User talk:Hoary

If you post a message on this page, I'll reply on this page to avoid fragmenting the discussion. If I've left you a message on your talk page, I will be watching it, so you're most welcome to reply there rather than here.

I've assiduously followed the advice on this page and have shunted earlier banter and repartee to:

• Archive 1 (13 Nov 2004 to 23 Feb 2005)
• Archive 2 (24 Feb 2004 to 27 May 2005)
• Archive 3 (29 May 2005 to 17 Sep 2005)
• Archive 4 (18 Sep 2005 to 9 Nov 2005)
• Archive 5 (from 13 Nov 2005)

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Ceci n'est-pas un barnstar.

Here, have a strange flying thing. Jkelly 21:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, cool. And great color registration. Thanks! -- Hoary 07:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking more of your recent wielding of the cluebat. Jkelly 00:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

İlham Əliyev

Hi, in another vein altogether... Would you mind having a look at this article and especially the discussion that has started on its Talk page? Since you have a grounded perspective (as it were) on the issue of naming conventions I think we could benefit by your thoughts on whether this article ought to be moved back to "Ilham Aliyev". In any event, having an administrator who is aware of possible brewing trouble could be helpful later on. Thanks! Pinkville 20:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I had a feeling you would go the way you did on this article - and I'm still glad to have your input. Thanks for joining the discussion. Pinkville 03:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, but I'm not satisfied with what I wrote, which I wrote when too sleepy. One good thing is that the argument is an intelligent one (or anyway was before I came along and mucked it up; I haven't looked at it since): I hope it continues that way, and I may return to it if I can sort out my own ideas first. -- Hoary 03:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a borderline case, I believe... which makes it more interesting than usual. You've mucked nothing. Pinkville 04:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Stephanie Adams

Left a post for you, I've done ALOT of research on this chick, she has NO pr people here , and never has, read the comment on her talk page that was "mysteriously" reverted. I have talked to her on the phone as she had a tv blaring and was drinking and talking to Home boys in the background.

She wasnt even the playmate of the month, just a lady in playboy, the rest of the stuff about her has been CREATED by her to make her APPEAR something she is not. READ all of her comment archive, she has been proven to have MANY sock puppets, and was eventually canned from Wiki.

This is a lady who claims to make 70 million a year.

Yes, yes Im sure she does.

/sarcasm ...added at 07:55, 27 May 2006 by 65.184.17.216

If the above is true, you clearly have hugely more interest in Stephanie Adams than I do.

You make one surprising claim: that Adams wasn't a playmate of the month. This is incompatible with what's written on this article. That's very surprising, as that's the kind of article (dealing as it does with commercialized softcore porn) that we can expect to have been edited assiduously. Please either (a) explain this misunderstanding on the talk page of that article or (b) retract your claim.

Also, please sign your comments. This is easy: "~~~~". Thanks. -- Hoary 08:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It is evident that 65.184.17.216 has zippo credibility and has an established track record for harrassing other users, making false claims to be friends with Jimbo, making idle threats of being able to ban other users AND admins. At what point does WikiPedia find permabanning an IP the only responsible thing to do? Stephanie Adams, by the way, was undoubtedly a Playmate of the Month from Nov. 1992. Cumberbund 20:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm well aware that the IP has made various bizarre statements about other users (Wales included). I haven't encouraged these but I have mostly ignored them. I also have good reason to think that Adams was a playmate, and indeed the IP confirmed this on the talk page of that article shortly after denying it here. These oddities aside, I haven't been worried by what I've noticed of the conduct of this IP. Amid all the bluster, he has (rather windily) made an interesting point: that Adams's "books" aren't actually books. I've tried to investigate this claim, that's all. -- Hoary 23:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Eugene Richards

No problem with POV on talk pages. So if you have the passion, why don't you start the article with a stub at least and then the name can go on the name space page of photographers? Doc 14:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Elvis Presley and User:Onefortyone

I am wondering if it is time to invoke this remedy. What do you think? Jkelly 01:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It was stuff like this. But there now seems to be some sort of collaboration being hammered out on the Talk page, so I'm less inclined to fuss now. Jkelly 03:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hoary, you made a great point about the opening to the Elvis article. I'd like to see your version of last we put together. I'm using the Louis Armstrong article as a model, and would like to see this page become a candidate for a featured article in August around his passing anniversary; if we can hammer out an acceptable article in length and content - like the Armstrong one. Hopefully Onefortyone will collaborate with this effort, I've been trying to get him to do this all along, and requested page protection until we hammer out the best article - section by section. The AOL user is quite annoying - not sure why he doesn't get an user account and contribute rather than disrupt. I welcome any criticism of myself, as I might have become a little abrasive with Onefortyone after reading his past history with celebrity pages; and any criticism of my edits - the most important task in my book, is to get a NPOV, balanced encyclopedic article done, that can be featured. --Northmeister 02:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think Onefortyone isn't interested in working straight, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems he works in circles and in a confusing manner - per the opening where he wrote a pretty good one, I then improved the ending a bit, you offered comment on that, I agreed that it needed work (take out icon, etc.) he then eradicates his good version down to nothing as somehow all that information was wrong because it is "fan stuff." I concur with your comments about his music style in the opening or music...as mentioned above, if you take the last good version I edited on the talk page and edit it yourself to include some material on the music, replace icon with better wording, then we can have a good opening. I proposed a first section as well, that I would welcome input on improvement to. Thanks. --Northmeister 03:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)