Please tell Manning Bartlett that I appreciate his kind words and also that I had no intention of using words that sounded like legal threats. Sometimes the translation of Portuguese to English might cause misunderstanding. Alarbus, you're free to remove my comment. And remember: "First they came for..." Lecen (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

This request seems to have resolved; per the discussion below. Kuru (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Lecen, please take a breath. And then please ask me to remove the thread from my talk. Thanks, Alarbus (talk) 00:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

…once that is done the issue with Sandy Georgia will be examined fairly and impartially. Manning. Please just take one step back and then they can talk about /her/ battleground mentality. Alarbus (talk) 00:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) No, please don't retire, again. Thanks for leave to remove it from my talk and the clarification that no legal theat was ever intended. Alarbus (talk) 00:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is proposterous! Lecen has only contributed tons upon tons to wikipedia. Pardon my nosiness, as this does not concern me, but is this how an extremely useful contributer is treated on wikipedia? He has done nothing but add vital information to many articles. As I said this is not my business, but this is quite sad... Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lecen, you are of course free to edit your user page while blocked. May I suggest you just take the week off, and allow the dust to settle. I shall also advise Sandy Georgia against doing anything that inflames the situation further. My original comments still stand about your infraction however, and we do need to get that dealt with before we can move on. Enjoy your break. Manning (talk) 01:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I'm not able to edit my own user page. Could you fix it for me, please? Also, I won't lose my time trying to talk about her. How many times did she went to ANI? How many times did she fight with other editors? Did ever something happened to her? No. And won't be this time that it will. You wonder why Wikipedia is losing editors so fast? Take a look at SandyGeorgia's history log and you'll how many great FA editors have given up because of her. And do you know why I'm angry? Because I'm tired of people here being a bunch of xenophobics to foreigners like me. You have no idea the kind of things I had to endure here. They cna use sock puppets, they can canvass, they can accuse, they can lie, they can harass, they can insult, they can do whetever they want and nothing happens. While I was blocked for a week. For something that would never have happened if she had not gone after me. Did you see her last message at the ANI? Where she posted three diffs? None of them were about her. She lies and she is heading the FAC. And no one knows why the FAC is a mess and all that infighting is going on there. All I ask you is to allow me to edit my user page. That's all. --Lecen (talk) 01:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lecen, I will remove your block for precisely one hour so that you may edit your user page. If you edit any page other than your user or user-talk pages, I shall reinstate immediately, otherwise I shall reinstate it at 02:28 UTC. Manning (talk) 01:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lecen, please refrain from putting up a retired tag. Just sleep on it. Alarbus (talk) 01:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lecen, you appear to have taken the action you requested the unblock for, so I am reinstating the block, as indicated. I shall monitor your talk page in the interim. Manning (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
pt:Justiniano José da Rocha would be a good place to mine for Justiniano José da Rocha. Sleep on it. Alarbus (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Go out and work out and try not to think about this stuff too much.TCO (talk) 04:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just saw the mess on ANI, sorry about how things turned out. I enjoyed working with you while I had the chance, let me know if you ever come out of retirement and want a hand with anything. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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