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:There is evidently a medium sized list of vi.wp editors, occasional visitors to en.wp WikiProject Vietnam, who have objected to various aspects of Kauffner's editing over the last 2 years. A better coincidence than 2 editors agreeing with Dr Blofeld is needed before disposing of local Vietnamese participation in WP:VN in this manner. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 12:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
:There is evidently a medium sized list of vi.wp editors, occasional visitors to en.wp WikiProject Vietnam, who have objected to various aspects of Kauffner's editing over the last 2 years. A better coincidence than 2 editors agreeing with Dr Blofeld is needed before disposing of local Vietnamese participation in WP:VN in this manner. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 12:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::My reason for linking NVanMinh and ༆ was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_%28Vietnamese%29&diff=528235979&oldid=528190757 this diff], where they seem to be collaborating. But it is true that the writing style is not the same. There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12, so that doesn't narrow it down. NVanMinh obviously has an editing history of some kind, and there must be a reason why he is not telling us what it is. The issue of the page moves I made last year was dealt with on ANI a long time ago. I expect IIO to continue to forum shop the matter for years to come. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 14:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
::My reason for linking NVanMinh and ༆ was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_%28Vietnamese%29&diff=528235979&oldid=528190757 this diff], where they seem to be collaborating. But it is true that the writing style is not the same. There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12, so that doesn't narrow it down. NVanMinh obviously has an editing history of some kind, and there must be a reason why he is not telling us what it is. The issue of the page moves I made last year was dealt with on ANI a long time ago. I expect IIO to continue to forum shop the matter for years to come. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 14:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::: "There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12" - obviously another attempt to |
::: "There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12" - obviously another attempt to deceive the readers, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vietnam&diff=528276298&oldid=528263189#Capitalization_for_province_names . [[User:NVanMinh|NVanMinh]] ([[User talk:NVanMinh|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
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*{{endorse}} it is blatantly obvious that NVanMinh did not start editing yesterday. Their immediate familiarity with categories and templates such as {{tl|catmain}}, wikiprojects and their familiarity with Kauffner's history is evidence enough of that. It seems that this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28Vietnamese%29&diff=prev&oldid=528190757] edit by ༆ along with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%E1%BA%AFc_K%E1%BA%A1n_Province&diff=prev&oldid=528229553] by NVanMinh is evidence enough to draw a link between the two and warrant a check. Kauffner, please note in future cases that it is useful to provide diffs showing that the two accounts corroborate each other. Simply saying "What kind of person keeps track of another users' capitalization activity from last year? I think we both know the answer to that." does not count as evidence and results in me either having to put the case on hold until evidence is provided, or having to trawl through the contributions myself. Many thanks, [[User:Spitfire|Spitfire]]<sup>[[User talk:Spitfire|Tally-ho!]]</sup> 09:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
*{{endorse}} it is blatantly obvious that NVanMinh did not start editing yesterday. Their immediate familiarity with categories and templates such as {{tl|catmain}}, wikiprojects and their familiarity with Kauffner's history is evidence enough of that. It seems that this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28Vietnamese%29&diff=prev&oldid=528190757] edit by ༆ along with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%E1%BA%AFc_K%E1%BA%A1n_Province&diff=prev&oldid=528229553] by NVanMinh is evidence enough to draw a link between the two and warrant a check. Kauffner, please note in future cases that it is useful to provide diffs showing that the two accounts corroborate each other. Simply saying "What kind of person keeps track of another users' capitalization activity from last year? I think we both know the answer to that." does not count as evidence and results in me either having to put the case on hold until evidence is provided, or having to trawl through the contributions myself. Many thanks, [[User:Spitfire|Spitfire]]<sup>[[User talk:Spitfire|Tally-ho!]]</sup> 09:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
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** Because this unwritable username supports capitalization (I opposed his reasoning, when seeing it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)&diff=next&oldid=528190799) and I support capitalization, "is evidence enough to draw a link between the two" ? Are you joking? [[User:NVanMinh|NVanMinh]] ([[User talk:NVanMinh|talk]]) 16:03, 16 December 2012 (UTC) |
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User:NVanMinh was opened 23:37, 15 December 2012. Almost every post is a criticism or attack against me. It's obviously somebody who has a grudge, not somebody who just started editing yesterday. The most likely suspect is User:༆. Kauffner (talk) 05:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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- "Almost every post is a criticism or attack against me." - This is nonsense. See my contribution log. Oh, and not the latest agreement, because you may think I made that on purpose as defense. So discount that. But even before regarding RM, I was on the side of Kauffner. And when it says "Per-Kauffner capitalization" in my log, it just meant, that I reverted to the status that the articles had before Kauffner moved in. I think he should relax. I only oppose the capitalization that he introduced and the way he responded to the objection by Dr. Blofeld, see https://www.google.com/search?q=kauffner+handing+out+assignments NVanMinh (talk) 06:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- The point is that you're oddly well informed about my activities for someone who open an account yesterday. What kind of person keeps track of another users' capitalization activity from last year? I think we both know the answer to that. Kauffner (talk) 07:18, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- My first edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:An_Giang_Province&diff=528227597&oldid=478695820
- My first edit to an article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_Giang_province&diff=prev&oldid=528228119
- Then looking up An Giang Province http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_Giang_Province&action=history
- "05:25, 29 September 2011 Kauffner (talk | contribs) . . (31 bytes) (+31) . . (moved An Giang Province to An Giang province: Lower case, non-diacritic form to follow the style of the Associated Press and Vietnam News Agency. Discussed at WP:VIET.)"
