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:::[[User:نان|نان]] Sure, I can elaborate. Paid stooges of the Iranian theocracy are certainly very disruptive to Wikipedia. They are the sort of editors who are fanatical and aim to disrupt the content, tone and balance of articles so that there is a pro-Iranian slant on articles relating to politics and religion. These are the very editors who aim to inject polemic material into Wikipedia. Therefore I am at a loss as to why you have put this up for deletion because the paragraph in question tries to raise awareness about a category of editors who disrupt the Wiki with polemic material. [[User:Mbcap|Mbcap]] ([[User talk:Mbcap|talk]]) 18:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC) |
:::[[User:نان|نان]] Sure, I can elaborate. Paid stooges of the Iranian theocracy are certainly very disruptive to Wikipedia. They are the sort of editors who are fanatical and aim to disrupt the content, tone and balance of articles so that there is a pro-Iranian slant on articles relating to politics and religion. These are the very editors who aim to inject polemic material into Wikipedia. Therefore I am at a loss as to why you have put this up for deletion because the paragraph in question tries to raise awareness about a category of editors who disrupt the Wiki with polemic material. [[User:Mbcap|Mbcap]] ([[User talk:Mbcap|talk]]) 18:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC) |
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::::Dear {{ping|Mbcap}}! Awareness about who? how can one understand that an editor is a member of that category? Even if we suppose there are some such editors, we should also consider that there are many many fanatical editor out there, so do we have to shout that with polemical statements and tag them with inappropriate qualities and attack them? I think raising the awareness is not a suitable justification because one may do that in a more polite manner. [[User:Mhhossein|Mhhossein]] ([[User talk:Mhhossein|talk]]) 01:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC) |
::::Dear {{ping|Mbcap}}! Awareness about who? how can one understand that an editor is a member of that category? Even if we suppose there are some such editors, we should also consider that there are many many fanatical editor out there, so do we have to shout that with polemical statements and tag them with inappropriate qualities and attack them? I think raising the awareness is not a suitable justification because one may do that in a more polite manner. [[User:Mhhossein|Mhhossein]] ([[User talk:Mhhossein|talk]]) 01:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::If there is a "more polite" way to raise awareness about the tendentious editing due to you and other Khamenei supporters, you should go ahead and do it. I look forward to your efforts in that area.--[[User:Anders Feder|Anders Feder]] ([[User talk:Anders Feder|talk]]) 14:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC) |
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The page contains polemic materials and hence should be deleted. نان (talk) 13:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Page doesn't fall under WP:POLEMIC as it doesn't try to name and shame any specific editors. The polemical statements within are directly related to improving Wikipedia. Bosstopher (talk) 03:56, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Bosstopher: So there are some polemical statements! In what way are they "directly related to improving Wikipedia". How about those which attack some editors and/or entities such as "the Muslim", "The Iranian"? نان (talk) 11:39, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Polemical statements are allowed so long as they directly relate to wikipedia and improving it. I would agree with you if Anders was attacking all Muslims or all Iranians as bad editors, but that's not what he's doing at all. He's not naming any specific editors. Though I must admit the thing about them putting fingers in their ears and doing an ululation is a very tasteless ethnic stereotype jokeand something Anders should remove. (@Anders Feder: Pinging to make you aware of the request) Bosstopher (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree. What is tasteless is the skewed editing, not in some obscure user page, but in dozens of mainspace articles due to User:نان/Mhhossein and his close collaborator User:Srahmadi[1]/User:AliAkar[2]/User:M.Sakhaie[3]/etc.--Anders Feder (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Bosstopher: Another personal attack by Anders Feder which I would not say and is not related to our discussion subject. Any way, thanks, although the page needs more attention. Mhhossein (talk) 14:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree. What is tasteless is the skewed editing, not in some obscure user page, but in dozens of mainspace articles due to User:نان/Mhhossein and his close collaborator User:Srahmadi[1]/User:AliAkar[2]/User:M.Sakhaie[3]/etc.--Anders Feder (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- Polemical statements are allowed so long as they directly relate to wikipedia and improving it. I would agree with you if Anders was attacking all Muslims or all Iranians as bad editors, but that's not what he's doing at all. He's not naming any specific editors. Though I must admit the thing about them putting fingers in their ears and doing an ululation is a very tasteless ethnic stereotype jokeand something Anders should remove. (@Anders Feder: Pinging to make you aware of the request) Bosstopher (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - This should be kept. It is clearly aimed at Wikipedia and it is for the purposes of improving articles. Mbcap (talk) 02:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Mbcap: Could you please say how these attacks may 'clearly' help to improve Wikipedia? نان (talk) 13:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
- نان Sure, I can elaborate. Paid stooges of the Iranian theocracy are certainly very disruptive to Wikipedia. They are the sort of editors who are fanatical and aim to disrupt the content, tone and balance of articles so that there is a pro-Iranian slant on articles relating to politics and religion. These are the very editors who aim to inject polemic material into Wikipedia. Therefore I am at a loss as to why you have put this up for deletion because the paragraph in question tries to raise awareness about a category of editors who disrupt the Wiki with polemic material. Mbcap (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- Dear @Mbcap:! Awareness about who? how can one understand that an editor is a member of that category? Even if we suppose there are some such editors, we should also consider that there are many many fanatical editor out there, so do we have to shout that with polemical statements and tag them with inappropriate qualities and attack them? I think raising the awareness is not a suitable justification because one may do that in a more polite manner. Mhhossein (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- If there is a "more polite" way to raise awareness about the tendentious editing due to you and other Khamenei supporters, you should go ahead and do it. I look forward to your efforts in that area.--Anders Feder (talk) 14:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- Dear @Mbcap:! Awareness about who? how can one understand that an editor is a member of that category? Even if we suppose there are some such editors, we should also consider that there are many many fanatical editor out there, so do we have to shout that with polemical statements and tag them with inappropriate qualities and attack them? I think raising the awareness is not a suitable justification because one may do that in a more polite manner. Mhhossein (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
- نان Sure, I can elaborate. Paid stooges of the Iranian theocracy are certainly very disruptive to Wikipedia. They are the sort of editors who are fanatical and aim to disrupt the content, tone and balance of articles so that there is a pro-Iranian slant on articles relating to politics and religion. These are the very editors who aim to inject polemic material into Wikipedia. Therefore I am at a loss as to why you have put this up for deletion because the paragraph in question tries to raise awareness about a category of editors who disrupt the Wiki with polemic material. Mbcap (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Bosstopher: So there are some polemical statements! In what way are they "directly related to improving Wikipedia". How about those which attack some editors and/or entities such as "the Muslim", "The Iranian"? نان (talk) 11:39, 20 June 2015 (UTC)