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Mediation

Hi, I am Adam and I have taken this case. The details of the request for mediation are at 2006-06-13 Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Before continuing, I need to find out if all sides will cooperate with the mediation. These are ReadyMade, regrhcp, Maxcap, Xinit, and several anonymous editors. Any other parties who wish to participate must also indicate their cooperation below. ReadyMade has been blocked; when he becomes unblocked he can indicate his cooperation and join the discussion.

During this mediation please refrain from editing the article. Since so many of the participants are anonymous I would like some indication from them that they understand what this mediation is about. If there is continued editing or disruption of the mediation by anonymous accounts I will have to refer this case to a higher form of dispute resolution.

Please indicate below if you will cooperate with this mediation. Ideogram 04:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Will the user at 88.111.88.195 please refrain from editing this article. Ideogram 09:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Statements of positions

All participants please state your positions and give your supporting reasons below. Keep your statements concise and to-the-point and do not engage in personal attacks. Ideogram 10:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please be sure to read WP:EL. Ideogram 10:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm onboard with the process, as I'm one of the people attempting to clean up the EL... --Xinit 14:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Count me in. --Jason1978 01:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Me as well. maxcap 18:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I should have stated my position on the EL that we've seen added again and again here. I stand pretty strongly by the WP:EL as it's currently written, especially in regard to the fan sites. The problem comes in that all the players seem to want to push their own blog, forum or site to the exclusion of all others, so even if we were to try to pick a representative example of a fan site for the RHCP, we'd run into troubles.

As it stands, I've taken the relatively hard-line approach of removing anything that isn't capable of acting as a citeable reference or that isn't an official organ of the band. Anything that is capable of being used as a reference should be linked from withing the body of the article with the <ref> tag where it can be of use.

I've attempted to bring people to the discussion pages to explain why their fan site or forum or other link should be included, but I recieve personal attacks, circular logic, or cries that I'm trying to assert 'ownership' or that I'm being 'unfair' to the fan sites that I'm removing. --Xinit 19:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Xinit's reasoning, and would like to add that I would be in support of a link to a directory of fansites (if such a directory exists) as it is probably the only fair solution. maxcap 19:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I think there are four solid non-fan links already and that should be sufficient. An article doesn't need a huge amount of external links, simply external links which are relevant and appropriate. RHCP are a large enough band that it is clear they have numerous fans. Linking to fan sites isn't necessary to prove this. IrishGuy talk 19:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Irishguy - You're failing to understand that just because some unofficial rhcp sites are branded 'fansites' doesn’t just make them a showcase for the authors appreciation of the band. Alot of so-called fansites provide a valuable resource for fans worldwide. Some are even favoured over the official site…

As long as they contain a wealth of exclusive and original content relating to the Red hot chili peppers, I don't see any reason for them not to be included. Alot of the RHCP fansites have forums that are thriving communities with a wealth of content.

Just because a fansite relies more heavily on its forum than its static pages, doesn't make it any less credible. They are well moderated and useful to anyone interested in the band.

By providing links to just a few of these fansites will only add to the integrity of this article. They give visitors of this page more options and most importantly more KNOWLEDGE relating to the band. They also enable visitors of this page to integrate in thriving communities all with a keen interest in the articles topic.

I would also like to make it clear that stadium-arcadium.com was NOT trying to promote itself over other fansites. Infact i've emailed the likes of onehotglobe in the past to appeal for their fansite to be included as I have mine.

Thanks for reading, Anthony - stadium-arcadium.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.209.222.166 (talk • contribs)

Actually, I'm not failing to understand anything. You see, I'm not the one attempting to use Wikipedia to pimp my website. People know that RHCP have a large fan base. If they want to visit a fan site, they can use Google. Fan sites in no way add to the integrity of this article. IrishGuy talk 21:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please tone it down, Irishguy. Accusing him of trying to "pimp" his website is uncivil. Ideogram 21:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Irishguy - Thats your opinion. Its wrong and mis-guided, but i'll let you off. People can use google to find fansites, but what you're failing to grasp is that 99.9% of people reading this article will have some interest in the band in the first place, and will undoubtedly appreciate some alternative sites focused on the band instead of the official site. Thats why they will add to the integrity of this article. It really is quite simple.

Let me remind you to please read WP:EL. Ideogram 21:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

How are we possibly supposed to decide what is good fansite content to warrant it's inclusion? We can't. I we were to agree to including one we would have to include all, which is unacceptable. maxcap 21:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd be interested in knowing why you, Anthony User:172.209.222.166 (and User:172.203.22.117, and User:Regrhcp and User:ReadyMade) have silently added your site link back in to the article so many times despite requests to discuss the inclusion of fansites. I'm also curious if you're all the same person, frankly, as none of those users have regularly signed their posts with the tildes ~~~~.

Other sites that I've noticed added repeatedly;

[1] KevMan69

One Hot Globe: RHCP Fansite

Red Hot Chili Peppers @ CybersMusic - Current Blog Posts.

unofficial fan dscussion site 172.203.22.117 172.209.222.166 172.209.222.166

Official Website of The Red Hot Stadium Myspace Group 68.89.188.159

RHCP News and Reviews at This Is Fake DIY 88.108.248.252

The Fan site that won't go away 85.102.189.220

OneHotGlobe.org: RHCP Fansite Bagel7

Todos los videos, fleamail y mas... 200.83.188.29

--Xinit 21:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please focus on the content not the contributor. Ideogram 21:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you're just being super paranoid and have too much time on your hands? Infact there was no attempt for me to have multiple identities. If you took the time to think about it, you'll see i have two ip's because my isp provides dynamic ip's. Also my username on wikipedia is readymade, so there you go. I have no relation to regrhcp.

If you're not prepared to listen, then so be it. This discussion is over as far as i'm concerned.