- WP:VIET -> Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam -> Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vietnam
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vietnam#Capitalization for province names .... "well informed" - Yes, I can read. IQ 200%? NVanMinh (talk) 07:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - Let it be said that I am not Kauffner's biggest fan. I was the one who first stumbled across the pattern of IP edits under Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner/Archive. I also suspect that NVanMinh has edited before. In particular, there was an IP comment Kauffner deleted from his Talk page some months back which bears some of the same style. But then one editor who edits as an IP and another is somewhat the pot calling the kettle black.
- However I don't think for a moment that NVanMinh is User:Yig Mgo (that is what that User talk:༆ Tibetan caret as a User symbol is that appears like a little torch, or as a ☐ ballot box if you have older fonts like the PC at my gym). NVanMinh's English is (sorry YigMgo) evidently better than YigMgo's, enough to pick up on sarcasm; NVanMinh understands wp templates, YigMgo doesn't (again sorry YigMgo), NVanMinh is clued up about the capitalization issue, YigMgo isn't particularly - despite having also agreed with Dr Blofeld as we all have. Most significantly NVanMinh doesn't seem at all aware of the history of the last 6 months re Kauffner's stripping of the WikiProject Vietnam pages of Vietnamese spelling titles which YigMgo has followed every step, NVanMinh hasn't picked up on despite it being under his/her face. My impression is that NVanMinh has returned to en.wp from some earlier history about capitalization having missed the ongoing soap opera of Kauffner's circa 1,400x article moves against the Vietnamese alphabet.
- There is evidently a medium sized list of vi.wp editors, occasional visitors to en.wp WikiProject Vietnam, who have objected to various aspects of Kauffner's editing over the last 2 years. A better coincidence than 2 editors agreeing with Dr Blofeld is needed before disposing of local Vietnamese participation in WP:VN in this manner. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- My reason for linking NVanMinh and ༆ was this diff, where they seem to be collaborating. But it is true that the writing style is not the same. There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12, so that doesn't narrow it down. NVanMinh obviously has an editing history of some kind, and there must be a reason why he is not telling us what it is. The issue of the page moves I made last year was dealt with on ANI a long time ago. I expect IIO to continue to forum shop the matter for years to come. Kauffner (talk) 14:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- "There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12" - obviously another attempt to deceive the readers, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vietnam&diff=528276298&oldid=528263189#Capitalization_for_province_names . NVanMinh (talk) 15:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- My reason for linking NVanMinh and ༆ was this diff, where they seem to be collaborating. But it is true that the writing style is not the same. There is no history of controversy about capitalization in the project prior to the discussion that began on Dec. 12, so that doesn't narrow it down. NVanMinh obviously has an editing history of some kind, and there must be a reason why he is not telling us what it is. The issue of the page moves I made last year was dealt with on ANI a long time ago. I expect IIO to continue to forum shop the matter for years to come. Kauffner (talk) 14:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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Clerk endorsed it is blatantly obvious that NVanMinh did not start editing yesterday. Their immediate familiarity with categories and templates such as {{catmain}}, wikiprojects and their familiarity with Kauffner's history is evidence enough of that. It seems that this [1] edit by ༆ along with [2] by NVanMinh is evidence enough to draw a link between the two and warrant a check. Kauffner, please note in future cases that it is useful to provide diffs showing that the two accounts corroborate each other. Simply saying "What kind of person keeps track of another users' capitalization activity from last year? I think we both know the answer to that." does not count as evidence and results in me either having to put the case on hold until evidence is provided, or having to trawl through the contributions myself. Many thanks, SpitfireTally-ho! 09:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- Because this unwritable username supports capitalization (I opposed his reasoning, when seeing it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)&diff=next&oldid=528190799) and I support capitalization, "is evidence enough to draw a link between the two" ? Are you joking? NVanMinh (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2012 (UTC)