Talk:Kenneth Lay

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A curriculum vitae should contain only positive events that enhance someone's possibility of securing a new job. There are entries in Lay's "C.V." that clearly go against the definition. Perhaps change the title to "biographical timeline" or remove the negative events. 67.80.122.91 16:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC) " "Kenneth Lay learned favor-trading and influence peddling in the early ‘70s as a federal energy regulator. By the Reagan administration, when energy was deregulated, Kenneth Lay was already an energy company executive and he took advantage of the new climate by merging Houston Natural Gas Co. with Nebraska-based Inter-North"

How is this NPOV? Who is to say where Kenneth Lay "learned influence peddling"? This is not proven and merely someone subjective POV. It should be removed. Abacab 21:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Expand

This article needs to be expanded, a lot of the negative things are being deleted because they're not sourced. --Awiseman 15:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Bush relationship

Lay's relationship to the President and to Republican campaign finance is well-established, as is Bush's 'Kenny Boy' nickname. This is highly encyclopedic material. Please don't delete. Sandover 22:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

current event tag

Is this still a current event? The verdict is in, nothing is happening til sentencing, at which point the article will need a small update. Some of the article background still needs to be filled in, but that's about documenting events of the past, not current happenings. Maybe the current event tag should be removed. Phr (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Beta Theta Pi dispute

There is currently a dispute over the following trivia item:

• Lay recruited fellow Beta Theta Pi fraternity brother Jeffrey Skilling to work at Enron.

Rather than continue to edit war, let's discuss the item here and try to come to some sort of consensus. -- MisterHand 15:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• Lay recruited Skilling. That can be verified. No problem there. However, no one has been able to verify that their happening to belong to the same named fraternity (although at completely different times and at completely different schools) had anything to do with the recruitment. The two shared many things in common that aren't mentioned because they are not relevant to the situation. They both have worn suits yet there is no mention that Lay recruited fellow suit-wearer Skilling. They both drink liquids and eat food yet there is no mention of this. Why? Because it is not important. If someone can show that the membership in the same named fraternity had anything to do with it then fine. If not, then it doesn't belong. Rrude 15:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• Just state the facts and leave personal opinions out of it. All we know is that (1) they are both members of the same fraternity, and (2) Lay recruited Skilling. Undoubtedly, Lay probably hired Skilling for a whole host of reasons, i.e. (1) Skilling's work at McKinsey, (2) Skilling's supposed knowledge of the gas industry, (3) Skilling's ability to get along with Lay and other senior Enron management, and, who knows, maybe that they were both members of Beta Theta Pi was sort of like the icing on the cake. We don't know. Therefore, keep speculation out of Wikipedia. Just state the bare facts and nothing else. Let a member of the public or a reporter investigate this coincidence further if they wish. But keep personal opinion and biases out of Wikipedia.
• Then omit this preducial fact. It is you that's trying to impose a personal opinion. Wahkeenah 09:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• No, omit prejudicial OPINIONS, but just keep the facts. Nothing more than the facts. Your problem is that you don't like the facts. I understand this, but you shouldn't be trying to impose a personal opinion. The facts are the facts.
• "Stating this fact" is your attempt to impose your personal opinion and compel people to draw inferences. You have already stated as much in your earlier comments. I would just like to know why you feel this is so important to bring up. Wahkeenah 10:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Who Wrote This?

[Comment removed by GChriss 22:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)] I'm taking this out immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.171.111 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Death

Heart attack, not suicide. 69.17.67.11 14:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC) <- Heart Attack reported by Fox / MSNBC. Only info from CNN is admission to hospital with massive coronary.

July 5th or July 4th? <- July 5th by all news accounts (Early Wednesday)