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Please check the archives for anything older. Moreschi (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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I emailed you with my university IP locations. I am not sure what else to tell you. If you have any extra questions tell me and I'll do my best to answer as truthfully as I can. --76.180.172.75 (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm being a cranky pants so I want you to know I've searched your name in the noticeboards and wow. I completely get your suspicion given what you seem to deal with alot especially with me being pretty savvy and AR being a long term editor with lots of unfriends. If you want me to try and hammer down some of the previous IPs I used I can try. I'm also ok with emailing you the operating systems and browsers I've used. That way you can check me out for peace of mind. Drop a message if you do. I'd rather get that cleared up than have a cloud of suspicion hanging on me. --76.180.172.75 (talk) 02:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. It had crossed my mind you could possibly be my old friend User:ResearchEditor making a reappearance, as recovered memory is rather his topic-area, but it seemed a shade unlikely based on your edits anyway and I am now perfectly satisfied that you are 1) not RE and 2)acting in good faith. Many thanks for helping to clear this up. Best, Moreschi (talk) 08:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ opened

An arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Evidence. Please add your evidence by June 12, 2012, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Lord Roem (talk) 01:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess the price one pays for offering unbiased outside thoughts every now and then is these notices :) Moreschi (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

recent closure

Hi. I was, you might guess, a bit disappointed at the close of Politics in the British Isles. One part of your rationale suggested that the title is politically charged; this may be the case, but we have kept History of the British Isles and dozens of categories in that tree; and consensus is to use the term as a geographic grouping when it properly refers to the entire British isles (which the article did). In any case, if the title was *really* inappropriate (in spite of books using the same name), then a rename could have been considered (I had proposed something like Multilateral relationships in the atlantic archipelago. So I guess I'm not clear on why an article about the multilateral and bilateral relationships between the countries in the archipelgo, besides Ireland-UK relations, is worthy of deletion - you yourself noted the existence of sources (there are even academic research centers devoted to the topic); the British-Irish Council as a multilateral body - and tons of ink has been spilled talking about the multilateral politics of that and associated bodies. As to the content, I barely had time to write it, as it was nominated for deletion shortly after being created; and all of it was copy/pasted to Ireland-United Kingdom relations and then jealously guarded there intact by the same people who were voting for deletion! So they actually seemed to like the content... Finally, did you see the recent news articles I added to the bottom of the discussion? These were just a taste, illustrating multilateral and bi-lateral politics and relationships that were clearly *not* Ireland-UK. Finally, pending further discussions, would you mind restoring the article to my user space? Even BHG had mentioned she was not opposed to this. anyway I'm just hoping to hear more about your rationale, and whether and how the article might be reframed so it could survive on its own; I just can't see it as just part of Ireland-UK relations... Thanks! ps: I had meant to add this to the 'academics' section[1];[2] a quote "The development of Irish–Scottish studies has offered a productive means ‘of moving beyond an often debilitating and obsessive concern with [both countries’] relationship to England, and so of opening up new horizons’" There is so much more... --KarlB (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Of course I will happily restore the most recent version to your userspace.

As regards further rationale for the closure...clearly the term "British Isles" is somewhat loaded, but this is mostly true purely in a political context. I don't think too many people would have problems with the term in a geographic context, beyond the Irish nationalists, I guess. The problem is that the very title of this piece links "politics" and the "British Isles" together. This is just going to be a drama magnet, and more likely a very vicious battleground.

The bigger problem, however, is one of scope. This felt like it was supposed to be in part a "Description of the current political trends as far as the bits of the BI deal with each other", part "Political history of the British Isles" (which might just about be an article, I guess, a subpage of History of the British Isles), part "new trends in the scholarly analysis of the politics of the BI". That's about 3 different potential pieces all rolled into one, with predictable results. What was deleted definitely had some usable content, but as you yourself recognize, I think, it needs reframing. Good luck. Moreschi (talk) 17:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope you don't take it the wrong way if I put this into DRV. I haven't decided yet, but it's one course I'm considering. Best regards. --KarlB (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Naturally not. I almost expect it with controversial, tight closes like this. Though please note that I am not trying to bar you from creating some future version, although I think a different title would be best. Moreschi (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, a few follow up questions, if you don't mind.

1. You stated above that there was an issue about the title of the article. If you (like others) see that as a problem, isn't a rename the more appropriate path?
2. Secondly, you said the scope is a problem. Scope was the main contentious point of debate with RA/BHG; the question there seemed to be, are Ireland-UK bilateral relations sufficient to describe the scope of all of the inter-country political activity that occurs in the archipelago? You seemed to agree, stating "I am not persuaded that this is not better handled as a series of "bilateral relations" articles"; but couldn't the same argument be made about Politics of the Caribbean or Nordic countries for example (which has a politics section that could be expanded? I guess I'm not sure why 'bilateral' was judged by you to be sufficient here, esp given existence of multilateral bodies amongst the exact countries described by the term British Isles.
3. Finally, I'm not sure I understand your conclusion re the academic approach; "Clearly such scholarship exists, but it does not seem extensive enough to support the burden this article would place on it" - please recall that this article has only existed a few days, and we have only scratched the surface of the literature, and I mainly added the academic section there as a stub to help establish the notability of studying politics in the British isles, to show that others have taken a similar approach (since the raison-d'etre of the article was under seige) - but I actually think post-nationalist archipalegic studies itself merits a whole article. In any case, there are several academic research centers set up to study culture, relations, and politics in the British isles using an archipelagic perspective; I'm sure others exist, it's not always easy to find in google because they use many terms "northern archipelago", "atlantic archipelago", "these isles", etc etc but they certainly exist - and I don't think any of them would say they're just studying British-Irish politics (ps: FWIW the restored article now lives here: User:Karl.brown/Politics in the atlantic archipelago). Thanks! --KarlB (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Always happy to answer questions. Taking these in order:

1. If the title was the only problem but the article itself was adequately scoped (with just a misleading title), then a rename would be more appropriate, yes. I do not think such was the case here. 2. I do not necessarily see the "scope" issues in the same way as BHG et al. The article, as it was, certainly had scope problems, but I am perfectly open to persuasion - and indeed you make a good case - and that this is not all reducible to UK-Ireland relations. The problem - as I see it - was not that the article was useless expansion of whatever UK-Ireland relations articles we have, but more than it was trying to do too many different things at once and was completely unclear about its goals in the process. The result was something of a nightmarish mess. 3. One way to narrow the scope to something more usable would be to write just such an article on "post-nationalist archipalegic studies", which sounds like something we might benefit from. The "burden" comment relates to this; the scholarship in this area can probably stand a more narrowly focussed article, but not one so sprawling and wide-ranging as we had. Best, Moreschi (talk) 21:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

User:E4024, yet again

Would you be so kind as to revoke this user's talkpage access, as he is using to try to get others to revert-war on his behalf while he is blocked [3]? The guy is unbelievable. Athenean (talk) 18:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch. Athenean (talk) 19:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)