Talk:T. C. McCarthy

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because I will re-write it in my own words, despite the fact that the copyright holder posted the text themself. (your reason here) --Ultimatedriver (talk) 18:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

You are free to rewrite the article in your own words. The claim that the "copyright holder posted the text" appears to assume that the subject of the Writertopia profile (TC McCarthy) is the holder of the copyright of that profile. This is likely a false assumption, since the website itself claims copyright to the material, so once McCarthy posted it, he implicitly forfeit copyright claims to the material. (There is nothing in Writertopia's terms of service guaranteeing any copyright retention to posters at that site.) Regardless of this, the material also makes no claim to any particular notability for McCarthy, so unless the rewrite contains facts not already presented, the article is likely to be deleted on those grounds anyway. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Keep. Wikipedia contains a page describing the Compton Crook Award - a coveted literary award given within the SF genre by fans and pros who are members of the BSFS. McCarthy won this award. So either both McCarthy's wikipedia entry should be deleted along WITH the Compton Crook wikipedia page, or you're incorrect on the notability front. I tend toward concluding that it's the latter. As the 2012Compton Crook winner, McCarthy has met the notability criterion. Also, your assertion that McCarthy gave up copyright makes little sense; writers do not give up copyright just by posting on the web so perhaps you should clarify. McCarthy has his email address on the front page of his website, have you bothered to email and ask him for permission? --BenBrad76.127.202.125 (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Comment. It looks like the text from Writertopia and the text from McCarthy's "about" page on his website are verbatim matches. So He never gave up copyright; I've emailed him to notify him of this discussion, along with the members of the BSFS to make them aware of the fact that their award (winners of which include Paolo Bacigalupi, etc.) is being called non-notable. --BenBrad76.127.202.125 (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Or, we could just do the easier thing I've done: re-write it ourselves. Even if he gave permission, a Wikipedia article would never be written like that. I've made it into a stub, and once more is found written about him, it can be expanded with other details. One note: we shouldn't rely on just his blog/site to establish things like having a PhD, being a Fullbright scholar, etc. We'll need some independent corroboration. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Someone emailed me about the ongoing discussion and I see that a page has been created for me (thanks, btw!). I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion either way. Given the topics discussed abovec, however, sometime in the next few days I'll put a lis of links in here (the talk page) to third party sites that verify my Fulbright, etc. That way, if anyone decides to flesh out the page, they can have a ready list of sources. Thanks again, and if you all decide not to have a page for me, that's ok too. (T.C. McCarthy)Tburger88 (talk) 22:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)